MMC ATI 8.9 has arrived !!

[presto]

But it is a very simple process. And they have remained consistant in their approach.

I'm glad to hear this. Can you give us a link where ATI explains this process? I for one have had many problems with ATI installs and I always follow the steps outlined on the download page where I get the files.

I guess I agree that the process is simple. It just doesn't always work. It then gets very complicated.

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But it is a very simple process. And they have remained consistant in their approach.

I'm glad to hear this. Can you give us a link where ATI explains this process?

Try this:

https://www.videohelp.com/

Do a search. It has been discussed hundreds of times.

Or here if you are really in trouble.

http://www.rage3d.com/

Go to the forums

The experts on this board get most of their best stuff from here. Unsited of course.

[presto]

Uh, Those aren't ATI links. There would be no need for any of those discussions if ATI just made an installer that worked. I've visited those discussions and they have helped me many times.

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Uh, Those aren't ATI links. There would be no need for any of those discussions if ATI just made an installer that worked. I've visited those discussions and they have helped me many times.

Welcome to the world of Microsoft. With an open approach to hardware (verus the Apple strategy) i.e. $2.00 sound cards and $20.00 motherboards we are pretty much on our own. No hardware provider can keep up. Hence these wonderful boards like DVDRHELP providing a forum for all of us to complain.

[presto]

Welcome to the world of Microsoft. With an open approach to hardware (verus the Apple strategy) i.e. $2.00 sound cards and $20.00 motherboards we are pretty much on our own. No hardware provider can keep up. Hence these wonderful boards like DVDRHELP providing a forum for all of us to complain.

I agree. You'd be hard pressed to find any one who didn't

Educating every single buyer is a daunting task.

They could begin by explaining this "simple" process on their download page.

Could I trouble you to just add it to your next post?

[lordsmurf]

I've only got one word for ATI MMC 8.9 == "sonofabitch" == all it did was remove my tv tuner, so here I sit fiddling with the card for about 2 hours now.... gee, isn't this fun?

Still no tv tuner after 6-7 re/un/installs.

Sigh.

[presto]

I thought 8.9 was working on one of my two machines. Now I keep getting crashes. The system log says it is ATI making an illegal request (or something like that).

[Manokat]

lordsmurf wrote:
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I've only got one word for ATI MMC 8.9 == "sonofabitch" == all it did was remove my tv tuner, so here I sit fiddling with the card for about 2 hours now.... gee, isn't this fun?

Still no tv tuner after 6-7 re/un/installs.

Sigh.
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Are you trying to install with AIW 128PRO or AIW RADEON series?

I think many people forget the prerequisites. AIW 8.9 requires Windows Media Encoder 9 to function properly, especially the TV (capture).

Try installing Windows Media 9 encoder first and reinstall 8.9.

[lordsmurf]

Updating my primary system, that's why I'm pissed about it, running a 7200 AGP card in here.

I did notice WMP9 was "gone" from my WMV files for double clicking to autoplay. I wonder if ATI screwed up MS stuff. Interesting. Thanks. I've not spent much time on it yet, fiddling between other stuff, building a new computer yesterday and today mostly.

[lacywest]

I've only got one word for ATI MMC 8.9 == "sonofabitch" == all it did was remove my tv tuner, so here I sit fiddling with the card for about 2 hours now.... gee, isn't this fun?

Still no tv tuner after 6-7 re/un/installs.

Sigh.

LordSmurf ... whats up with you ... now ... I am pretty sure you know what's up. So lets look at the complaints and which people have a certain system installed.

I use MSI KT4V-L mobo ... with 1 GB DDR Ram and the AMD 2500/barton core.

When you all said the MMC ATI 8.9 has arrived ... I downloaded it [DVD Player gave me problems ... still not installed ... no biggy ... I use PowerDVD anyway] I installed it ... and have been using it ever since.

Here's a question ... I am using the ATI AIW 7500 ... would a newer ATI AIW with the Theater 200 give me even better video capture.

I do have one complaint ... and this goes back to previous versions.

I get in a hurry and start capturing some TV show with a unique or special quest ... and after that interview is over ... I am bummed ... no sound.

I keep forgeting to open the mixer and select line in. I shouldn't have to do this but ... I do.

