please make no mistake about it

[el_mondo]

this **** bush is a ******* idiot. you guys would of been better off with that barby doll ken (or woz it goor, or somthing like that). he keeps saying "make no mistake about it" like a fuking puppet. you guys have to rethink your election system before yor country leeds us all into the shit.............

[alucard2050]

el_mondo
i agree, i do here that quote alot. i also think that since the last election the system is going to be adjusted. but most in the U.S. are very pleased now with Bush and alot that voted for Gore are glad that Bush is in office now.

[alucard2050]

i personally don't know how Gore would have reacted to this. when i think of Gore i think of 2 things, 1. All the crap that clinton did and 2. when i was in high school i was a heavy metal addict and i remember his wife trying to stop my from listening to the music i liked. the PMRC....

[el_mondo]

alucard2050,
didnt clinton bring you guys (& the rest off us) out of reccesion into a more prosporus time. (think back 10 years). were on our way back so you might not have to think too long

[alucard2050]

i think he did but like i said, politics havn't been my strongpoint. but let me ask you this, do you think that all this would have been avoided if clinton was still in office?

[Aoshi]

I think you're a fuckin idiot. I also think you're a fudge packer and like it up the ass a lot.

[el_mondo]

your damn right clinton would of hit back but he would of had the confidence of the rest of the world!!! bush doesent....he's week

[el_mondo]

and now he's crying to his mummy, he's the fuge packer!!

[Kdiddy]

ummmmm no he wouldnt, he was the same one that after they blew up 2 of our embassies, to ONLY launch cruise missles from a ship 2000 miles away...yeah real brave, and a lot of good it did too...he was too busy getting his knob slob on than to worry about what Bin Laden, which is why 9/11 happened anyway, crawl back into your whole ya toothless brit and lets us worry about our national politics.

[alucard2050]

i have to agree with kdiddy on the clinton thing. though you do have some points el_mondo...........

[el_mondo]

kiddy,
to quote:

'crawl back into your whole ya toothless brit and lets us worry about our national politics'

My sentiments exactly you should worry about sorting your own shit out before geting involved with other's. have a fuckin nail bomb blow up in your own city & feel it !!!
Taste the blood....(IRA 98 nail bomb in soho london)

[d4n13l]

IRA - State sponsored terrorists. The state? The US.

[thxkid]

The brits have no room to talk they would be all speaking german fight now if we would not have bailed thier sorry asses out 60 years ago and never a thank you either, gave them our money, are mens lives and for what, get crapped on.
Bill clinton was a sexes idiot and Gore was a sore loser.
The brits say Bush no acting fast enough, umm took them 6 years with our help to kick the germans out of europe, so we have 5 years and 11 months to go to be as good as the brits and rest of the wussy europeans.

[monsoon01]

my county is better than ur country

[bilbogod]

oh what the hell - heres my ten pence worth!
In the short term war may be seen to achieve something, In the long term it rarely does. Whilst there's inequality in the world perceived or otherwise, conflict will always be simmering under the surface. I can't help wondering, what world reaction would have been if Bush had refused to retaliate, aplologised for some of the wests shortcomings,and extended an olive branch to what is a very embittered nation. O.k this will never happen, and is far too difficult for any nation revealing its adolescent birth pangs via an impressive array of weaponry. Pacify the people in the here and now, or achieve something our future ancestors can look back on in pride?

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[d4n13l]

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The brits have no room to talk they would be all speaking german fight now if we would not have bailed thier sorry asses out 60 years ago and never a thank you either, gave them our money, are mens lives and for what, get crapped on.
Bill clinton was a sexes idiot and Gore was a sore loser.
The brits say Bush no acting fast enough, umm took them 6 years with our help to kick the germans out of europe, so we have 5 years and 11 months to go to be as good as the brits and rest of the wussy europeans.
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Chances are YOU too would be speaking German if it werent for the Russians. They did far more than the US and Britain - 20 Million Soviets died (WW2 claimed 55 Million in total - the jews make up 6 million of that). How many British/Americans died?
Or is expecting an American to credit the Russians with anything too much, I thought the cold war was over now. Learn your facts; the US did not win the war by themselves, it was the Allies that won, Britain, Russia, USA and all of the underground resistance in the occupied countries. If Britain had not stood its ground and Hitler didnt invade Russia then europe would have been under the control of the Nazis. It wouldnt have been a very comfortable posistion to be in for America with a Nazi europe allied with Japan now would it?
Furthermore who cares anymore, its only a damn country, our governments get up to all kind of shit, why idolise a flag? Its 60 year old news and scoring cheap shots isnt that clever... including my cheap shots, hehe. Sorry.

