New England Patriots best football team ever in the NFL

[rallynavvie]

FYI there were league championships before the Super Bowl

Green Bay was league champions 12 times. Who was next after that?
There's a reason they call Green Bay "Titletown". Silly fairweather football fans

[indolikaa]

There have only been two dynasties in the sports world at some point in their history: the Montreal Canadiens NHL team, and the UCLA Bruins men's basketball program.

OK, I don't have an argument with the Green Bay Packers. There was football before the NFL.

Suggesting that the words of Chris Collinsworth should be taken at face value just because he played in the NFL is ludicrous.

[Hatz]

There have only been two dynasties in the sports world at some point in their history: the Montreal Canadiens NHL team, and the UCLA Bruins men's basketball program.

So you are saying the Boston Celtics were never a dynasty team? 8 championships in a row.....16 champsionships overall.....3 different championship eras....and not a dynasty? If anything these guys are the definition of a dynasty.

I agree the Packers in the early days of football were a dynasty team as well....but so where the other teams that had numerous championships(more than 2).

As for anyone actually listening to that Cris Collinsworth statement is just stupid. Sounds to me like he took too many shots to the head. If he honestly said that....which I am not even sure he did but I will give you the benefit of the doubt, then he is the only sports pundant I have heard say that in the last 3 weeks and I do watch a pretty heafty amount of sports shows. Lets face it.....2 championships in 3 years does not make you a dynasty team.

And just because Cris Collinsworth played in the NFL does not give him anymore credibility than anyone else. OJ Simpson played in the NFL and he cut his wifes head off.


Hatz

[Ripper2860]

Agreed -- if you factor in pre-Superbow; Era -- Greenbay is a Dynasty.

As for Chris being the sole authority capable of determining whether a team is a Dynasty -- I have no answer. I have not seen any other sports authorities -- ex jocks or otherwise step forward and declare the Pat's a Dynasty.

I'm sorry -- I have nothing against the Pat's. They are a great team. They have not established the LONG-TERM dominance required to earn the Dynasty title. I'd have the same opinion if someone tried to hang the "D" word on the Broncos -- ex-jock or otherwise!!

We agree to disagree -- but I doubt you will find a majortiy that agrees with you.

[spiderman2k1]

Ever one in Boston agrees there a Dynasty team. And yes the Boston Celtics
are the best dynasty team of all time. But when other people talk about Dynasty team it's different for alot of people. The Pat's made it to the Super Bowl three time's and won two of them. To young people that's a Dynasty team people have not been born can not see the other Dynasty team. They only hear about what other people have said or watch some sport's documentary. Some people that are old also see them as a Dynasty team. Some Dynasty team are bigger then other Dynasty team's.

This is what I think make's a Dynasty team. And some people might not like or care how I write this. But when your team is very hot and every one want a Tom Brady. Adn thing are going right for your team. And sale's are up. And every one now want's to watch Pat's football and I'm not talking about the local game's that get shown only in New England. I'm talking about CBS or FOX show that Pat's play some other team and every one in the country want's to watch them play that's a Dynasty team. It's a Dynasty team that can grow or fall but's its a start of a Dynasty team. but time will tell how far it will go.

[Hatz]

HAHAHAHAHAH spiderman....that is rich....it really is. If you think that is what makes a dynasty team.....being a hot team for 2 years and having sales up then at one point or another, every team has been a dynasty team. Your definition of a dynasty team is just plain wrong.

hahahaha I am still laughing at it.

Now what makes a team a dynasty team is the ability to win season after season. Not only with one group of people like Tom Brady, but with different star players and different coaches. Like the Celtics for example, they had 3 different eras of championships. All with different coaches and players. THAT IS A DYNASTY.

And if you are saying that they are a dynasty because you arent old enough to remember past teams, then perhaps you shouldn't be saying which teams are dynasties and which teams aren't.

Your own Boston Globe writer said that the Patriots aren't a dynasty. I don't think the majority of Boston would agree with you on the Pats being one.

