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[Will Hay]

Understand that most people on this site are avid hobbyist and would much rather do themselves and help you learn to do it. They need to understand that the average consumer may not have the time, hardware, or resources, and patients to do it themselves.

I can't speak for the rampant rantings of Alan69 but this is rubbish.
I was joking when I spoke of the "nerds like me and the rest of these (in this thread are) arseholes".
I've been here a while, much longer than my date suggests and I know at least 90% of members are people who don't have the money to pay people to do this.
We're (and I assume you're in the US so I'll use your language) all "regular joe's" who scrape the same dollar each day you do, and save a (seeing as hough I'm in England) try save a few quid doing it themselves.
The benefit for me is two-fold;
1) I produce great DVD's of the first few years of my son and
2) I do it myself, I take a lot of pride in that.

....and would much rather do themselves and help you

I think I understand what his means and if I do then it's frankly bollocks (look it up).

They need to understand that the average consumer may not have the time, hardware, or resources, and patients to do it themselves

I've covered this; but suffice to say, you're an idiot.
We are the average consumer, we know how long it takes and we are prepared to accept anyone into this (dvdrhelp.com) community at whatever level they wish to join.
Well, the more balanced among us are.
I knew **** all before I joined this place, I learnt as much as I wanted, as I needed.
It's the same for everyone; if you want to learn, you will.
This (original author) guy spends money on new hard drives, firewire and encoding software in the purusit of his aim and you bleat on about the folks not bright enough to do this sort of thing?
alan69 is quite right when he says most folk have what they need ot do this kind of thing.
Hell, all you need is a camcorder, a firewire port, a brain and the thirst to learn.
If you don't have all four of those then yes, twitchy, you're absoluteley right, you're fucked and should go waste your money.
Will

[twinches]

[quote="patrickjos"]Well yes, I was aware of these companies ...many of them seem to be more geared toward AnalogVHS-to-DVD conversion. Mini-DV to DVD, of course, is different.


The link to the site that I posted in my above post, does Mini-DV to DVD.

[patrickjos]

Rick,
I'm intensely involved in the many aspects of producing a DVD of an important family event. I posted this thread because I'm evaluating the possibility of having one aspect of that complex process done by someone else who already owns expensive specialized equipment and already knows how to use it efficiently.

Patrick

They need to understand that the average consumer may not have the time, hardware, or resources, and patients to do it themselves.

Well if that is the case, dont you think this is the wrong site to be looking for answers regarding what he is wanting.

SLICK RICK

[SLICK RICK]

I've covered this; but suffice to say, you're an idiot.
We are the average consumer, we know how long it takes and we are prepared to accept anyone into this (dvdrhelp.com) community at whatever level they wish to join.
The more balanced among us are at least.

Well said my friend.

SLICK RICK

[MrMungus]

I don't have this option. Five hrs of ".avi" = about 120G of Hard Drive space.

Five hours of DV .avi = 65gb.
I've been down the analogue to mpeg2 route and trust me, the option you have of:
camcorder > firewire to PC > TMPGEnc Plus >mpeg2 is the easiest process their is.
But like I say, if you want to keep people like me in the money, feel free.
Will

Actually, no, Camera > MPEG-2 capture card > direct to DVD recording (create VOB's on the fly) is the easiest process.

After that is Camera > MPEG-2 capture card > computer > burn to DVD.

I'd say Camera > Firewire > computer > convert > burn is in third place.

[patrickjos]

Thanks very much for all your input, I'll check this out...

The link to the site that I posted in my above post, does Mini-DV to DVD.

[Will Hay]

I don't have this option. Five hrs of ".avi" = about 120G of Hard Drive space.

Five hours of DV .avi = 65gb.
I've been down the analogue to mpeg2 route and trust me, the option you have of:
camcorder > firewire to PC > TMPGEnc Plus >mpeg2 is the easiest process their is.
But like I say, if you want to keep people like me in the money, feel free.
Will

Actually, no, Camera > MPEG-2 capture card > direct to DVD recording (create VOB's on the fly) is the easiest process.

After that is Camera > MPEG-2 capture card > computer > burn to DVD.

I'd say Camera > Firewire > computer > convert > burn is in third place.

Yes, right, okay clever-dick.
Of course you're right.
But with the options open to this guy do you really think this guy is going got invest more money on an mpeg2 card that is up to the job?
Get with the project.
He's talking about shipping four tapes out for someone else to do for fucks sake.
Like I say, well done, take a sweetie out of the jar on your way out.

Will

[MrMungus]

Think for 5 seconds and you'll realize most anyone who needs this already has their own stuff. Expecting that 'Oh there is some little store down the street I can get this done overnight or in an hour' is absurd. If you're lucky, you may actually find someone. But just expecting that there is one is silly considering the small utility of it. Almost no one but you would pay them to do this.

