Vertical bar in video when capturing a cable feed??

[kpoman]

I am capturing video via a cable feed with my ATI AIW 8500DV card and I get this fuzzy vertical bar on the left side of the captured material. Its only visable when I play back the video. I've attached a pic for reference. What could this be? Thanks.

[proxyx99]

It looks like a fuzzy vertical bar on the left side to me. Anybody? What does it look like to you?

[Forum Troll]

headnoise from the broadcast tape? It will be covered by the TV overscan area anyways, you won't see it.

[johns0]

Its the original way the video was broadcast and knowing overscan would cover it the broadcasters didnt care.

[kpoman]

@ Forum Troll:

I plan on converting the source to DVD so what you are saying is that this bar will not show up on my TV? Thanks.

@ proxyx99

If you are not going to part of the solution, please save your breath and quit wasting my time and the space on this server.

[proxyx99]

@kpoman, loosen up, it's just a joke.

Encode it as is and you won't see it due to overscan (TV won't show the whole picture, just like with cable you did not see it, did you?).

[indolikaa]

@ proxyx99

If you are not going to part of the solution, please save your breath and quit wasting my time and the space on this server.

Well, proxy, at least he didn't call you a thermonuclear nutcase!

Whether its head noise from the source tape or carrier subchannel information encoded into the cable transmission, overscan should prevent it from being seen.

@kpoman, loosen up,

No kidding. You don't have to check your sense of humor in at the door around here. Humorous sarcasm is acceptable.

[non-linear]

It's best to leave it in. You could mask it. if you use TMPGEnc, you can use the clip frame option, and select the left side mask option, then make the mask as wide as the bar. That way, if your DVD player doesn't render it properly, or if it's viewed on a computer, it won't look bad, since it would be a solid black bar as opposed to a distorted mess, like the example you've shown here.

[proxyx99]

@indolikaa
See, I am of the opinion that making fun of issues is OK if the situation permits it or calls for it. Makes life easier and more colorful. I ususlly don't engage in personal stuff. Beeing obnoxious is not my style, so let's keep the eyes on the ball.

[SatStorm]

@kpoman: Those are usual situations with the transmissions. I grabb from stations that you have those kind of lines on all the sides of the picture! Nothing to worry about, there are on the overscan area of your TV, so you won't see them if you encode to whatever you wish.
Also, and if you use TMPGenc, you can always crop them off, and at the same time "center" the picture. A reason to do this is that the bitrate is needed to convert those lines, gonna get in the true picture, so the overall quality of your project could be slighty better.
Personally, I always crop those "lines"

@proxyx99: You are gifted man, you are gifted! It is all that I can say!

@ indolikaa: We need to set up a post reference here, so when something interest shows on the boards, to read there where it is and start doing our terrorist attacks! Or this would be sound bully?

[kpoman]

Thanks guys, I appreciate all your help. You are all right! When I converted the source to DVD the line was gone. Ok I'll chill out. Sorry for blasten ya proxy!

[Vom]

You don't have to check your sense of humor in at the door around here. Humorous sarcasm is acceptable.

I spend most of my time on boards that are all about sarcasm and parody. It's a refreshing break to see a joke here and there....it eases the pressure on the aneurism I'm getting trying to learn the 3,287 OTHER things I didn't know about video editing/authoring/capturing/converting.



That's all I have to contribute. Sorry kpoman.

[indolikaa]

@indolikaa
See, I am of the opinion that making fun of issues is OK if the situation permits it or calls for it. Makes life easier and more colorful.

No argument here.

I ususlly don't engage in personal stuff. Beeing obnoxious is not my style so let's keep the eyes on the ball.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192525&highlight=thermonuclear+nutcase

I'll let the readers make their own decisions on that one...

Although proxy's proclomation of "After all these confessions who's going to pour the wine and devide the bread among the believers, heh...?" is one of the funniest things I've read on this forum.

Almost as good as defense's essay on using profanity with class.

@ indolikaa: We need to set up a post reference here, so when something interest shows on the boards, to read there where it is and start doing our terrorist attacks! Or this would be sound bully?