[d4n13l]

Oh yeah... Bush. Geoorrrrge "Dubya" Bush. That corrupt ass Texan puppet, the one who admitted that he has no interst in "foreign affairs" (turned out to be ironic didnt it?). All he ever does is read out some speech that an Ivory educated shadow has written for him to read the world, he is weak. The guy knows SHIT about foreign policy... this is where Britain comes to the aid of the US - DIPLOMACY. They would have no one to hold their hand in the Middle East if it werent for Britains diplomatic ties out there.
Make no mistake about it...
Why is it that citizens of this world are allowed by some to criticize everybody else apart from Bush? Basically, this guy is a WORLD leader, so everybody has the right to say what they want about him.

[pacmania_2001]

You think that people would be nicer to each other seeing that we are helping each other in this war.

[el_mondo]

quote

'would not have bailed thier sorry asses out 60 years ago'

well I have mention that Britain has never lost a war, how many have the yanks lost? we held hittlar at bay for 3 years, we would of got him one way or another with or without the americans (he over streched his forces) he let himself get beeten without knowing it.

[d4n13l]

Britain have lost a few wars... most of them civil wars, LOL!

[yukoncornel]

My 2 cents:
The erosion of the U.S. Military under Clinton is a fact that I witnessed first hand. I served Under Reagan (do More with More), then Bush #1 (do More with Less), and finally Clinton (do Less with Less... I feel your pain... lets start the healing, etc, etc.).

Bill Clinton and his "Vote for me and I'll give you something for nothing" promises have done nothing but hurt this country. It especially upsets me when he gives himself credit for the good economy we enjoyed for years, or when the public gives him the same credit for that matter. The way I see it, Clinton was not around during the Cold War, the subsequent fall of the Berlin Wall, and the opening of the Global Markets that resulted. Yet everyone including himself think he should get credit for this. The boom in technology, and the demand for small, nifty gadgets (cel phones, Palm Pilots, Gameboys, Laptops, etc.) that our large populace could spend their collective disposable income on, coupled with the newly emerged Global Economy, and many other factors are what has fueled the economy and lifted our nations prosperity. I am sorry, but Bill Clinton did NOT invent the wireless communications industry, and Al Gore did NOT invent the Internet. They did , however, come into office at a time when the policies of others were begginning to show their benefit economically, and Bill and Al were quick to take the credit. Didn't anyone notice that our current economy started slowing down practically the week Bush #2 took office? I am sorry, but his policies (which he hadn't had the time to make any yet, by the way) don't work that fast. The downhill economic slide had been put in motion way before Dubya showed up to take over the job.

And a second point:
I don't think a man, that as Governor, used his state police to find him chicks for his jacuzzi parties, is someone we can be proud to say is our president. What do I tell my son? "Well boy, when Abe Lincoln was young he used to walk 5 miles in the snow to get to school every day. And when Billl Clinton was a president, he used to fly Air Force One 5000 miles to meet his girlfriends for a quickie". Like it or not, the President should be both a role model, as well as a positive figurehead for the country he or she represents. With all the effort taken to shield information from the public, I can guarantee you that for one of Clinton's indecent or corrupt acts that made the headlines, there were 20 more that we never heard about.