I disagree. Not everyone has the time or inclination to learn. For most people, computers are still no more than the thing you use to get to websites and email.

[MrMungus]

Understand that most people on this site are avid hobbyist and would much rather do themselves and help you learn to do it. They need to understand that the average consumer may not have the time, hardware, or resources, and patients to do it themselves.

I can't speak for the rampant rantings of Alan69 but this is rubbish.
I was joking when I spoke of the "nerds like me and the rest of these (in this thread are) arseholes".
I've been here a while, much longer than my date suggests and I know at least 90% of members are people who don't have the money to pay people to do this.
We're (and I assume you're in the US so I'll use your language) all "regular joe's" who scrape the same dollar each day you do, and save a (seeing as hough I'm in England) try save a few quid doing it themselves.
The benefit for me is two-fold;
1) I produce great DVD's of the first few years of my son and
2) I do it myself, I take a lot of pride in that.

....and would much rather do themselves and help you

I think I understand what his means and if I do then it's frankly bollocks (look it up).

They need to understand that the average consumer may not have the time, hardware, or resources, and patients to do it themselves

I've covered this; but suffice to say, you're an idiot.
We are the average consumer, we know how long it takes and we are prepared to accept anyone into this (dvdrhelp.com) community at whatever level they wish to join.
Well, the more balanced among us are.
I knew **** all before I joined this place, I learnt as much as I wanted, as I needed.
It's the same for everyone; if you want to learn, you will.
This (original author) guy spends money on new hard drives, firewire and encoding software in the purusit of his aim and you bleat on about the folks not bright enough to do this sort of thing?
alan69 is quite right when he says most folk have what they need ot do this kind of thing.
Hell, all you need is a camcorder, a firewire port, a brain and the thirst to learn.
If you don't have all four of those then yes, twitchy, you're absoluteley right, you're fucked and should go waste your money.
Will

And a DVD recorder, the correct settings, lots of hard drive space, and lots of time. Not everybody has that.

[MrMungus]

I don't have this option. Five hrs of ".avi" = about 120G of Hard Drive space.

Five hours of DV .avi = 65gb.
I've been down the analogue to mpeg2 route and trust me, the option you have of:
camcorder > firewire to PC > TMPGEnc Plus >mpeg2 is the easiest process their is.
But like I say, if you want to keep people like me in the money, feel free.
Will

Actually, no, Camera > MPEG-2 capture card > direct to DVD recording (create VOB's on the fly) is the easiest process.

After that is Camera > MPEG-2 capture card > computer > burn to DVD.

I'd say Camera > Firewire > computer > convert > burn is in third place.

Yes, right, okay clever-dick.
Of course you're right.
But with the options open to this guy do you really think this guy is going got invest more money on an mpeg2 card that is up to the job?
Get with the project.
He's talking about shipping four tapes out for someone else to do for fucks sake.
Like I say, well done, take a sweetie out of the jar on your way out.

Will

I was replying to your statement that your way is the easiest way. It's not and I didn't want him thinking it has to be as complicated as the way you do it. He could go get a $129 Videoh card, install it within an hour, and write directly to DVD using the default settings while you're still converting to MPEG-2.

[twinches]

I've covered this; but suffice to say, you're an idiot.
We are the average consumer, we know how long it takes and we are prepared to accept anyone into this (dvdrhelp.com) community at whatever level they wish to join.

Yes we are all average consumers / people. Bad choice of words. However you can not argue that the MAJORITY of people in the world may not have the time, hardware, or resources, and patients to do it themselves. If you were to do a census of number of people that even have DVD-R writers, I don't think it would even come close to 50% of the US population. Which means that we are in the minority.

Oh and thanks for calling me an idiot. that makes you seem very professional and mature. Name calling is what my kids do.

[Will Hay]

And a DVD recorder, the correct settings, lots of hard drive space, and lots of time. Not everybody has that.

Yeah mungo, thanks, thanks for coming.
In the context of this thread, and indeed by quoting my post in (hopefully) the context of a sane response, WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN?
My point was that if people choose a certain route, a simple route then the chances are they have what they need.
If they choose to take this process one step further then yes they may have to invest more time, money and energy but that's their choice.
Whilst poor alan69 needs to rethink his life choices he was right on one thing (one thing). people have the facility to do these things if they want.
What poor old alan70 missed is they might not want to, this is clearly the part of his brain that was missing, the part that could comprehend this small factor (had it still been in his head).
I have no issue with people who don't give a shit for this thing I call a hobby.
Good luck to them.
Will

[Will Hay]

Oh and thanks for calling me an idiot. that makes you seem very professional and mature. Name calling is what my kids do.

