this is serious stuff

[luvvbuzz]

last i heard -- there are still banks that will give you a free gun when you buy a GIC for a long enough term ...

some petty nice ones also --

that sure isnt in canada though




(maybe somewhere is alberta)

thats ridiculous why would a bank offer you a gun? i see no valid connection between taking a bank account and a gift of a gun, i mean i could understand if they were giving you a free electronic calculator but a gun? come on what sort of bank does that? and what do they think they will gain from doing that?

[BJ_M]

customers! ....

keep in mind these are 1000$ on up (i recall a $5000 over-under as one) ...

[BJ_M]

michigan is one place:

January 28, 2001, SUNDAY, Late Sports Final Edition

SECTION: FINANCIAL; Pg. 43
LENGTH: 537 words
HEADLINE: Banks use gifts to target depositors
SOURCE: Bloomberg News
BYLINE: BY MICHEAL NOL
DATELINE:TRAVERSE CITY, Mich.

BODY:
Open a bank account, get a gun.

North Country Financial Corp. is exchanging firearms for deposits, giving away rifles and shotguns in lieu of the interest that normally accompanies accounts.

Put as little as $ 869 in a 20-year certificate of deposit, and the Traverse City-based bank will hand over a Weatherby Inc. Mark V Synthetic rifle that lists for $ 779. Deposit more, and you have a choice of six Weatherby shotguns or a limited-edition rifle.

The bank has 28 branches, mostly in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and the guns-for-CDs program is a potent weapon in the fight for Americans' savings at a time of shrinking bank deposits.

Banks across the country are offering everything from $ 50 gift certificates and books to casserole dishes and clocks to lure back customers and stem a seven-year decline in deposits as Americans shifted money into stocks and mutual funds.

U.S. time deposits, including CDs, totaled about $ 1.05 trillion at the end of last year, down from $ 1.17 trillion in 1990, according to the Federal Reserve. In the decade, assets in mutual funds surged to $ 6.82 trillion at the end of November from $ 1.07 trillion at the end of 1990, the Investment Company Institute said.

Offering freebies for deposits gives banks "a way to get the customer in front of us," says Ken Lewis, president and chief operating officer of Charlotte-based Bank of America Corp., which has more deposits than any other U.S. bank. Getting customers back in the door "gives us an opportunity to sell other products as well," he said.

North Country's arrangement with Weatherby in Atascadero, Calif., is the brainchild of Ronald G. Ford, the bank's chairman and chief executive.

"It's a high-end product that fits the lifestyle here," Ford said.

Ford, who owns seven Weatherby rifles and shotguns, hunts black bear and white-tailed deer in Michigan -- and elk and mule deer in Colorado, pheasant in the Dakotas and moose in Canada.

North Country started offering the Weatherbys more than 10 years ago and displays the guns on its branches' walls. In the Upper Peninsula, where some schools close for the start of hunting season in November, guns on the walls don't necessarily raise eyebrows.

The program has brought in millions of dollars of deposits from customers in every U.S. state, said Rose Garvin, a North Country Bank & Trust manager and federal firearms license holder. It eventually led to other giveaways, such as grandfather clocks and golf clubs, but guns are still the most popular.

North Country advertises its CDs in hunting and gun-enthusiast magazines, attracting hunters and collectors. Its costliest giveaway, available with a $ 14,911 deposit in a three-year CD, is Weatherby's Athena Grade V Classic Field 12-gauge shotgun. It comes with oil-finished stock and rose and scroll engravings on the side plate and carries a suggested retail price of $ 2,919.

The same $ 14,911 deposit in an average three-year account paying 5.48 percent interest yields $ 2,588 at the end of the term, $ 331 less than the price of the gun.

By contrast, $ 869 placed in a CD at that same rate for 20 years returns $ 1,656 of interest, more than double the price of the $ 779 Mark V Synthetic.

[pacmania_2001]

And it's reasons like that we think Americans are crazy.

