MMC ATI 8.9 has arrived !!

[tommyoz]

Did my first capture a 2 1/2 hour movie in Mpeg2DVD format with WXP. Not a single problem. No loss frames, no audio/sync issues and no errors.

Up to now i've been capturing with VDub Huffyuv codec under W2K.
I wanted to try and cut down on the amount of time it takes to get it on DVD. I'm glad I did, this may be the way i'm gonna go for now.

I do plan on trying other cappping sofware as well.

[tommyoz]

Hey check out my comments about using ... Theater Mode in MMC ATI 8.9

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=821928#821928

Hey, I did happen to catch your post about that last night. That's intersteing to know, I'll have to try it some day.

[lrosado]

I cant even get the MMC 8.9 to install, I installed the drivers the DAO but when i run the MMC installer it extracts but nothing happens.

[jimquinn]

Upgraded from mmc ati 8.7 to 8.9 this weekend and now mpeg captures are dropping lots of frames at 720x640. I very seldom had more that 2 -4 frame drops with 8.7. Capture with 640x480 avi was ok. Guess I'll have to go back to 8.7.

[DJA]

I cant even get the MMC 8.9 to install, I installed the drivers the DAO but when i run the MMC installer it extracts but nothing happens.

..and I thought it was just me! I have the same issue, 8.8 loads fine, but the MMC89 InstallShield setup starts to run and then disappears after a few screens..no error, just ends.

I sent a message to ATI but all I received was a canned reply telling me to search the FAQ...There is something wrong with the MMC89 setup.exe file currently posted by ATI.

Please notify ATI if you experience this problem. Unless they hear about this from multiple users, they won't investigate.

David

[Manokat]

In order to install MMC 8.XX (including 8.9) normally, you need a valid Radeon or TV wonder series. It will not install on Nvidia MX400 and if you do not have qualifying ATI cards, the install will just quit without any message.

[dun4cheap]

Well I have been using it without problems. However I use it for my entertainment system as a tivo. It records my shows as scheduled, great quality. I use the remote wonder and it broadcasts a signal throughout my house on a closed circuit RF line so I can watch it and access it from any room any time. I also use the EZ Look extenisively and have noted gread improvements with it also. The ez share is not so great yet but I have not messed with it to much. Problem with the ez share is anytime I try to use it, the computer accessing it loses internet connectivity. You should also know I am running my internal lan on a giga lan, so bandwidth should not be an issue for any streaming video.

[DJA]

In order to install MMC 8.XX (including 8.9) normally, you need a valid Radeon or TV wonder series. It will not install on Nvidia MX400 and if you do not have qualifying ATI cards, the install will just quit without any message.

Hmmm...That's what's happening, but I do have the TV Wonder VE card installed and I can (and do) use the MMC 8.8. Do I also need an ATI video card for 8.9?

(Thanks, this is more help than I received from ATI)

David

[dun4cheap]

By the way I did have a hard time installing the ATI MMC, I ended up uninstalling all my ATI Drivers and re-installing it. It only requires an ATI video card or TV card being installed. I have not tried my old ATI PCI TV Wonder with it, only my AIW9000

and my system with ATI 9200 and Built By ATI 9600pro

[dunga]

Hmmm...That's what's happening, but I do have the TV Wonder VE card installed and I can (and do) use the MMC 8.8. Do I also need an ATI video card for 8.9?

(Thanks, this is more help than I received from ATI)

David

This happened to me as well. MMC 8.8 works fine with TV Wonder VE PCI but 8.9 won't get past unpacking in the installation procedure. Tried uninstalling ALL ATI files, even Gemstar GuidePlus, to no avail. Anyone get the VE to install 8.9?

[DJA]

FWIW, the release notes for both MMC 8.8 & 8.9 say:

"An ATI graphics card must be installed as the primary display adapter under Windows. This does not pertain to the ATI TV Wonder™"

Sounds like this means the TV Wonder qualifies the install of those versions. If so, this is not correct for 8.9. I do not have an ATI video card but I have the TV Wonder VE and 8.9 won't install.

Older versions (8.7 & 8.6 at least) say only: "An ATI graphics card must be installed as the primary display adapter under Windows." No mention of the TV Wonder exception.

David

[ronnylov]

Now I have upgraded from MMC 8.8 to MMC 8.9 with my ATI AIW Radeon 32 MB DDR in Windows XP. It works better for me than MMC 8.8. I uninstalled all drivers and ATI software except DVD Player 7.6. Then installed Catalyst 4.2 full driver package (including WDM drivers and ATI Control Panel) and then I installed MMC 8.9 custom install without DVD player. But I had problems with my PAL NICAM stereo channels so I downgraded ATI WDM Audio crossbar driver to my old trustworthy 6125 version and the audio was fine with stereo and everything. I could not see any functionality differencies from 8.8 but it seemed a little bit more stable. It only crashed once when the scheduler started a recording but after restarting the PC it seemed to work.

