.OGM ' s ---> a DVDR problems. HELP PLEASE

[ffactoryxx]

Basically i have about 20 episodes of a tv show here all in .OGM format. I installed codecs and what not but want to change these to mpeg format so i can make a dvd compilation to watch on my dvd player. I followed the guid but hit a speed bump right off the bat.
I renamed the files to xxxxxx.avi and opened it in Decompress.exe
When i his decompress i get "Could not render video stream" then i click ok and it says could not process c:\xxxxxx.avi file
Whats going on

[teegee420]

Try using Virtualdubmod instead. Open your OGM, go to file and select "Save As", move the "save as type" slider to avi, and on the bottom part of the window select "Direct Stream Copy". I'm not sure which encoder you are using but you may have to decompress the OGG audio to wav too.

[ffactoryxx]

what codecs do i need. Can you link me to each one or give me thier names

[teegee420]

Codecs for what? Aren't you able to play the OGM files already?

[ffactoryxx]

hmmm. They open up, fine with no errors but wont play. I mean its see how long they are and all but i hit play and nothing happens. I drag the slider bar to a place and nothing happens. No video just a black screen.

[teegee420]

Oh, I see. My appologies.

You will need Xvid:
http://www.roeder.goe.net/~koepi/xvid.shtml

OGG Vorbis:
http://tobias.everwicked.com/oggds.htm

Good luck.

[ffactoryxx]

now whats the best way to convert these ogg files into a .mpg or whatever. I want to put like 10 of these on a dvd for my home player, and maybe even create a stupid menu to choose the episode.

[ffactoryxx]

i was using this guide
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/170944.php

[teegee420]

How long are each of your files? And though that is a good guide you linked to, SVCD mpegs don't use a proper DVD resolution.

[ffactoryxx]

23 minutes. Hmm i still can watch this sucker. I mean it loads up but wont play. Like it says 0/23:46
If i scroll to say 2:38/23:46 it just stays there at that time. No video or audio. What the hell. I installed the two things you linked me to. Also i renamed it to .avi and am trying to convert in tmgenc but for the past 5min it just says analyizing.

You can hit me up on aim ffactory0x if its easier. Thanks forthe help as well.

[ffactoryxx]

ok well now the sound plays fine in WMP and Winamp. BSplayer says cant open file. Still no video though in WMP and Winamp. Also when i open the .omg file in WMP theres a little icon in my tray with options like language and subtitles and chapters.

[teegee420]

I don't use AIM, sorry. Try converting to a true avi with Virtualdubmod(as described in my first post). Also, Windows Media Player has issues when it comes to OGM. It always gave me problems anyway. Use Media Player Classic to play instead.

One other filter you might need is Directvobsub, especially if your files have subtitles and multiple audio streams. Get it here: http://www.inmatrix.com/files/vsfilter_download.shtml

As for what encoding settings to use, you should probably convert your files to CVD with an average bitrate of around 2400, which is a lot like SVCD, only with a resolution of 352x480 versus 480x480. You will also need to use a 48,000hz sampling frequency versus 44,100hz. Once you have all of your CVD files created you'll need to use an authoring program like TMPGEnc DVD Author or DVDLab to create the proper DVD file structure and menus.

[teegee420]

I just read your last post and you won't be needing Directvobsub after all, it's already there(the little icon).

[teegee420]

I probably should have recommended this from the get-go but you should really try G-spot to determine what kind of video compression your files have. Most OGM files use Xvid but it could be something else in your case.

[ffactoryxx]

this is killing me. Now im getting cant open unsupported format for both .avi's and .omg's in TMGenc.
What codecs do i need for the divx. Ive installed and unistalled the 3.11's a million times

[ffactoryxx]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!! it was divx 5.0 i needed!!!!!!
Ok so no that it can open what settings should i choose to make these onto a dvd compelation. What steps should i take from beggining to end??? Any guides? You help is grately appriciated. Thankyou so much.
BTW what is CVD??? and how do i convert to it and change the sampling.

I cant use tmgenc to convert to mp2 like i have been doing?

[teegee420]

Good job! CVD is pretty much a non-standard SVCD. Here's what you do to create a what I'm suggesting.

1. Start up TMPGEnc(without the project wizard) and click "Load" on the lower right corner. Select "SuperVideoCD (NTSC).mcf". Click "Load" again and go to the "Extra" folder and select "unlock.mcf".

2. Click "Setting". Change the first size value to 352 instead of 480(leave the second one 480). Change the bitrate to 2400kbps.

3. Click on the "Audio" tab and change the frequency to 48,000hz instead of 44,100hz. Click "OK".

At that point just browse for the first file you want to convert and select it for the video source.

Here's where it gets a little tricky. You're going to need to decompress the audio in your OGM file. To do this, open Virtualdubmod and browse for the first file. Go to the Streams menu and select "Stream List". Right click the audio stream and select "Full Processing Mode". Right click again and select "Save WAV" then select a file name. Use the wav file as your audio source in TMPGEnc.

The last thing you should do before starting the encoding process is save your current settings as a template. That way you won't have to adjust the m for each file you convert. Save it as "OGM CVD" or whatever. After all your files are converted you just have to author them to DVD with a DVD authoring program.

EDIT: The bitrate that I suggested should allow you to squeeze 10 23-minute episodes on one DVD. Just want to make sure that's clear.

[ffactoryxx]

why not the dvd templete in TMPGenc???
Also will the quality look just as good as the original i have?

The orginal in Gspot says 640x480. Why are we changing the resolution

[spidey]

Yes, you'll need to encode to a DVD template / spec's. The SVCD template shoudl not have been mentioned.