[BJ_M]

And it's reasons like that we think Americans are crazy.

well i grew up in michigan and don't see anything wrong with it ..

of course untill you have driven up US23 and see all the gun advertising billboards and every gas station advertising GAS , BEER , AMMO do you really get a feel for parts of michigan ...

i also got time off at school (and credits) for deer hunting season -- in fact one of my teachers was in our group ...

just a different way of life....

[gmatov]

BJ_M,

Well spoken. Do you make it back for deer season?

Hard to understand the attitude of our British cousins.

Subjugation by royalty, uprising, signing of their Magna Carta, 1900 anyone could legally go armed with any weapon one wanted, even after release from prison, and shortly after, you should not be allowed "this" type of arm, but all others are OK, then "this" type, till all are gone, and WE'RE crazy?

Most of Europe and Asia only the rich and royalty ever had rights to arms.

Ah, well, 'nough of that.

As to a firearm as interest, you do get it NOW, instead of waiting for the interest to accrue, by which time the price will have skyrocketed.

Hell, I'd like to have an account for which they would give me cash now for the 20 year accrual.. Or, imagine a 100 year GIC, 5 grand, 50 or more cash up front, maybe open a couple more, retire now. Whoopeee!

Cheers,

George

edit; we're a little off oil, now, aren't we?

[BJ_M]

you get them right away after the 10 day wait ...



as for hunting in mich. -- i go to my cottage there sometimes for hunting but ussually its deer and moose in ontario ...

anyone want to join up this fall -- ill take deer hunting in ontario ..

deer here are huge 200lbs++ beasts -- not the little runty things like in texas or the ones in michigan or PA or NY (PA rocks) ....

there are deer , moose, wolves, bear, etc. all right around where i live... in fact a lot of wolves .. friends of mine have some wolves as pets (they make terrible pets) ...

[gmatov]

BJ,

Man, I'd love to come up for deer, moose would be too much meat for me.

I've fished in Ontario, never hunted.

10 days? We have the Instant Background Check, you have a clean record, carry it out. Not the crap they used to when a poor woman needed defense against an abusive ex- or boyfriend and died while she was on the 10 day wait.

Ah, well, better a hundred die than to have one no-good slip by.

" Mister and Mrs. America, turn them all in!" Isn't that what they said in Australia?

OOPS!!!

Sorry,

George

Back to oil, they now think maybe it was not a whole bunch of dinosaurs that rendered themselves to provide us with the means of locomotion. They actually don't know where oil does come from. What they DO know, is that depleted fields have more oil there, now, and it is not superior extraction methods..

Cheers,

George

[BJ_M]

i thought there was a 10 day wait in usa now --- if im wrong, sorry (last gun i bought in usa was a mini30 -- that was a few years ago... i walked right out of sporting good store with it -- but i had to go back in and buy ammo as you can not buy a gun and ammo and check out together...)

I touched on the "where does oil come from?" in this post https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=839755#839755

though it also may of come from those little silica buggers that lived for 100million years then disapeared ... they were basicly living sand ...

didnt come from dino and clan for sure though ...

[Capmaster]

And it's reasons like that we think Americans are crazy.

It's crazy if you happen to believe that guns are inherently evil - an attitude adopted by our European, Canadian and Aussie cousins' governments ...and some of our own states here. There are far more law-abiding citizens in this country than criminals and if you offer guns to the "good folks" you're actually fighting crime. If you were a bad guy would you break into a house if you knew the owner had a 12-gauge? Just my opinion, FWIW.

[pacmania_2001]

It's crazy if you happen to believe that guns are inherently evil - an attitude adopted by our European, Canadian and Aussie cousins' governments ...and some of our own states here.

I don't think guns are inherently evil as such, they just have limited uses for things like hunting and maybe sports. In cases when not in use the gun should be stored unloaded, in a gun safe.

There are far more law-abiding citizens in this country than criminals and if you offer guns to the "good folks" you're actually fighting crime. If you were a bad guy would you break into a house if you knew the owner had a 12-gauge? Just my opinion, FWIW.