[Murp0s]

I tired to use mmc 8.9 but could not get it to install on my sys.

Win2k Pro SP4 with a ATI TV-Wonder PCI
Ge3 TI-500
SOundblaster Live Value (i think)

I downloaded the new drivers, the dao package and MMC 8.9

I installed the card and the drivers, then the dao package then TRIED to install MMC. It begins the install process but then simply stops, the install screen goes away and I'm sitting at my desktop with no MMC installed. Odd stuff.

Any ideas? Thanks

[Nelson37]

I read somewhere that 8.9 allows specifying LPCM audio during MPEG-2 capture. Anyone confirm this?

This would be useful for real-time AC-3 capture using a high-grade sound card, though that's still a future project.

8.1 working great for me, updating is such a hassle that I probably won't try it yet.

Are those describing a reduction in "graininess" using the tuner or S-Video connection? I gave up on the tuner long ago.

[lacywest]

I read somewhere that 8.9 allows specifying LPCM audio during MPEG-2 capture. Anyone confirm this?

This would be useful for real-time AC-3 capture using a high-grade sound card, though that's still a future project.

8.1 working great for me, updating is such a hassle that I probably won't try it yet.

Are those describing a reduction in "graininess" using the tuner or S-Video connection? I gave up on the tuner long ago.

Using the Tuner ... I haven't tried a S-VHS yet ... not plugged in.

[warddc]

I sucessfully got mmc8.9 to install and work with my AIW VE. The unistalll of 8.8 however was painfull. The uninstall they supply did not work. I manually removed all ati stuff from the registry and killed the app files. When you run the mmc installer it unpacks everything in a subdirectory \ati\support\mmcwhatever\. You can try to lauch setup.exe again from there and see if it continues OK.

d.

[DJA]

I did finally get an acknowledgment of a problem from ATI. If you are experiencing the aborted install problem with MMC 8.9, please provide ATI with the info requested below.

http://apps.ati.com/cservice/webform.asp

David

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"Regarding MMC 8.9 installation issue:

MULTIMEDIA CENTER 8.9 - Setup aborts or terminates

The information in this article applies to the following configurations:

TV WONDER PCI
TV WONDER VE
TV WONDER PRO
MULTIMEDIA CENTER 8.9
Windows XP

Users have reported that the MULTIMEDIA CENTER 8.9 installer will terminate before completing the setup.

ATI Customer Care is currently tracking reports of this issue.

Please inform us of the following:

- What graphics board is installed?
- Was a previous version of MULTIMEDIA CENTER installed?
- Was the Operating System loaded from an image, such as Norton Ghost or Drive Image?
- Does a full removal of ATI Drivers and Software, then full reinstall correct this issue?
- Document the make / model of motherboard used
- Test the system by closing down background programs during the sofware setup

Users who are experiencing this issue are advised to download and install a previous version of MULTIMEDIA CENTER should this issue continue. MULTIMEDIA CENTER 8.8 is not known to be affected."

[marshalljames]

Sounds to me like a lot of you guys are trying to fix problems that are nothing to do with MMC and more to do with old slow puters(less than 2.ghz).I have MMC 8.1 installed and have never dropped a frame,capture to the same HD as operating system and surf the net while capturing.
I would suggest lordsmurfs capture settings for you guys.I use a modified lordsmurf (I use more b frames as I have fast cpu2.6 Ghz 800 mhz front side bus and 256mb 400Mhzmemory)setting and have had excellent results(I was using the dvd setting that came with card but realized this was OverKill.and never dropped a frame on that either)
Of course your using Windows 2k right...a power users operating system as oppossed to XP(not a power user O/S)I.M.O A kiss microsofts ass o/s
CPU speed is all important.
And to guy who said he had grainy capture that sounds like an antenna issue and not an MMC issue.

[lacywest]

..... And to guy who said he had grainy capture that sounds like an antenna issue and not an MMC issue.

I always find a clear cable channel ... to check for grain.

Usually GAC country music videos .... is a clear signal

[DVWannaB]

I have been thinking long and hard about getting the AIW 9800 Pro, but with all these install and upgarde problems, I dont think it is worth the darn headache. I may have to pass until I have a compelling reason to get it.

[marshalljames]

I have been thinking long and hard about getting the AIW 9800 Pro, but with all these install and upgarde problems, I dont think it is worth the darn headache. I may have to pass until I have a compelling reason to get it.

Unless your a gamer,I wouldn't get the 9800pro either.I would get the 7500 or 9000 save yourself 200+$ and put the money into the motherboard.
And if you are a gamer I would still get the AIW 7500/9000 and also get the the simple radeon 9800 and have a dual monitor system.Used monitors are not very pricey.