In short -

Your vid stream must be 29.97 fps - 720x480 for ntsc
Your audio stream must be 48 Khz - then you can ac3 the mp2 later

See the dvd spec's under TMPG's templates or https://www.videohelp.com/dvd

[ffactoryxx]

ok this is Japan Anime so in gspot the resolution is 640x480 and FPS 23.97. Also when i save to wave it takes a while and is about 220mb a stream

[teegee420]

Yes, you'll need to encode to a DVD template / spec's. The SVCD template shoudl not have been mentioned.

In short -

Your vid stream must be 29.97 fps - 720x480 for ntsc
Your audio stream must be 48 Khz - then you can ac3 the mp2 later

See the dvd spec's under TMPG's templates or https://www.videohelp.com/dvd

I only mentioned the SVCD template as a baseline for creating a new CVD template. I suggested this because ffactoryxx wants to fit 230 minutes on one DVD which the DVD template will not do. My suggestions will still comply with DVD specs.

[ffactoryxx]

ohh i understand now. I dont care if there 10 or 5 episodes on the dvd. As long as i get the same qualit as the original that i have. So if i use the dvd template. Should i use 720x480 in stead of the 352?? Also should i change the bitrate. I have 26 episodes and would put 5-10 on each disc. If i do it the original svcd way will i notice much quality loss (352x480)

[teegee420]

ok this is Japan Anime so in gspot the resolution is 640x480 and FPS 23.97. Also when i save to wave it takes a while and is about 220mb a stream

Just so you know, the reason why I suggested you change the resolution to 352x480 is that in order to squeeze 10 eps onto a DVD you have to use a low bitrate(2400kbps in this case). If you were to use that same bitrate with a 720x480 resolution your resulting video would look terrible. Still, 352x480 is a valid DVD resolution so don't worry about that.

As far as the wav file goes, what you experienced is normal. TMPGEnc often has issues with compressed audio so it's always a good idea to use a wav as your source. Particularly when dealing with AVI/OGM.

[ffactoryxx]

ok well last question until i start encoding these suckers. What quality loss are we talking about going from the original 640x480 to the 352x480
with 2400bit rate. Also what should iset as the max and min. Also even though this is anime encoded at 23.927fps, i choose 29.97 fps in tmpenc.

You said earlier to save the stream as wave. I have 2 streams though

So basically
10 episodes 2400bit rate 352x480
?? episodes ?? bitrate 720x480

[teegee420]

ohh i understand now. I dont care if there 10 or 5 episodes on the dvd. As long as i get the same qualit as the original that i have. So if i use the dvd template. Should i use 720x480 in stead of the 352?? Also should i change the bitrate. I have 26 episodes and would put 5-10 on each disc. If i do it the original svcd way will i notice much quality loss (352x480)

Will you notice a difference in quality? Only you can answer that. Here's an example of mine. I do a lot of TV capturing using a resolution of 352x480(mainly because this is close to the actual resolution broadcasters use) and an average bitrate of 7,000kbps. This creates a 1.1gb file for a 22-23 minute episode. For animation I always convert to the CVD settings I described. The difference to me is marginal at best. Here's the thing though, if it's live-action, I'd keep the original settings instead of converting to CVD if I wanted to transfer to DVD.

I really doubt that you'll be unhappy with results but the only way to tell for sure is for you do a test encode. If you can live with the quality then proceed to put 10 eps on one disc. If not, you can use the DVD template which will probably fit 4 or 5 eps. Best of luck to you.

[teegee420]

ok well last question until i start encoding these suckers. What quality loss are we talking about going from the original 640x480 to the 352x480
with 2400bit rate. Also what should iset as the max and min. Also even though this is anime encoded at 23.927fps, i choose 29.97 fps in tmpenc.

You said earlier to save the stream as wave. I have 2 streams though

So basically
10 episodes 2400bit rate 352x480
?? episodes ?? bitrate 720x480

Do you want to include both streams on the DVD? That certainly changes things a bit. I think you could get away with using a constant bitrate so min/max wouldn't come into play. But again, I think you should really run a couple of test encodes. One with the settings I suggested and one with the DVD template. If you are content with CVD, then go from there. If not go with the DVD template.

[ffactoryxx]

Running test encode with the cvd settings your gave me. Now when i run a dvd test encode what settings should i use bit rate etc???
Also what would happen if i up the bitrate a little for the cvd

[teegee420]

DVD Settings- You can use the DVD template in the project wizard or set it manually for something like a 8,000kbps for bitrate and 720x480 for resolution. If you up the bitrate for CVD your video quality will increase. If you up it by only 500-1000kbps you might not even notice a difference because it's animation. It would be a lot more noticeable were it live-action. You should use a bitrate calc to figure out how much video you can fit by changing the bitrates. This site has a great one here. Just remember, the higher the bitrate you use, the less video you'll be able to fit on your DVD. If you get a chance, make sure you post back when your disc is done. I'd be interested in how things turned out for you.

[ffactoryxx]

hmm seems just a tad choppy on that vcd 2400 setting. BTW it freezes all my players about 10 sec in. It starts playing, then bam, stops and wont go past like 10 sec. Whats wrong.
Settings as following
size: 352x480
aspect 4:3
29.97
Constant bitrate
bit rate 2400
vbv buffer 112
video ntsc
encode mode interlace
yuv 4:2:0
dc 8bits

Encoded with system video+audio

[teegee420]

I think it's a filter issue. Try using a software DVD player like Power DVD instead. It shouldn't look as choppy because a software DVD player will de-interlace the video.