LOL!

[DereX888]

[drewson99]

I don't get it. ?

[garryheather]

I don't get it either - what's so funny about that ? Some drives DO need updating before using 4x media. Mine was one of them.

Now if that is printed on ALL of the discs in a pack of 100, then that would be funny...

[sitlet]

yeah i dont get it either. most 4x dvdrs that you buy in the stores come with that warning

[jaxxboss]

whats really funny is that i just bought a 3 pack of memorex 4x dvd's and remember looking at this label today. Anyway, i burnt one and it took an hour to burn!! Freaking memorex! I hate tehm, and yes, my drive writes 4x both + and -.

[DereX888]

My first drive was A103. It died within few days after burning maybe 10 discs. It took more than half a year to get refund from Pioneer (I didnt want to have any Pioneer product again). And no, it didnt die because of lack of firmware upgrade - that Im sure.
I find it very funny that 2 years later there is this kind of warning attached to *blanks* while it should have been attached to the drive by its manufacturer rather.
BTW - I have never seen this kind of warning before, it was emailed to me lately and I thought I'll post it here as a curiosity.

[bucsfan97]

I find it very funny that 2 years later there is this kind of warning attached to *blanks* while it should have been attached to the drive by its manufacturer rather.
BTW - I have never seen this kind of warning before, it was emailed to me lately and I thought I'll post it here as a curiosity.

I'm fairly certain the reason it wasn't attached to the drive is cause there wasn't 4x media when the drive was made...

[garryheather]

Correct - 4x media does not conform to the write strategies previously approved by the relevant forums and manufacturers, so an update had to be released.

It is a well known fact crystal balls are not regularly used in the design process of most hardware manufacturers.

[tompika]

I find it very funny that 2 years later there is this kind of warning attached to *blanks* while it should have been attached to the drive by its manufacturer rather.
BTW - I have never seen this kind of warning before, it was emailed to me lately and I thought I'll post it here as a curiosity.

I'm fairly certain the reason it wasn't attached to the drive is cause
there wasn't 4x media when the drive was made...

LOL! The Great Compatibility Tester haven't thought about that...

BTW Check any manufacturers website, this warning must be there...

And hey:
Dont forget to look for a firmware update before using 8xDVDR media in your LG4040 .

[JohnnyCNote]

Vozmutitel'no!

That's "disgraceful" for the rest of youse. It just sounds better in Russian...

[bucsfan97]

I find it very funny that 2 years later there is this kind of warning attached to *blanks* while it should have been attached to the drive by its manufacturer rather.
BTW - I have never seen this kind of warning before, it was emailed to me lately and I thought I'll post it here as a curiosity.

I'm fairly certain the reason it wasn't attached to the drive is cause
there wasn't 4x media when the drive was made...

LOL! The Great Compatibility Tester haven't thought about that...

BTW Check any manufacturers website, this warning must be there...

And hey:
Dont forget to look for a firmware update before using 8xDVDR media in your LG4040 .

BTW I hope you are taking my sarcasm as exactly that.... I was trying to be nice...

[DereX888]

sarcasm? where ?? LOL!
4x media were already available in 2002 with first 4x drives (if not earlier), while 2x-only drives were still being made until middle of 2003 afaik.
I happened to have luck (or no luck?) to never see such inserts, and I still find it very funny, not only the insert itself, but the fact that they are still included NOWADAY - when no one is making any 2x-only drives.

Yeah, tompika may post now his usual moronic reply like "The Great Compatibility Tester haven't thought its an old stock of blanks" or something like this... whatever, like I care what morons think lol (BTW your +R crap still stinks it will go out of market even faster than -R, I can even take $ bets now).
Moderator will probably close this thread now... oh well not that I start going personal first here, so dont blame me

[indolikaa]

DVD-R sucks.

[DereX888]

BTW:

@tompika

thanx for being such an avid reader of my posts
It really means alot to have steady base of fans who'll always follow you no matter what, regardless of subject or its importance.
If I ever give out any reader's awards I assure you - you will get at least 2 of them: for being my most constant follower, and for making the least sense in the most posts... too bad I had no time to check all of ~2000 posts/year you made, but those few I read spoke for the rest of them enough .

[bucsfan97]

I still find it very funny, not only the insert itself, but the fact that they are still included NOWADAY - when no one is making any 2x-only drives.

Even though nobody is still making those drives, there are people out there with 2x drives in thier computers ( believe it or not ) & would you believe that they are trying to protect thier butts so they don't mess up too many of those POS drives...

[indolikaa]

Hey tompika, did he just take the jam out of your donut?

[tompika]

Hey tompika, did he just take the jam out of your donut?

