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[hech54]

Some might call it obsessive, it's almost like you need to justify to everyone on the planet why you choose a MAC sometimes pal.

Naw, not obsessive, just fun :P

But why I chose my Mac? Because I though it would be cool to have, nothing more, nothing less. I knew nothing about them when I got mine. In fact it was the first time I had used one.

Is every MAC user like this?

Not all, but a lot. Years of others telling us that Macs suck have made us defensive

I'll never forget my first (and last) Mac experience. It was in CompUSA. Myself and some silly guy all dressed up in a suit and tie were playing with the latest(at the time) Mac....I remember him saying "What the hell is this thing doing?" and laughing the whole time...so I guess he was a PC user like me because I was thinking the same thing...
I would love to by a Mac and have one PC and one Mac....just can't bring myself to fork out the money for one.....after all...I am no rocket scientist when it comes to PC's and I've been using them all of my life.

[tgpo]

Mac

http://www.wiredvideo.com/clips/#applegamer

WHy are these anti-apple videos always in a crappy format

[The village idiot]

Mac

http://www.wiredvideo.com/clips/#applegamer

WHy are these anti-apple videos always in a crappy format

Because most people are too stupid to use mpeg or quicktime for web work. Mostly because they are stupid, but some are just inconsiderate bastards and don't care if anyone except windoze users can see the video.

[tgpo]

Because most people are too stupid to use mpeg or quicktime for web work. Mostly because they are stupid, but some are just inconsiderate bastards and don't care if anyone except windoze users can see the video.

Amen brother

[MrMungus]

Mac

http://www.wiredvideo.com/clips/#applegamer

WHy are these anti-apple videos always in a crappy format

Because most people are too stupid to use mpeg or quicktime for web work. Mostly because they are stupid, but some are just inconsiderate bastards and don't care if anyone except windoze users can see the video.

1. Quicktime sucks and is a pain in the ass.

2. Most people have the Windows Media Player which does not play quicktime.

3. MPEG is bigger than WMV.

4. You can use the Windows Media Player on a Mac if you know how to operate it properly.

5. Only 5% of computer users use Macs; not cost-effective to serve the misguided 5%.

[tgpo]

1. Quicktime sucks and is a pain in the ass.

Actually I've heard QT for the PC does suck, but it rules on the Mac. I was actually thinking the same thing about WMP.

2. Most people have the Windows Media Player which does not play quicktime.

You're right. Most crappy programs can't play superior formats.

3. MPEG is bigger than WMV.

Very true.

4. You can use the Windows Media Player on a Mac if you know how to operate it properly.

Like QT for the PC, WMP for the mac blows

5. Only 5% of computer users use Macs; not cost-effective to serve the misguided 5%.

So why not use something like Divx. I believe WMP on Windows will open it and QT for the Mac will, thus it would be the best choice.

Just my 2 cents

[MrMungus]

1. Quicktime sucks and is a pain in the ass.

Actually I've heard QT for the PC does suck, but it rules on the Mac. I was actually thinking the same thing about WMP.

2. Most people have the Windows Media Player which does not play quicktime.

You're right. Most crappy programs can't play superior formats.

3. MPEG is bigger than WMV.

Very true.

4. You can use the Windows Media Player on a Mac if you know how to operate it properly.

Like QT for the PC, WMP for the mac blows

5. Only 5% of computer users use Macs; not cost-effective to serve the misguided 5%.

So why not use something like Divx. I believe WMP on Windows will open it and QT for the Mac will, thus it would be the best choice.

Just my 2 cents

Because people will use whatever is easiest and cheapest. Currently, the easiest and cheapest thing to use is Windows Media format. That's life.

I personally don't understand why people use Macs. I just don't see what the advantages are.

[Capmaster]

5. Only 5% of computer users use Macs; not cost-effective to serve the misguided 5%.

[tgpo]

I personally don't understand why people use Macs. I just don't see what the advantages are.

I don't see why people use PCs. I see no advantages for them.

It's all personal preferences.

[housepig]

I don't see why people use PCs. I see no advantages for them.

because for the price of a Mac, I can build 2 pc's. If hardware in one of those pc's fails, I can go to almost any brick & mortar computer store and buy a replacement part.