2 championships in 3 years does not make a dynasty.........it makes a good team yes.....possibly even a great team.....but no dynasty.

As for everyone in the country watching them.......Networks are obligated to show the Super Bowl champs play. But remember, not everyone sees the same games on the same channels. While Fox might be showing the Pats game on the East Coast, they might be showing the Denver game on the west coast.....its all about region. It's what those viewers in that area want to see.

So while you caught every Pats game on TV this year....I didn't. I did see every Broncos game though. It's all what the networks decide to play.

[NamDekan]

Collinsworth said that winning 2 super bowls in the last 3 years is as close to a dynasty as we have seen in this day and age, mainly talking over the last couple years when its been a revolving door of teams. Falcons, Ravens, Giants, Rams, Titans, Bucs, Raiders going to the super bowl but none have repeated. Maybe the patriots will be a dynasty if they keep this up like the Steelers teams of the 70's, 49ers of the 80's, Cowboys to an extent in the early 90's and Green Bay in the 60's.

That Super Bowl though could have went anyway, the Patriots didnt capitalize from what i was seeing. Delhome was what 1-9 for negative yards throughout what? the first 25 minutes and his offense had negative yards i believe, and the score was 0-0. NFC was just weak this year, not saying the Patriots are bad, because they came out of a tough AFC. Now if they can maintain this and not loose players to free agency and what not, and avoid any devestating injuries.

[spiderman2k1]

"Hatz" I'm not a little kid but making a point on how other people see the Pat's. And if you look at the last ten year's of what the Pat's have done there a Dynasty team. The rest of the NFL is now looking at the Pat's all tring to be like the Pat's. Three year's ago when the Pat's won there first Super Bowl big under dog's and how did they come out. They came out as one team. The Ram thought the game was finish even before they got to the Super Bowl. Jst watch the PAt's will win next year's Super Bowl also.

[jeex]

pats suck, where's my dvd-r of the superbowl last sunday?

[Hatz]

"Hatz" I'm not a little kid but making a point on how other people see the Pat's. And if you look at the last ten year's of what the Pat's have done there a Dynasty team. The rest of the NFL is now looking at the Pat's all tring to be like the Pat's. Three year's ago when the Pat's won there first Super Bowl big under dog's and how did they come out. They came out as one team. The Ram thought the game was finish even before they got to the Super Bowl. Jst watch the PAt's will win next year's Super Bowl also.

I am sorry but winning 2 super bowls in the last ten years does not make you a dynasty team at all. Am I really the only one that can see this? Out of 70 some odd years the league has been around and 38 superbowls......they win it 2 times and you say they are a dynasty. Come on dude.......you have to be smarter than that.

The only thing other teams are trying to do that the Pats did this year is go to the super bowl and win.........you dont see them having the same playbook, coaching styles, picking the same positions in the draft picks. Hate to break it to you but not every team is trying to be like the Pats.

As far as predicting them being the Super Bowl champs for next year.......that is a very bold comment........who knows what will happen in these up coming months or even games next year. For all we know, the pats could come in dead last next year. You dont know, I dont know, NO ONE KNOWS. So pretty much you making that assumption has as much weight as Michael Jackson saying he doesn't molest boys.

Out of this whole entire thread......you are the only one that has said they are a dynasty and the best football team ever. 12 other people have disagreed with you. Don't you think you are being just a tad bit stubborn on this one? Grant it, they are your favorite team and you love them and want to support them......but come on dude, look at the facts and compare them to teams of the past. They don't hold a candle to some other teams and their accomplishments.

Hatz

[Ripper2860]

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[Ripper2860]

winning 2 super bowls in the last 3 years is as close to a dynasty as we have seen in this day and age

Just when I though Chris Collingsworth was a moron it turns out he said the above and TOTALLY redeems himself! The operative word in his statement is CLOSE -- as in not quite there. He played professional football and says the Pat's are as close as you can get in this day and age.

Your former football player expert agrees with the rest of us. They are good, even great -- but they are not a Dynasty. Almost -- but not yet.