Yeah but it felt good...

[DereX888]

indolikaa how is your capture with AIW 9000 on your Athlon 1200? Specifically I wanna know can you go for dvd-compliant capping?

(its a legit question aside of our discussions, my friend found AIW 9k on special somewhere and wanna buy it for his same Athlon machine, but my own experience with AIW8500 & Athlon 1.4G was lots of dropped frames @720x480, so...).

tia

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edit: my mistake - it supposed to be pvt msg to indolikaa, sorry every1

[tompika]

edit: my mistake - it supposed to be pvt msg to indolikaa, sorry every1

No problem, this thread is useless anyway...

[indolikaa]

DereX888,

I can reach 4500 VBR or 5000 CBR (with the Athlon 1200) before I start having picture problems, but I don't have any dropped frames issues.

Generally, these are the settings I use for DVD captures:

* MPEG-2 @ 720x480 or 352x480 with 16-Bit 48kHz PCM Audio
* Encode Interlaced
* 1I 2P 2B GOPs
* VBR up to 3750/4500 Max or CBR up to 5000 Max
* Motion Estimate Quality of 98

I have two hard drives. The first is a triple-boot OS with WinME and two different Win2000 Pro loads, while the second is a single-partition NTFS drive.

The first Win2000 Pro load is optimized for video capture, and the captures are stored on the secondary drive. Both drives are Primary on their own channels; the optical drives are on a separate controller.

I've never dropped frames, even on VCR transfers.

[DereX888]

tompika wrote:

No problem, this thread is useless anyway...

Jesus @#$#@ Christ! Im in shock!
I never thought I would live the day when I'd agree with your post!

[bucsfan97]

Both drives are Primary on their own channels; the optical drives are on a separate controller.

You say you have your optical drives on a controller card??? You dont have problems with that??? How do you copy CD's (on the fly or image to HD)???

[indolikaa]

Easy.

ATI captures at Indolikaa's Ranch are currently handled by an Asus A7V133 with the Promise ATA/100 RAID 0 controller. Notice I didn't say 'controller card' I said 'controller' instead?

I run the hard drives on the ATA/100 controller (not in RAID configuration) and the opticals on the Northbridge/Southbridge chipset.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm showing an MSI Turbo2 in my profile. And I've previously confessed to retiring this Asus board. Well, the wife shit-canned my most recent hardware shopping list until the spring, so I had to bring some older stuff out of retirement. That means stealing the board from my neighbor while he's on extended holiday in Finland. Bollocks!

[DereX888]

@ indolikaa

great thx for info.
Now that I think of it Im rather sure that I also didnt have dropped frames only but some other problems at higher bitrates (pixelation or picture artifacting from bad encoding IIRC), only D2 capping was OK. I wasn't able to cap at VBR SVCD specs either, only CBR.
Anyway my athlon 1.4 was also too slow for AIW8500 to do "usual" dvd-spec capping, and it seems it would be the same case with my friend's AIW9000 Well, its his fault - shouldve buy P4 1.4 instead (Im j/k ofcoz, P4 + Rambus was a small fortune back then )

[bucsfan97]

My bad I missunderstood ... I was wondering how that would work for you..

[tompika]

tompika wrote:

No problem, this thread is useless anyway...

Jesus @#$#@ Christ! Im in shock!
I never thought I would live the day when I'd agree with your post!

Its not that useless anymore since you hijacked your own "LOL!" thread.

Capturing is much more interesting than the original subject was...

[indolikaa]

She-it!

Who'd've thunk my poor little Athlon 1200s would still be going just fine into 2004? And for digital video work, no less!

[DereX888]

hehe my 2001 built P4 box with AIW7200 is still my main home PVR too And I thought I will get rid of it once I get newer CPU or AIW.... somehow most of them newer ones came and gone, but that box is still here lol I only swapped P4 1.4 for 2.4 since I had one unused in the drawer

[DereX888]

@indolikaa

I just noticed: VBR 3750avg/4500max @720x480 ?
Seems very low to me, suits more like for B&W movies... got any screencap of any high motion scene capped at this?

[indolikaa]

Sports? With that bitrate?

Nothing Full-D1 right at the moment, but I do have a Half-D1 capture with some interesting settings. However...


MPEG-2, 352x480, VBR 0/3250/3500, 1-2-2 GOPs

...it was encoded interlaced from DirecTV. The motion scenes have the usual interlacing stripes, and they look horrible on the compuer monitor. This is the best you'll get for the moment.

Can somebody remind me how to take an interlaced image and un-interlace it? Ah, hell. It's been 18 hours since I've slept. Bollocks, I'll deal with this tomorrow!