No, by all means. Let's hose 'em all down! :P

[proxyx99]

Indolikaa, it seems that you are dragging your beef everywhere I go just like a big iron ball chained to your leg. I don't think anybody is interested in your hurt feelings just like I doubt if you will get a closure you're after.
Stop posting your word by word and sentence by sentence summaries as they are boring and provocative. You must really have nothing better to do but hang out here waiting for someone's foot to slip so you can have your moment of glory. Get a life.

[SatStorm]

As I said before, you are gifted...

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204979&highlight=

Here you call me and Lordsnumf liars...


indolikaa, how you missed that?

[Forum Troll]

@ Forum Troll:

I plan on converting the source to DVD so what you are saying is that this bar will not show up on my TV? Thanks.

Yup. What you see in the margin is hidden by your TV. You won't see it at all.

[indolikaa]

As I said before, you are gifted...
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204979&highlight=
Here you call me and Lordsnumf liars...
indolikaa, how you missed that?

How DID I miss that? I'm getting rusty.

These threads present an interesting conundrum, one you obviously appreciate.

@Satstorm
Some of the countries you mentioned abandoned SECAM for PAL although I cannot provide any further details at this moment.

This is, of course, complete horseshit on many levels. Making a statement from a presumed-to-be informed position but not able to immediately back-up such a statement with hard facts. I specifically refrained from jumping right in and bitch-slapping him on this one because I didn't have hard facts readily available to dispute this, even though I believe SECAM is still widely used in Central and Eastern Europe. I could be wrong, so why bother and post something without backing up my claim first?

It looks like a fuzzy vertical bar on the left side to me. Anybody? What does it look like to you?

OK, this just screams, 'I am an *******, please commence your verbal attacks upon me!" When you make a smart-ass statement that serves no purpose other than to inflame someone, step up to the plate and be a man about it. Or woman, should that be the case. Do not do the following...

Indolikaa, it seems that you are dragging your beef everywhere I go just like a big iron ball chained to your leg. I don't think anybody is interested in your hurt feelings just like I doubt if you will get a closure you're after.
Stop posting your word by word and sentence by sentence summaries as they are boring and provocative. You must really have nothing better to do but hang out here waiting for someone's foot to slip so you can have your moment of glory. Get a life.

...because then you expose yourself for the ******* you truly are. You see, not six posts before he comes off proclaiming that he doesn't get into 'personal stuff' and he's not 'obnoxious' and yet, please direct your attention to the quote above.

Iron ball chained to my leg? Hurt feelings?

I have a suggestion proxy. Let's start a poll. We'll call it the 'Whose the Bigger *******' thread and there will be two options: Indolikaa and proxyx99. And let's see what our friends here really think. I'm a big enough man to accept other people's views of myself. What about you?

I don't think you're up to it.

[sitlet]

cant we all get along?

[indolikaa]

I'm trying, man! I'm being more polite than I've ever been, given the situation.

[SatStorm]

indolikaa is a well known member in the forum
He knows how to be polite ''

[proxyx99]

So far former E. Germany, Poland, Romania moved to PAL. Others soon to follow (Chech, Slovaks).
Indolikaa, It's simpler then you think. You are not rusty, you are just plain dumb (...forgot that?). As I see from your posts I was fully justified naming you "a nutcase", right beside others calling you bipolar and psycho, your true colors. Btw. since I concur, little reminder: don't forget your daily lithium pill and to mop the foam off your face. Then you can mix with the crowd. Hey, if you are lucky someone can even take you for "normal"! I'll pray for you. Promise.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. Geez, what is it with members now. STOP THE INSANITY!
/ Moderator tgpo

[SatStorm]

Yes, the terrestrial analogue channels don't transmit to PAL the last 8 years on those countries, but as I said it before in other post: So, what they gonna do with their archives? Before you say something really smart (with your local and egocentric logic), just to inform you that those countries don't have money to transfer their archives to digital or to PAL, as the Germans did (which took them about 12 years in the proccess and millions of Euros, about the price of a nations economie...).
And the people with VCRs? Simply delete there archives just because they move to PAL.

Or to put it in other way:
You gonna delete your camcorder tapes of your marriage, your kids birth, your hollidays, now which HDTV is used in USA?

Indolikaa, can you please be polite with our fellow once again?

[proxyx99]

That is the cost of the natural process called "progress". Nobody asked you or me whether you want widescreen tv, miniDV, digital phone, faster CPU. But don't worry, multisystem TV's and VCR's are a day to day reality there. This is one of the strongest multisystem markets today.