[Tommyknocker]

And since Cris Collinsworth came as close as one can to winning a Super Bowl without really winning one, I guess he should know what he is talking about!

[indolikaa]

indolikaa wrote:
There have only been two dynasties in the sports world at some point in their history: the Montreal Canadiens NHL team, and the UCLA Bruins men's basketball program.


So you are saying the Boston Celtics were never a dynasty team? 8 championships in a row.....16 champsionships overall.....3 different championship eras....and not a dynasty? If anything these guys are the definition of a dynasty.

I will now add the Boston Celtics to the list. I'm not a big follower of the NBA but you have made a fair comparison to the Canadiens, the Bruins, and the Packers.

Ever one in Boston agrees there a Dynasty team.

And I'm sure anybody in Tucson, Arizona will tell you Lute Olson has created a dynasty down there, too.

The opinions of the hometown fans mean jack shit. Everybody will always root, cheer and beautify their own. It's when the rest of the world starts to think along similar lines that you can begin to consider the 'D' word.

Now, if New England can win, let's say, two of the next three Super Bowls, I'll start buying into this theory. Until then, bollocks.

.indolikaa.
I have two vehicles,
They both have UofA license plates,
We are not a dynasty,
Just a very good program.

[stiltman]

I have two vehicles,
They both have UofA license plates,
We are not a dynasty,
Just a very good program.

Trying to keep my mouth shut on this one

[indolikaa]

Trying to keep my mouth shut on this one

Bring it on. I can take it.

[rallynavvie]

I have to thank the Pats for their astonishingly great performance in Superbowl XXXI in 1997 though. I think the MVP of that game was a kick returner it was so ludicrous

Coincidentally I'll be getting my season tickets for my favorite football team in 21 years, less if a lot of people in line start to croak. How long does it take to get season tickets for the Pats?

[dafoe]

That's a rather bold statement to be making even if you are a diehard Pats fan. First off you're damn lucky the team that the Pats played Sunday wasn't the Colts from the previous two playoff games otherwise you would've got a sound whuppin'. To go from 2 of 2 postseason games with no punts, no interceptions, a near perfect passer rating, and no fouls to what the Colts did Sunday was astounding to say the least. The Pats played well but won because the Colts fell apart for whatever reason.

Are you serious?! The Pats didn't play the "real" Colts? Then who the hell did they play? Were the Colts players possesed by aliens before the game?

Look, the Colts have a very good offense. That offense was made to look even better when it faced two of the worst defenses in football.

The Chiefs? I'm pretty sure David Wells could get smashed, and in a drug/alchol induced haze, stack up 200 yards on the ground against the Chiefs who tackle less often than Warren Sapp says something intelligent.

The Colts faced two horrible defenses and did what any good offense should do- put up points. A lot of points.

They finally play a team with a defense, that team shuts them down and it's still all about the Colts. Give me a break

The Patriots simply proved an age old cliche- great defense beats great offense.

Remember the last time the Colts beat the Patriots? I don't. As a matter of fact, the Patriots have won the majority of the Pats/Colts games over the last several years for the same reason they won the AFC Championship because they were/are the better team. Deal with it.

As for the undefeated Dolphins team- that was before my time so I can't compare anything but stats. Try this one on for size- Wins vs winning teams: Patriots 10 Dolphins 2

I don't know if the Patriots are great team. They have too many holes on offense. Too many average players. And they need to upgrade.

The Superbowl was a perfect example of this. The Pats offense was so much more explosive with Smith runnung effectively. A gamebreaking RB would have a dramtic impact on what this team is able to do offensively. As would a Marvin Harrison type of WR.

I wouldn't call them a great team. But they are the best TEAM in football and have a very good chance to be again next year assuming they don't do anything stupid like let Ted Waashington walk.

On an unrelated note. 162 games is way too many baseball games for one season. Can we just skip to the part where the Red Sox (The Anti Patriots) lose the ALDS, ALCS or World Series (take your pick) in excruciating fashion.