[Capmaster]

The Jobs/Wozniak pair was responsible for the Mac never achieving a larger market share. During the explosion of IBM-compatible clones Apple held firm and wouldn't license other companies to produce hardware ...they wanted all the business. The IBM-compatibles screamed into first place and have been there since because there was competition which drove down prices. The Macs have only recently become price-competitive with PCs. And making over-inflated performance claims has also hurt Apple. They did it with the PowerPC and again more recently with the G5 ("Fastest Personal Computer")in their massive TV ad campaign in spite of the proof that the single-CPU Athlon 64 FX-51 blew the single-CPU G5 into the weeds and even edged out the dual-CPU G5:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112749,pg,7,00.asp

and the performance chart:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112749,pg,8,00.asp

This article appeared on page 34 of the Nov. 2003 PC World which, by the way, also publishes Mac World

[The village idiot]

Quicktime on my PC's always works great! Better than windows only files. There is also just plain being considerate for other users. Really should use mpeg, then all platforms can play it! Yes it is bigger, but if you download a smaller file and it does not work at all, what have you gained from the smaller file?

[MrMungus]

I personally don't understand why people use Macs. I just don't see what the advantages are.

I don't see why people use PCs. I see no advantages for them.

It's all personal preferences.

There are plenty of advantages.

They're cheaper, there's more software, software comes out for PCs before it comes out for Macs (if it ever comes out for Macs), more vendors to choose computer hardware from, more options in operating systems, and a much larger installed userbase from which to get information.

What are the advantages to using a Mac?

[MrMungus]

Quicktime on my PC's always works great! Better than windows only files. There is also just plain being considerate for other users. Really should use mpeg, then all platforms can play it! Yes it is bigger, but if you download a smaller file and it does not work at all, what have you gained from the smaller file?

If WMV works for most people and doesn't work for you, the problem is probably with you.

It's a question of cost-effectiveness. Watch what happens to Real Networks as Windows Media gains more and more market share. Windows Media is so much better in so many ways for those who are producing, hosting, and serving audio and video content.

[tgpo]

They're cheaper

Subjective

there's more software

Quality over quantity

software comes out for PCs before it comes out for Macs (if it ever comes out for Macs)

Stereotype. btw, when will DVD Studio Pro and Final Cut Pro be released for the PC?

more vendors to choose computer hardware from

Apple is a hardware company, thus when I buy an Apple computer I get what comes with it.

more options in operating systems

LOL!!!! You can have your Windows options, most flavors of Unix work on a PPC chipset.

and a much larger installed userbase from which to get information.

I have plenty of places which to get information, this site included.

You're advantages just don't stack up to me.

What are the advantages to using a Mac?

Again, it is all personal preference.

I had and used a PC for 12 years, until I got my Mac and I'll never buy another PC. My Mac is more stable than my PC ever was. My Mac works better than my PC ever did. Most important I enjoy my Mac more than I ever enjoyed my PC. I feel like the mac community is like a close knit group of users. We can relate to each other more, and I enjoy that.

Lets put it this way. I love my Mac and Hate PCs.

You love your PC and Hate Macs.

Fine, we agree to hate each other's computers

PS. Don't forget the ole' one button mouse complaint. You don't want to miss hitting me with that one.

[Capmaster]

This is always a hot debate whenever it comes up ...like religion, politics or rock and roll. The Mac is stronger in some areas, the PC in others. There is a good argument that Macs play games better than the PC, but the PC has an insurmountable lead in gaming ...it isn't even close, and while that seems unfair, the market determines what succeeds and it isn't always the best choice. Look at Beta vs. VHS I'm personally waiting for MorphOS to get closer to mainstream and see if it becomes a clinker like Linux or BeOS or whether it'll be a real contender because without popular support it doesn't matter how good something is ....it'll fade real fast (cough ....cough ....CP/M .....cough ....cough)

[MrMungus]

You love your PC and Hate Macs.

I never said that. I'm just trying to understand why someone would buy a Mac when they seem to be a more expensive product that does the same thing a cheaper product does.

hrug:

[tgpo]

My Mac was $900 at the time. Seems like the standard PC price to me.