Why not address the problem of crime at its source? America spends billions on its military yet from what I understand (personal experiences/news articles/books) your education, medical and social welfare systems are some of the worst in the developed world.

As for use as a protection method that arguement is some what moot.

If you want them so you're protected just in case WWIII breaks out then you're an idiot, I'm not even going to bother listing my arguements for that.

[luvvbuzz]

since we are no longer talking about the shortage of oil anymore and we have drifted into the area of guns (is there a connection there?) then here is a case from the uk which is very controversial and has been debated many times since it happened http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/3009769.stm
mr tony martin shot some guys burgling his house and was sent to prison. some people said he was doing only what other people felt like doing (does that give him the right?) and he should not have been sent to prison. and some say tony martin was an eccentric with an unpredictable nature. its a very unusual case and the satnce in the uk is very anti gun. i know i certainly wouldnt want a gun in my house, and i do not know anybody who owns a gun. i know gun crime here in london and other uk cities is on the up though.

[luvvbuzz]

The parole board, however, has continually refused him early release - saying he has shown no remorse and would continue to pose a danger to any other burglars

lmfao i just think that bit is so pathetic that its funny!

[Capmaster]

It's crazy if you happen to believe that guns are inherently evil - an attitude adopted by our European, Canadian and Aussie cousins' governments ...and some of our own states here.

I don't think guns are inherently evil as such, they just have limited uses for things like hunting and maybe sports. In cases when not in use the gun should be stored unloaded, in a gun safe.

There are far more law-abiding citizens in this country than criminals and if you offer guns to the "good folks" you're actually fighting crime. If you were a bad guy would you break into a house if you knew the owner had a 12-gauge? Just my opinion, FWIW.

Why not address the problem of crime at its source? America spends billions on its military yet from what I understand (personal experiences/news articles/books) your education, medical and social welfare systems are some of the worst in the developed world.

As for use as a protection method that arguement is some what moot.

If you want them so you're protected just in case WWIII breaks out then you're an idiot, I'm not even going to bother listing my arguements for that.

This isn't the first time I can't even post an opinion without getting called names, even with a "FWIW" at the end to qualify it. This board should stick to DVD topics if you folks aren't relaxed enough discuss serious issues intelligently without getting your panties bunched. Life's too short and I'm outta here for good ...enjoy your forum

[pacmania_2001]

This isn't the first time I can't even post an opinion without getting called names, even with a "FWIW" at the end to qualify it. This board should stick to DVD topics if you folks aren't relaxed enough discuss serious issues intelligently without getting your panties bunched. Life's too short and I'm outta here for good ...enjoy your forum

Uh...say what?

Wasn't calling you a name or attacking you, just listing my side. Well I did call anyone who thinks WWIII is going to break out an idiot but that was directed at another member.

[BJ_M]

refering to this post https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=844538#844538

that is just so nutz .... i fear it's the same way in canada though ..

i am allowed to own guns -- but not allowed to use them for personal protection -- except in the most extreme situations .. and you would prob. still charged for unsafe storage of a firearm if they proved you had easy access when you shot someone in the proccess of killing your family (at least one already shot) .... though if you could prove you were just cleaning your gun at the time and happened to be re-loading at the same time as this person was shooting your family -- you might be in the clear ..
depends where in canada you lived ... makes a big diff.

but you are not allowed to use gun if they have knife sort of attitude is common ..

of course in canada this situaltion rarely comes up -- except in toronto lately there have been a LOT of shootings -- not with legal guns though ..

the gun registry here is a joke -- don't even get me started on that one ..


guns and oil always are a mix .... in off topic -- its fair game ..

[luvvbuzz]

yeehaw, praise the lord!

[Capmaster]

This isn't the first time I can't even post an opinion without getting called names, even with a "FWIW" at the end to qualify it. This board should stick to DVD topics if you folks aren't relaxed enough discuss serious issues intelligently without getting your panties bunched. Life's too short and I'm outta here for good ...enjoy your forum

Uh...say what?