Maybe this year will be different. Maybe they'll just do it the old fashioned way and takle a run of the mill ass kicking. That would be a nice change of pace. Instead of handing the series over to an inferior team, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory they could just take a 10-1 beating in game 4 of a 4 game sweep. That would be like a breath of fresh air

[Hatz]

HUH?

why did you have to bring this old thread up......I thought we were done with this.

Don't you think that if it was "before your time", then you should probably do some research and understand the whole game of football, including its history before comparing "stats"? Hell, I am only 22 years old and I still know about the Dolphins, early packers, bradshaw and the steelers, montana and the niners.....all those GREAT teams.

Hatz

[MOVIEGEEK]

If you are looking for college dynasties look no further than USC and UCLA.

[dafoe]

HUH?

why did you have to bring this old thread up......I thought we were done with this.

Don't you think that if it was "before your time", then you should probably do some research and understand the whole game of football, including its history before comparing "stats"? Hell, I am only 22 years old and I still know about the Dolphins, early packers, bradshaw and the steelers, montana and the niners.....all those GREAT teams.

Hatz

I just happened to stumble upon this thread while looking for an old post of mine.

I am aware of the 72 Dolphins. and had a chance to see many of the great Niners teams. My HS coach was constantly talking about teams/players from the past.

I played at the HB position in school which is, next to QB, the most demanding position mentally and instinctually on offense, I also, depending on the situation, played CB on defense occasionally. I think I have a pretty good grasp of the game of football.

I was simply responding to a post (about Miami) that seems to have been deleted. I happen to think that Barry Sanders was the best running back to ever play. A lot of people disagree and think that Jim Brown was the best ever. It would be impossible for me to objectively compare the two since I never saw Jim Brown PLAY. I can watch highlights until the end of time and never come to a fair conclusion. Everybody looks good in a highlight film. That's why they're called highlights.

Being aware of a team or player(s) does not qualify you to contrast them. I never said that the 03 Patriots were better than the 72 Dolphins. I only pointed out what seemed like a very lopsided stat.

Furthermore, If you want to make a head to head comparison. There really are only a couple of Dolphins players that get a pass here. Griese was great then and the QB position hasn't really changed much. Although 20 years from now big tall strong athletic QBs like Mcnabb, Vick and Culpepper will probably be the rule rather than the exceptipn. And the kicker- Garo Yepremian. Yes I had to look that one up. . Kicking wasn't as specialized back then as it is now. There were actually kickers who played other positions. I don't know how good this Yepremian guy was but I doubt he was better than Vinatieri who has a chance at making the Hall of Fame.

Let's assume that coaching/ gameplanning is a wash since you have two great coaches on each side. You are now left with the things neccesary to win: intellegence, heart, speed, strength and size..

I can't measure heart and comparing the two teams IQ wise is tough. BUT, the NFL of 72 and 03 are like night and day. The players have grown so much bigger faster and stronger that you now have a QB in Minnesota that could have been a LB in 72.

Do you honestly think yhat Larry Csonka would be a "physical" back today? He would probably be nothing more than a mediocre third stringer.

How many times have we seen this in the pros? Ron Dayne for example. In college Ron Dayne used his superior size and speed to become one of the top backs in college. Once he got to the pros all the linebackers were just as fast as he was. The cornerbackers were faster. He didn't have the footspeed to cut it back. He didn't have the speed to get around the outside and get a physical mismatch with the safeties and cornerbacks in the second level and he ended up on the bench.

It amazes me when I see someone like Deacon Jones on TV. One of the greatest defensive players of all time. They roll his highlight footage and he looks like one of todays cornerbacks as far as size is concerned.

This is a different game today physically. My gut instict is the 72 Dolphins would struggle. But that's my OPINION.

As for the 03 Patriots, I'm just sick of the dissrespect. The national media doesn't faze me. Most of these people have to cover all the NFL teams as well as the other 3 major US sports. It would be unrealistic to expect all of them, or even most of them, to be knowledgeable on all NFL teams. I can understand the lack of education. They don't bother to do the legwork and find out what this team is all about. As a result they say some pretty ignorant things. That really doesn't bother me considering the source.