So a couple of days ago ... I captured a segment on Jimmy Buffet and about some restuarant owner using "MargaritaVille" for their back patio at some restuarant. My girlfriend likes Jimmy Buffet ... so I recorded it but ... crap ... when I played it back .... no sound.

Any suggestions ...

I read some where ... SB Live Value and ATI installs clash.

[TEBGSYA]

I tried to load it yesterday and it clobbered my drivers. I was fine with 8.1. I tried to uninstall and reinstall 8.1 but when I boot it says there is a problem with ATI MMC.

Apparently I still have some 8.9 junk out there that is killing it.

What drivers do I need to manually delete?

Are there registry entries I need to delete?
I tried an "ATI" search with regedit but I get thousands of hits.

Any advice is appreciated.

BTW... Virtualdub will capture but the ATI capture is dead.

[ggtronic]

i had no problem with MMC8.9 , with my aiw radeon 7200 32m.
i always do a specifiq instalation methode, and keep only TV(capture)
and picture galery . i use power DVD for reading , and windows media
for mpeg1+2+4streaming.

exept for dma setting ( hard drive ) that goes slower when i use the
capture option in other apps, sometime the dma goes to PIO speed instead of ultra dma mode 5 , look that url to fix this
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;817472

about wrong uninstall, search for all MMC folder and files, each
user for you windows xp have a folder for its specifiq setting, delete those,
there is also a MMC folder in your capture drive.

[Alan69]

Presto:
Pretty sure System Restore only keeps track of your Windows and drivers etc and basic info. If ATI has stuff needed to run somewhere that SR doesn't keep track of, that is not SR's fault, so you're blaming the wrong thing. ATI stuff works well when working, but shouldn't have so much that fails operation in places that aren't really OS in the first place. Don't think the SR is a real complete backup like you're thinking it should work..

Going to try the grand experiment myself. And thanks for the WMEnc9 heads up, probably would have caught me too. I'm at 8.5 and have the 8500DV, so wanting to see if this helps some on the grainy captures. Partly my fault though the cable is split and on a long run to get to the comp, still good but not perfect captures. Done a couple of MMC upgrades in the past though and had no real problems, don't expect too much now really since I have the AIW. Am planning to check the CPU on capture before and after, what else may they have done than put in a little video soap even if it's turned off? I'm expecting a few percent or more drop on the capture from it, so checking a couple of capture resolutions for CPU use.

Alan

[presto]

Don't think the SR (system restore) is a real complete backup like you're thinking it should work..

In that case it gives a false sense of security and is worse than useless. I previously used Go Back and it truly restores your computer to the exact state it was in at an earlier time. I'm reinstalling Go Back.

[Alan69]

Ok back up and running, took my time, didn't keep any settings and set everything back up manually etc to get familiar while seeing the new stuff.

Uninstalled everything in reverse order, then installed drivers package, then ODM and MMC and Remote Wonder. Didn't put Hydravision back on yet since I don't use it really. All went painlessly, didn't touch the registry manually etc just followed the guides on ATI site. May be a stray registry setting or two left but all seems good.

Went from MMC8.5 to 8.9. Not sure what improvements happened in 8.7 etc, but what a jump to 8.9! Not so much in features, as in performance.

Before with 8.5:
DVD was around 90% CPU, VCD was around 25% CPU.

With 8.9:
DVD is around 55-60%, VCD is around 16%.

These were with default light video soap, DVD is around 48-50% with VS off.

Still drops a couple switching tasks around etc, but noticably better than before. Upgraded drivers too, so not sure how much of it's in the drivers and how much is in MMC. I should have checked with VirtualVCR too to check for how much was in the driver improvement.

Hard to quantify the less grainy part since I still have a long cable run and a couple of splits, but there is definitely a bit less. Seems it may be something in hardware filtering setups too, since the CPU use went down from other improvements instead of up..

Easylook isn't a bad thing but I do other things with the TV open, so it was turned off fast. MMC config small button on the MMC taskbar is where it's at.

Seems to be worth it for what I did, from 8.7 of course there may be less to gain. Of course your results may vary a bit from this but should follow the trend.

Alan

[lordsmurf]

If you have time and patience, ATI MMC 8.9 is worth it. After a dozen attempts, I got it to take on w WINME system with ATI AIW 7200 AGP. Works quite well, installation aside.

Had to remove EVERYTHING that is ATI from my PC.

Lost all my settings, etc, but I can make new ones easily. I don't really care about that.