Wasn't calling you a name or attacking you, just listing my side. Well I did call anyone who thinks WWIII is going to break out an idiot but that was directed at another member.

Sorry about that pacmania. I'm on the rag today ...one of those rare days. I should know better that interact with other humans in that state of mind. I just need some down time ....

[pacmania_2001]

No problems.

I had a day like that last week and was so close to snapping at my top manager at work.

[Capmaster]

No problems.

8)

and you would prob. still charged for unsafe storage of a firearm if they proved you had easy access when you shot someone in the proccess of killing your family (at least one already shot) .... though if you could prove you were just cleaning your gun at the time and happened to be re-loading at the same time as this person was shooting your family -- you might be in the clear ..
depends where in canada you lived ... makes a big diff.

We've got the same in the states. In places like Taxachusetts you must leave your house if someone breaks in. Forget about defending your home. On the other hand, in many states like Florida, Oregon, New Mexico, etc. concealed-carry is permitted with the proper permit. The permits are expensive and require an extensive background check and a long wait. But if you are caught with a CW without a permit it's only a misdemeanor and wouldn't involve any jail time ...only a small fine. I've been in some really seedy areas where that's a risk worth taking.

[Tiny71]

i know i certainly wouldnt want a gun in my house, and i do not know anybody who owns a gun. i know gun crime here in london and other uk cities is on the up though.

That is one reason why.

It has been documented so many times, that when gun ownership drops-crime goes up.

I volunteer at a booking house every so often, and I get to talk to criminals that are waiting to be jailed....and everytime I ask them about gun ownership for citezens.....and every time they are against it.

It is just common sence.

I firmly believe in personal gun ownership....in fact I own 13 weapons. Most are for hunting(a combo of shotguns, rifles, and blackpowder guns), but the rest are for protection, double barrel shotty upstairs and down, handgun in every car and in my bedroom and attic. And a few that no one knows I have, couple of WWI and WW2 working rifles.

I will always get as many NONregistered guns that I can, since I know the USA is wanting to pull a UK, and make registration mandatory---just to make the rounds later on and yanking them away.

Oh and to go back on topic:

I encourage as many people as possible to freak out over the suspected oil shortage, it will lead to people limiting there consumption and others will buy cars that don't use oil(or whatever the kick is now), wich will all lead to me using as much as I can and want. Hell I may even go get some gas just to poor down the storm drains, or spell something out on my treehugger of a neighbor's lawn. :P

[luvvbuzz]

i know i certainly wouldnt want a gun in my house, and i do not know anybody who owns a gun. i know gun crime here in london and other uk cities is on the up though.

That is one reason why.

It has been documented so many times, that when gun ownership drops-crime goes up.

I volunteer at a booking house every so often, and I get to talk to criminals that are waiting to be jailed....and everytime I ask them about gun ownership for citezens.....and every time they are against it.

It is just common sence.

I firmly believe in personal gun ownership....in fact I own 13 weapons. Most are for hunting(a combo of shotguns, rifles, and blackpowder guns), but the rest are for protection, double barrel shotty upstairs and down, handgun in every car and in my bedroom and attic. And a few that no one knows I have, couple of WWI and WW2 working rifles.

I will always get as many NONregistered guns that I can, since I know the USA is wanting to pull a UK, and make registration mandatory---just to make the rounds later on and yanking them away.

Oh and to go back on topic:

I encourage as many people as possible to freak out over the suspected oil shortage, it will lead to people limiting there consumption and others will buy cars that don't use oil(or whatever the kick is now), wich will all lead to me using as much as I can and want. Hell I may even go get some gas just to poor down the storm drains, or spell something out on my treehugger of a neighbor's lawn. :P

yeeeehaw praise the lord!

[Baldrick]

please stick to the topic. discuss guns somewhere else.