[manyk]

I have been thinking long and hard about getting the AIW 9800 Pro, but with all these install and upgarde problems, I dont think it is worth the darn headache. I may have to pass until I have a compelling reason to get it.

Unless your a gamer,I wouldn't get the 9800pro either.I would get the 7500 or 9000 save yourself 200+$ and put the money into the motherboard.
And if you are a gamer I would still get the AIW 7500/9000 and also get the the simple radeon 9800 and have a dual monitor system.Used monitors are not very pricey.

I totally agree! I am not a gamer myself. And purchasing the 9000 Pro was a great choice for me. I'm very happy with my purchase, and to be honest, I had no issues installing it at all ... maybe I'm just lucky that way

[jg0001]

I have the exact same problem with 8.9 failing to get anywhere (it just exits without notice, as mentioned by others).

I have a brand new ATI TV Wonder PRO Remote Control Edition, which as far as I know is their newest, best TV card that isn't an AIW card. After failing to get 8.9 to install, I went to 8.8 but it is BUGGY! When I'm just watching tv it seems okay, but when I record, it forces me to hear two copies of the audio, though the final recording comes out fine (for the most part.. the audio still 'glitches' and clips out every so often).

[DVWannaB]

I have been thinking long and hard about getting the AIW 9800 Pro, but with all these install and upgarde problems, I dont think it is worth the darn headache. I may have to pass until I have a compelling reason to get it.

Unless your a gamer,I wouldn't get the 9800pro either.I would get the 7500 or 9000 save yourself 200+$ and put the money into the motherboard.
And if you are a gamer I would still get the AIW 7500/9000 and also get the the simple radeon 9800 and have a dual monitor system.Used monitors are not very pricey.

I totally agree! I am not a gamer myself. And purchasing the 9000 Pro was a great choice for me. I'm very happy with my purchase, and to be honest, I had no issues installing it at all ... maybe I'm just lucky that way

Thanks, fellas. I needed that kind of input. I will definitely look into the AIW 7500 or 9000 pro. I am not a gamer, but want to capture MPEG 2 and 4 (with MMC 8.8).

[presto]

What A Mess!

8.9 worked fine on my test computer so I decided to try it on my main computer (I wanted to see what easy share was all about).

I carefully set a restore point first. Installed ATI MMC 8.9 and accidently set it as the client rather than the server for easy share. No big deal, I just ran the installer again and removed easy share. Funny thing it wouldn't remove. Uninstaller ran and it was still there.

No big deal, I'll just go back to my restore point and get ATI MMC 8.8 back. Wait a minute. Now I try to start 8.8 and get an error message about language recources not found. Huh? Shouldn't restore put it back where it was?

I then tried various things to fix things. I uinstalled all ATI stuff and reinstalled everything. I deleted my C/ATI folder and tried again. I deleted ATI Multimedia key from my registry and tried again.

My current situation is ridiculous. I can't install 8.9 because it tells me there is a previous version even when everything is uninstalled. 8.8 won't even start when I install it now. It just flashes up and vanishes instantly.

What is my next step? If I try to clean my system of all ATI what do I delete in the registry? All I found was the ATI Multimedia Center key but there must be more.

Why can't ATI write an uninstaller that works?

Thanks

[presto]

I seem to have repaired things. Here is what I had to do in case any one else is having similar problems:

After uninstalling ATI MMC:

1) Reboot Windows XP in diagnostic mode
2) Delete c/program files/Ati Multimedia
3) Reboot in regular mode
4) Reinstall ATI MMC 8.8
5) Reinstall Guide Plus from the CD
6) Update Guide Plus using the link in the Gemstar Guideplus Folder in the Start Menu

System restore should have put things back so the above would not be necessary. It's pretty bad when a program doesn't do the one thing it is supposed to do.

[Ruude]

Just installed the MMC 8.9. Seems to work but Teletext is missing although I chose to install it.

[erratic]

I read somewhere that 8.9 allows specifying LPCM audio during MPEG-2 capture. Anyone confirm this?

Yes, you can choose LPCM instead of MP2 audio. The LPCM audio is muxed with the MPEG-2 video stream and TMPGEnc's De-multiplex option shows it as private_stream_1 (0xA0) Linear PCM 48000Hz 2ch 1536kbps.

[zap91284]

Updating stuff for an ATI AIW card is a hellish experience. I usually only update if I'm doing a clean install of my system.

And has anyone heard of any hack software for the newer Media Center's? I remember some back in the day for the 6.x versions, but haven't heard of any since then.

[next]

Updating stuff for an ATI AIW card is a hellish experience. I usually only update if I'm doing a clean install of my system.

And has anyone heard of any hack software for the newer Media Center's? I remember some back in the day for the 6.x versions, but haven't heard of any since then.

It's actually very easy. Once you understand the method. ATI's problem is that they are the number one producers of this type of card. Educating every single buyer is a daunting task.

But it is a very simple process. And they have remained consistant in their approach.