Satstorm, you meant SECAM of course, right?

[johns0]

proxyx99,as i can see all you are doing is name calling and insults,indolikaa has just been making references to your comments,easy to see who`s acting mature.

[proxyx99]

It is in reference to the posted material (I also made a reference point), I hope it is not too complicated? Or shall I read it aloud so everyone can follow?

[SatStorm]

Yes, I mean SECAM not PAL, sorry for this.

And you keep thinking, posting and refering in a very local way...
You don't have the slighty idea how it is outside USA, right?

"... widescreen tv, miniDV, digital phone, faster CPU..."

There are very few widescreen TVs in Europe, and even less 16:9 transmissions. Only BBC / Terrestial british channels, German National channels and couple of subcription services have widescreen transmissions.
It is 4:3 for Europe and if DVD didn't exist, those Widescreen TVs of yours would be an exotic thing here.

miniDV: CamCorders of any kind are very popular only to North West Europe. For the rest it is a very expencive thing, only recently appeared on some rich families

Digital phone: What you mean here? Digital telephone lines? There is still a 20% analogue lines in my country (a E.U. member). Or you mean those services you have there in US and you get them for granted? Like 2 lines together per phone, cabel, etc? Those are Science Fiction stories for the non NW European countries. Even Italy don't have those services spead.

Faster CPU: In east Europe (Russia & Polland mostly) there are still using a ZX Spectrum 128K based PC, called "Scorpion". It is based on a Z80 CPU and has 256kb RAM.
Just for your information, the mainstream PC in Hellas, is a Pentium 3 @ 500Mhz, the average monitor is a CRT 15" and the most popular monitor resolution is 800 x 600 at 32 bit. The usual OS here is W98SE (50%), and there is a 40% for WinXP (patched version, since only the 25% of the PC users have an internet access, something which winXP have it for granted in this OS...), 8% win2k and 2% Linux

Why you keep doing this? Why you don't think global when you post "facts" (only exist in your mind) in an international forum? Or you think that you are the center of the word, the one who knows anything and nobody can doubt him because of his "facts"?

And a totally off topic question for you:
I bet you believe that Country music and Gospel music are as popular in the world as it is in USA, right?

[proxyx99]

Satstorm, I think you need to go on a trip. I have many friends all over Europe and I travel frequently. To my knowledge Poland has the strongest PC market (and not only PC, much more) in former East Block. You won't find ZX there (maybe hobbysts). I think you are off by quite a few years. A guy in Warsaw that I know has 5Mbps cable internet link for 2 years already, faster then mine and most cable links in N. America (3 Mbps usually).

I think you slightly underestimate the fact that many of forum members do travel, Americans too. From what I've seen in Europe I got the impression that in some areas they are ahead of N. America (like cell phone proliferation and technology). First widescreen TV that I have ever seen was in Germany 11 years ago, that was about 45 inch flat screen CRT by Telefunken, Germany. In that sense I don't agree with your implication that they are so far behind. My perception was different.

[SatStorm]

Does "Argentina" tell you something?

It is the model currently "used" in Polland.

For the ones they don't know, some very few have anything, the 90% has nothing. The 40% of the Polish population is "polish farmers" a term to describe the ones with small land capable just to feed themselfs with it. And this is the official numbers.

Your friends probably belong to that 10%....

Also, to that 10% belong many drug dealers, "trading" services for teen females and black money wash outs....
As it happens in most East Europe currently....

Do you **** for free when you visit East Europe proxyx99? You have friends there right?
Does your wife know about it?

[proxyx99]

Let's stop here, OK? This is not the place for that type of discussion.

[SatStorm]

And I have a VHS VCR untill 1979. What that means, that Greeks have VCRs from that year?
And in USA you had LDs from 1978. First time I saw a LD was in 1992...
What's your point?

When someone lives here, can easily understand the role of the visitors...

Also, if it is smart enough, can understand someone by what he says. His actions, beliefs, whatever...
I think that I fully understand now what person you are. Let say, you are a BAD example of an American....

Germany: The Center of technology in Europe. Yes, there widescreen TVs exist a bit more that other Europe.
But did you ever saw a widescreen TV in Portugal - for example - ?

You know something? You really piss me of with ALL your posts.

You are gifted man, you are gifted...