DVDs won't play in standalone, using TMPGEnc DVD Author

[neilpercy]

hi,

I have a problem where DVDs I create using my editing software and either the in-built DVD software (Sonic lite) to create DVD files or use TMPGEnc DVD author to create DVD with a menu, will not play in my standalone, but will play in a friend's Sony.

Yet a backup of a commercial movie using the same media works just fine? always using the same media - ritek G04

Seems to me that the problem is peculiar to 'self-generated' (for want of a better word) video files, as opposed to backups of commercially mastered discs.

For whatever reason this self-generated stuff causes my player to say "no disc".

see https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=783731#783731 about two thirds down, for more.

Then I saw these comments about DVDLab

https://www.videohelp.com/tools.php?tool=171#comments

Re:- DVDLab .." Even though the pro version introduces creation of separate VTS files, the program lumps some menus in the same VTS as a particular movie. This way of authoring is problematic for older DVD players which often will not read the disk or some items on the menu will be inactive. It’s not a problem for newer players which can read this DVD structure. " (my player is an older one)

and

"Also the way of creation separate VTS files by importing already created projects is time consuming and I believe this approach is not the best solution."

I have read the DVD structure guide at Doom9, but I don't understand what the references to the VTS files means, or the significance of a single VTS output, but could this be my problem.

I see a link to a DOOM9 guide to ' Making a multiple VTS with Ifoedit for a Menu produced with DVD Lab ' in the comments, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58791 which I will try and get my head around, but any comments or thoughts would be useful.


cheers,

neil

[joecav]

What brand DVD player do you own? Could it be the player is just being picky?

[dafreak]

it would help if you explained in detail what process you use to author your dvd's

[neilpercy]

@joecav

my player is a Lecson 900, which is fine for playing DVD-R

(https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=Lecson&Submit=Search&Search=Search&orderby=Name) and it plays the same ritek media fine when playing a back-up of commercial mastered disk, so it has to be something to do with the creaton of the dvd files (ifo ?) through authoring (?)


@dafreak

To author I either just use the built in software in my (Avid) editing software - Sonic DVD Lite - and create a Video_TS folder which I burn with Nero 5.9, or I have created the m2v and wav files from my editing software and then used TMPGEnc DVD Author to create a simple front menu, consisting of a logo and a play button, and created the Video_TS folder this way, and then burnt with Nero 5.9. either way produces the same results.

I use Nero to burn the Video_TS folder files (and the empty Audio_TS folder) that I create with DVDShrink when backing up commercially mastered discs and have no problems at all.

My main concern is compatabilty, as I send these DVDs off to be bulk reproduced for distribution, so it worries me that they won't play on some machine.

[joecav]

So not one of the original authoring DVDs (not backups of pressed DVDs)you've created has worked in your DVD player? NEVER once? But those same discs will work in your friends Sony?

If that's the case, then you're obviously creating a compliant VIDEO_TS folder b/c if you weren't, it wouldn't work in any player. I'm just confused as to why a backup disc using the same media works in your machine, but new compilations will not.

Lastly, I know the Riteks are good quality and compatible with just about everything, but do you have any other brands of media to test out in your machine? Sounds counter-intuitive, but may be worth a last ditch effort.

[Fozzee]

One of my DVD players is a Lecson 900.
It is picky as far as media is concerned.
But Ritek G04's are usually OK.

But no DVD burned with NERO before version 6.302 worked in it.
I had to use Record Now max.
In older versions of nero they used udf 1.05 instead of 1.02 which has more compatibility. In the newer versions 1.02 is used.

This may be unrelated to your problem but may be of help i dunno.

Fozzee

[jtoolman2000]

That's weird as I have a series of instructional videos that I sell which have been authored in tmpgenc dvd author and I then mass burn on a duplicator. I use ritek -r G04 and after literally hundreds of dvd sold, I've had 5 returns due to general playback problems. Most could attributed to individual players. After I recieved them, I was able to play them perfectly on any of my 7 players. So go figure!! Burning DVDs whether back ups or self produced is a total crap shoot. At least there as some aspect that be controlled such as making sure that you use good media, computer is running stably and it's regularly defragmented. You know, the regular things most PCs need.

[CT2]

Any disc I record on the Panasonic E50 does not work in my Zenith DVD Player, but will play on my PC and PS2. Every disc I author or backup on the PC Plays in the PC, PS2 and Zenith DVD Player, but not in the Panasonic E50. I had to buy another DVD Player that will play disc made on a Stand Alone Panasonic. All DVD Players will not play all DVDs

[LisaB]

This is a real longshot, but I think I've heard that there are some rare DVD players out there which will not play "all-region" discs. Typically when you rip DVD's, you remove the region encoding, marking it with all region numbers (this is an option in DVD-Decryptor). Commercial disks will always be marked by a particular region.

You could try authoring the disk for your region.

[neilpercy]

@joecav

yes that's right, only backups of pressed DVDs work, originally authored DVDs will not. To me that suggest's something in the VTS (IFO) is non standard (as hinted at in the quote about DVDLab above, older players not liking whatever is slightly non standard.)

I have only tried 'Imitation' brand name discs as well which also don't work in this method.

@Fozzee

this UDF 1.05 v 1.02 thing is interesting. I will certainly look into it.


@jtoolman2000

glad to hear that things are working out for you. Curious what software you use. Have to agree that there is an aspect of 'luck invovled.


thanks for the input folks. will report back if I find anything.


neil


(wrote this reply, previewed it but somehow didn't press submit, so apologies to people who posted in the meantime.)

[neilpercy]

tried creating an ISO using IMGTool Classic and burning with DVDDecryptor but no luck. player still reports 'no disc'

that was with a ritek RW disc though, will try it in the morning with a ritek DVD-R when I have to burn anyway, but not hopeful. Maybe just my player ??


will try nero 6.3.03 soon too.

cheers,

neil

[bottle-necked]

I can think of a couple test to try if you want.

1. rip a short vob file from a commercial dvd, author it in Tmpgenc DVD Author and burn on an RW.

2. author that vob again and add one of your mpeg2 processed/captured files in a different track on an RW.

You already know you can rip/shrink/burn commercial dvds and they will work. This will test if you can author a ripped vob file. (a known source). If that plays then it isn't Tmpgenc's fault.

The second test will see if your captured/processed mpeg2 file will play on a known good process. If it doesn't then you suspect your mpeg2 process.

The only think I can see different by what you say is the audio. Your ripped DVDs probably has AC-3 audio, where you MPEG2 files are most likely MPEG1 Layer 2.... Maybe that???

Best of luck.

[neilpercy]

ok, changing to Nero 6.3.03 seems to have done the trick

I have just burned and played back on my Lecson 900 a DVD-R ritek G04 made with the latest nero version and everything is GOOD.

Thank you very much for all the input everyone. I suppose I can't guarantee 100% compatability, but being able to play on my older machine is certainly a good start.

I had a feeling my machine doesn't like RWs, but I will try one burned with Nero later and report. But previously DVD-R wouldn't play either, so things are much better. ( cheers Fozzee)

@ bottlne-necked

I will try your test when I get a moment and report back (although it is slightly academic now )

The audio is Linear PCM 48Khz 16bps btw.


Thanks once again folks - collective knowledge is a wonderful thing


cheers


neil