HELP! with bad picture during MOTION

[Augster]

I am sure I am messing up one setting somewhere, so hopefully someone will be able to help!

I have experimented with the same clip a whole bunch of different ways. I am trying to find the best quality/time/MB ratio for my captures from VHS to DVD. Anyway, I have made a bunch of different captures and compresses and am only having trouble when I watch on TV. Here it is:

I capture at 720x480 in VirtualVCR with Huffyuv2.2. Edit in Premiere 6.5, Compress in TMPGencPlus! and Author in TMPGauthor. That's my process. I'm sure it's something I am doing in TMPGplus. I make my clips, and test them. I am in the US, so NTSC. When I watch the DVD in PowerDVD on the computer, I have no problem at all. Same as during the entire process, no picture problems on the computer. When I go to my DVD player and play it, whenever the camera pans/zooms/follows the action I get full bars of blurryness evenly spaced horizontally across the screen. The blur is horizontal, the bars are vertical. When the video is still, it isn't there. I have tried Field A and Field B and both are doing this, so I'm sure it's a setting somewhere else.

This is my first experience with VirtualVCR. My Premiere won't let me capture at 720x480, only 320x240. YUCK! I have done a lot of captures in premiere, at that resolution, and never had this problem.

Any ideas are very, very welcome! I am running out of DVD's running these tests.

Augster

[teegee420]

Try changing the field order in TMPGEnc.

[Augster]

I don't think that's it. I've done a whole lot of different compresses, with Field A and Field B and it's still there.

I'm out of DVDR's now. I am thinking that maybe it's a bad capture, but I NEVER see these lines when I play it on the computer either in PowerDVD, WMP, Premiere, VirtualDub, anything. Only on the TV. It's just really strange that it wouldn't show up until it's on the TV. And it's SO bad you can't ignore it.

This sucks.

Any more ideas? Always appreciated.

Waiting for my new 50pack of Ritek's from Newegg.

Augster

[teegee420]

This probably isn't it either but are you encoding as progressive instead of interlaced?

[Augster]

I'm encoding interlaced. The ONLY things I did differently, besides raising the resolution to 720x480 from 320x240 was I used VirtualVCR instead of Premiere for capture and I also used Huffy during capture instead of no compression.

Like I said though, on the computer, it looks just fine in any program I use to play it at any stage. Even completed running the contents of the Video_TS folder, or even the burned DVD in PowerDVD it looks just fine. Then I get it on my TV, and I have these problems.

I am quite stumped. I don't know what else to try except for maybe a no compression capture with virtual vcr. Then if that doesn't work, maybe a different program. But it's impossible for me to tell when the trouble occurs because it always looks good on the computer. Capture in Premiere at 320x240 then compressed in TMPGencPlus had no problems and looked good. Or, as good as a 320x240 DVD can look. It's a bit fuzzy in case you were wondering. LOL!

Thanks for any and all ideas.

[Augster]

HELP!

Since I last posted, it hasn't gotten any better, but I've changed A LOT of things.

I bought a Sony TRV-33 and record the VCR to MINI DV on the Sony. Then I capture in Premiere via firewire. Edit and whatnot and Export in AVI. TMPGenc Plus! to Compress the video, then out to TMPG DVD author. I STILL GET THE SAME STUPID LINES DURING ANY MOTION!!! This is really, really, really pissing me off now. I did 6 different tests with different settings in TMPG and I still get the same motion problem no matter what the hell I do! Field A, Field B, Clip/No Clip, CBR/CQ, Noise Reduction/no noise reduction, Highest motion/motion estimate etc. etc. etc. No matter what I do I still get the lines.

The next thing I am thinking is that Premiere exports the file at 720x486. WHY? Then if I just try to leave it alone in TMPG, It gives me an invalid resolution error. I then move the resolution down to 720x480. This is the ONLY thing that has remained a constant through all of my testing. TMPG won't recognize a 720x486 file. While I'm working in Premiere, it's a720x480, that's what it's captured at. Then on export, all of a sudden, it's 720x486 and TMPG won't take it without manually changing it. WHY IS THIS? And, IS THIS THE PROBLEM? Anyone else using Premiere and does this happen to you?

I don't know. ANY help is greatly appreciated. After doing all these test, I know for a FACT it's not my equipment, it has to be something during the process software related. As I said in a previous post, ALL test samples look good on the computer, so there is NO WAY to tell if the lines are going to appear until I pop it in my DVD PLAYERS. Plural.

Thanks.

Augster

[johns0]

What bitrate are you encoding at and are you watching the encoded files on your computer or are they already burned to dvd when you get the lines?

[sacajaweeda]

Are you adding borders to your vertical resolution in Premiere? If you are capturing at 720x480 and the exported file from Premiere is 486 tall instead of 480 lines, something is definitely set wrong.

[Augster]

Thanks for the replies!

Bitrates in TMPG, I have tried CBR 8000, and CQ 100 8000/3000. Same shit. I can watch everyfile I have played with without a single problem on the computer. It only shows up when I try to watch it on a standalone DVD player on the TV.

In Premiere, I "don't think" I am adding borders or anything. At least I'm not TRYING TO! LOL! All I am doing in Premiere, besides capture, is doing some editing, fades, and some titles. Every time I have exported it, for some reason, exports at 720x486. Any ideas why? If anyone reading this is using Premiere, could you try a capture of about a minute or whatever at 720x480, then do a File-Export and see if it stays in 720x480? If so, I'll look at Premiere as the culprit.

Any help, always appreciated.

[bugster]

I don't capture in Premiere, I capture DV using DVIO and then edit the avi in premiere. Just make sure the project is set to DV (NTSC) 720 * 480 when you start premiere and this should work fine.

I suggest you concentrate on fixing the lines/blurring before doing any editing.

Try a capture with DVIO, select type-2 avi. Encode this to mpeg-2 with TmpGenc, bottom field first, CBR 8000. It should look great. Oh, set source aspect ratio to 4:3 525 line (NTSC, 704x480). I know this seems wrong but for my PAL captures I use the equivalent PAL setting (after reading a post on here about this) and it works great for me. Also Video arrange method to full screen (keep aspect ratio).

Try this and see how it goes.

[Augster]

Thanks for the help! I figured it out. There was some erroneus setting in Premiere making it 720x486 on the export. I changed that to 720x486 and everything works just swimmingly. I wish I had noticed it sooner. 30 DVDR's ago would have been nice. LOL!

I have a different problem now, but that is a question for yet another thread.