However. when opposing players come out after losing to them and talk shit. It's really irritating. Twice last year the Titans lost to the Pats. Twice idiot players from the Titans made disrespectfull ignorant comments about the Pats instead of just taking the loss like a man.

In 2001 Kordell Stewart, whose only real talent seems to be convincing desperate coaches the he still has potential, spouted off after the Pats beat the very overrated Steelers. After the game he said "The best team doesn't always win." Youre right Kordell. The best team doesn't always win. Unfortunately for you the 2001 AFC Championship game was not one of those occasions.

These losers weren't man enough to get it done on the field, so they are going to settle the score off it. Pathetic.

I'm tired of all of it. The whiny fans, ignorant sportwriters and sore losers. All of the opinions/comments aren't going change one damn thing. The Patriots are the 2003 World Champions.

[Conquest10]

I happen to think that Barry Sanders was the best running back to ever play. A lot of people disagree and think that Jim Brown was the best ever.

Walter Payton (RIP) is the best running back to ever play.

[dafoe]

Walter Payton the best running back ever? That's a fair suggestion. And I'm sure many people agree with you but I'd still take Barry. I was just using Jim Brown as an example.

[LSchafroth]

There was a superbowl this year??

The pat's make me want to Puke.

LS

[dafoe]

There was a superbowl this year??

The pat's make me want to Puke.

LS

Simple enough solution for that: Don't watch em.

[jeex]

I recorded the SuperBowl on DVD-R all panther fan's can get a copy on DVD-R if they wish to have a copy. LOL

where's my dvd-r of the game??

[spiderman2k1]

"jeex" Thank for calling me a "whore" and trying to take cheep shot

on this post

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161706&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=5160

I was only making a joke if any one watch the Dave Chappelle show on the Comedy Central. And now you ask for a copy of the SuperBowl you never even email me your address so do not post like I own you some thing now. Second you would have to live North Carolina to even be eligible to even receiver a copy.

[indolikaa]

Now was I right or what about the PAT'S. I told ever one that little pussy cat's would lose. I recorded the SuperBowl on DVD-R all panther fan's can get a copy on DVD-R if they wish to have a copy. LOL

Second you would have to live North Carolina to even be eligible to even receiver a copy.

So you've made the offer to distribute freely the copyrighted works of the NFL on a public forum such as this? What do you think this is, KaZaa?

Let me remind you of that little blurb the NFL likes to run in the 3rd quarter of each game. That little monologue about how they own the rights to the broadcast in question, and that any rebroadcast, retransmission or redistribution of such material is prohibited without the express written consent of the NFL. I noticed you didn't post a scan of the permission you received from the NFL to duplicate and distribute their material...

Dumbass.

[spiderman2k1]

"indolikaa" your a dumbass any one with half a brain would no it's only a joke and trash talking. Second do you really think any one for North Carolina would even want a copy? "indolikaa" mind your on business this was betwwen me and jeex and you want to stick your big fat nose in other people's business.

[jeex]

"indolikaa" your a dumbass any one with half a brain would no it's only a joke and trash talking.

first of all its "you're" or "you are", which makes you the dumbass.
remember, they tought us that in 1st grade? oh wait, did your mother make you drop out before then so you could get a job and support all the kids your "uncles" came over and gave her?

Second do you really think any one for North Carolina would even want a copy?

second of all, i am from north carolina.

"indolikaa" mind your on business this was betwwen me and jeex and you want to stick your big fat nose in other people's business.

actually, this is indolikaa's business, we were discussing this and i've hired him as my legal advisor in this matter. i gave him explicit written permission to publicly broadcast, disseminate & reaccount this ongoing situation.

but it still leaves one question, where the **** is my superbowl dvd? you goddamn lying new england bastard.


i will no longer give any comments regarding this situation without my legal counsel being present.. thank you, thats all.