Thus far the only money I've had to invest in it was a new power supply because lightning got my original one.

I've had it for 4 years now and never had a problem. It has been worth the money.

[housepig]

more vendors to choose computer hardware from

Apple is a hardware company, thus when I buy an Apple computer I get what comes with it.

This is true - and if your motherboard or processor tanks on you, you will have to go back to Apple and pay whatever price they deem fit to charge you to replace it.

by contrast, if my motherboard or processor gets struck by lightning, I can go and take my pick of several competing manufacturers... or I could take all my other hardware and switch mobo/processor entirely (from AMD to Intel, let's say) and my other hardware will integrate with no problems.

as for not freezing or crashing on you, that's wonderful - my view of Macs is tainted from working on a G4 at work, and watching it crash (and need a hard reboot) 10 times in the space of an hour, trying to open a Pagemaker document off a cd... which I finally opened on a WinXP box, after the 10th crash.

[indolikaa]

@MrMungus,

I'd buy the most powerful G5 made by Apple in a heartbeat. And the cinema widescreen LCD screen to go with it. In fact, there's only one reason why I didn't do it...

http://www.overlandmodels.com/models/ho_pa/087010019_1_650.jpg

...and one has to have their priorities in order!

But the next time around, I'll get the Mac. No question about it.

[The village idiot]

We have a couple of the normal aspect Apple LCD displays at work... I must say that they are nice! The case design on the blue/white G3 and G4 models make service really easy. I don't really like the outside shape, but once you open the cover, you see how nice it is inside.

And before you label me as just another Mac zealot, you best be looking at my computer specs. At least I can see the value of both sides.

[Capmaster]

I admire Mac users' loyalty. They stick by their platform. At work our LAN is made up of at least 95% PCs, we all run XP Pro SP1 ...except for a handful of Mac users who got hooked on them back in academia where they seem to be more common. Trying to maintain Mac functionality with the PC-centric environment with its servers, active directory structure, SecureID servers and app servers, they're shoveling shit against the tide. But they don't often complain and stick with their "unconventional" platforms. Ya gotta like that

[Capmaster]

bumpety bump

[Cobra]

I admire Mac users' loyalty. They stick by their platform.

I used to be a Mac user. I was loyal to the MacOS - it was and still is a thing of beauty. I will buy a Mac again when I get some money, but I will also have a PC. After being forced to use one at home, I realised that they aren't so bad. I was turned to the Dark Side.

Look at me now. I build them on a regular basis, and I own a PC personally now. I got mine for a grand total of about £700 - I couldn't get a Mac for that, much as I'd like to.

Once I have a job and money, I'll have the latest PC and the latest Mac sitting side-by-side on my desk.

[Capmaster]

Are you sure being that close they won't destroy each other in a giant explosion, like matter and anti-matter? Wait ..oops, this is Cobra I'm discussing explosions and fire with ....never mind

[DVD_Ripper]

Funny... in the early eighties I sold computers for a MicroAge affliate in the Louisiana. During my tenure there I sold a million dollars of DOS based machines each year and one mac. (and that one may have been returned) ... Even though it had the better GUI I think people were drawn to the PC's due to the "Charlie Chaplin" effect.

[Hardcoreruss]

Whats the Charlie Chaplin effect?

[Capmaster]

Whats the Charlie Chaplin effect?

Maybe a reference to the old IBM PC commercial that had a Charlie Chaplin lookalike?

[DVD_Ripper]

Whats the Charlie Chaplin effect?

Maybe a reference to the old IBM PC commercial that had a Charlie Chaplin lookalike?

During the early eighties IBM spent a fortune on the IBM PC commercials selling oem'ed versions of PFS Write, Report and some others. They blew Mac out of the water regarding dollars spent for advertising. And Charlie Chaplin led the way for them in the those early commercials.

I made some good money back then. An IBM PC XT (8088, no copro) with a Mono monitor, dual floppy and 640K of RAM (with add on AST '6 pack plus' card) was about $2200.00... Sold a ton of 'em .... scary amount of money for even back then.

[Capmaster]

I've bought a few 8087 copro's, AST Six Pack boards, Vic-20 8 MHz CPU daughterboards and $500 20MB hard disks in my time

Geez I'm old .....