Say what you want about Bush #2, but I will point out that as a president he has stayed out of trouble, and surrounded himself with very experienced people whose distinguished public service go back to when many of us were still in diapers. Is it possible that President Bush and the current administration are involved in shady dealings and covert hijinks sometimes bordering on the illegal???? Sure. The things that go on at such a high level of government and power are the things the average American can only imagine, and even then the imagination will fall short of reality.

My last point:
Back in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, etc. we in the United States have been fortunate enough to be beyond the physical reach of those that would do us harm. We, as a country, cannot fathom what the Soviets and British went through as bad guys marched on Stalingrad or sent rockets flying into London. What we experienced on September 11th falls so much short of what our closest allies have gone through, but I am sure the taste it gave us was not pleasant. I think that we need to understand that technology, communications, and other changes have made those geographic boundaries that once protected us seem that much smaller, and that alone is enough to quit ignoring the fact that some people out there in the world just plain don't like us. With a bit of money and ingenuity, a small group of people were able to inflict a substantial amount of damage on us physically, economically, and politically. And it was all done from caves in Afghanistan and from other impoverished, barren and shadowy places. People in general do not like change, and George Bush has the unenviable job of keeping public support going for a war that nobody will want to accept because it will mean accepting that the world isn't the same anymore... US citizens don't want to know that we are part of the rest of the world now. So at least give Bush a break for being in the wrong place at the right time, and we will reserve judgement for him until 10 years from now when the dust has settled enough for us to look back objectively and see what his actions or inactions accomplished.

[speedy]

How quick people forget. Prior to 9/11 Bush was seen as a bungling amateur that not only didn't know who many of the political leaders in distant countries were, he didn't even know where many of the countries were on a map.

In less than a year in office he managed to piss off just about every country on the planet including allies. At home the economy was in a tail spin, he was engaged in the typical fighting with democrats, his appointments were stalled in the Senate and he was headed for a for sure one term presidency.

Bush came across as nervous, stiff, arrogant and incompetent. Then two planes crashed in the World Trade Center and fate handed Bush was he needed to save his presidency... a war.

While the event was a terrible tragedy, for better or worse is has propelled Bush into a role that only time will tell if he's capable of filling.

History shows that US presidents during war rise to the occasion. It was true for Lincoln and Truman, it remains to be seen if Bush is made of the same stuff.

[TIbrO]

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What about the "Revolutionary War" that the USA fought against Great Britain? Hehe... there's another one.

I don't want to start anything! I am just saying this, because I thought that el_mondo's "well I have mention that Britain has never lost a war, how many have the yanks lost?" was wrong... Hehe...

[frodobagins]

el mondo is a perfect example of "democrats by default" in this country. uneducated, double digit IQ, fast food eating ADD media products that need to be told what to do and how to think- by the government. Hey mondo, toss us some more of your witty profanity ridden dribble- I'm impressed and amused.

kudos to yukoncornel...

btw- the current economic slump is a result of clinton and his followings half-assed legislation and policies. True to form, ignorant slobs like el mondo can't see beyond the next episode of Baywatch, and can't possibly understand long term effects. How could President Bush be responsible for an economy, when he hasn't gotten one single economic legislative issue passed yet?

Try turning off your local news channel, and stephanopolous, and think for yourself.

[d4n13l]

TIbrO, the Revolutionary war could be classed as a civil war, the "ex-British" Vs Britain, British rebels basically. The Brits love a good scrap.

Wars can be convienient political weapons for politicians, however it is really a one sided war, Bush will doubtless gain public opinion because of it. However, public opinion is fickle and the next election is years away, only time will tell...

[marvel2020]

STFU the lot of you.

Enough said.

[yukoncornel]

Frodobagins... Thanks for the validation.

Marvel2020... Ouch.

The rest of you... hope your VCD's are going well.

[TIbrO]

Yeah, I jus tried TSCV two days ago, and the chapters and menus work awesome on my Apex AD703!!
TSCV is the only way to go now for me. I only use Nero for Audio CDs and normal CD Burning now, and I used to use it because it would burn VCDs EZCD couldn't burn.
So yeah, you could say that my VCDs are going well.


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Ah, d4n13l, you got me there!
Hehe....

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