Yep, you're right.
My son is only 23 months old and luckily hasn't developed this petty act, the act you accuse me of.
But you forget one thing, you are an idiot, how can you therefore accuse me of name-calling?
Although I can only judge you on your contribution so far twitcher so please, fill me in on your background and I'll try form another, less direct opinion
Will Hay

[MrMungus]

And a DVD recorder, the correct settings, lots of hard drive space, and lots of time. Not everybody has that.

Yeah mungo, thanks, thanks for coming.
In the context of this thread, and indeed by quoting my post in (hopefully) the context of a sane response, WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN?
My point was that if people choose a certain route, a simple route then the chances are they have what they need.
If they choose to take this process one step further then yes they may have to invest more time, money and energy but that's their choice.
Whilst poor alan69 needs to rethink his life choices he was right on one thing (one thing). people have the facility to do these things if they want.
What poor old alan70 missed is they might not want to, this is clearly the part of his brain that was missing, the part that could comprehend this small factor (had it still been in his head).
I have no issue with people who don't give a shit for this thing I call a hobby.
Good luck to them.
Will

Um...OK.

[Will Hay]

Um...OK.

Jeesh, and twitchy accuses me of lacking maturity
Goodnight mungo, sleep tight.
It's my birthday tomorrow, I'm 33, I bet you wish me to have a good day, right?
Will Hay

[budz]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY WILL HAY!
Have a great day tomorrow!

[Will Hay]

Thanks man



You're the first but hopefully not the last!
Will

[SLICK RICK]

Happy Birthday Will!!!

I say it today because I doubt you will be visiting here tomorrow.

SLICK RICK

[Will Hay]

Happy Birthday Will!!!

I say it today because I doubt you will be visiting here tomorrow.

SLICK RICK

You're kidding, right?
I have to work so have to have something to do all day!
Will

[SLICK RICK]

I have to work so have to have something to do all day!

Silly me.

SLICK RICK

[lordsmurf]

If you are wanting to capture straight to MPEG-2, then you might want to look at ATI AIW cards and check out lordsmurf.com.

SLICK RICK

I also offer conversion and restoration services. There are people that simply cannot afford lots of good equipment, nor have the will/experience/patience to learn something new. They just want video on DVD, and that's that.

[patrickjos]

Actually, you're onto something here...
Fact is that I already own an Adaptech Videoh card (usb2.0). I had used it for VHS to MPEG2 but forgot about the fact that it has an S-Video-in terminal and I have a borrowed camcorder with and S-Video-out socket. I had been thinking strictly in terms of firewire....

Speaking of which....
Most of the conversation on this newsgroup seems to be focused on firewire for DV. Is it common to use the S-Video way? What are the pro's and cons of doing this?

Patrick

I was replying to your statement that your way is the easiest way. It's not and I didn't want him thinking it has to be as complicated as the way you do it. He could go get a $129 Videoh card, install it within an hour, and write directly to DVD using the default settings while you're still converting to MPEG-2.

[bokkasrealm]

Digital camcorders have only made things easier, not more difficult. You buy a cheapo Firewire card, a DV camera and any software you wish to use. It automatically imports the clips in as DV-AVI format. No need to switch between Huffy UV or MPG 1 or all that mess. You import your clips, cut em up how you want and then encode to MPEG with moronic MPEG 2 templates. It's too easy! The only difficult part is building menus and if you get a company like the Target service, they just throw a crappy JPEG filled screen together with random chapter points, nothing special at all. If you are looking for something special on menus then you wont find it. Home video editing has never been this easy.

[MOVIEGEEK]

I guess you live in Chatsworth or Topanga,when I lived in the valley there were a few camera stores in Northridge and Reseda that specialized in video transfer.If the video is 4 hours and you don't have a DV camera or firewire card then I would pay someone to do it,it will cost about $120+$10 extra per disk.

[Alan69]

Twhiny:

OK sorry I didn't tailor my answer to someone new and very low reading level. He already has much of the crap your whining about, if he's gotten files on the computer that are gigs. READ. I won't say you're an idiot or not since I can't give you an IQ test to see if its less or greater than 60, but you have a noticable lack of reading ability if you didn't catch that what he said in HIS post was continued as understood in mine. You should hold most of your comments until you're edumacated. And he said he was in a hurry, which is not very conductive to mail order slowness and extra delays. Even overnighting easily leaves you open to a week or more if they don't get around to it and you're stuck. Likely it's some false pressure he's added to make it seem more important that someone else do it, but it was stated in the message so is to be taken at face value. And you should really expect to get a good, fast, well done job from that $25 service you found. It's possible, but betting on that with his constraints would definitely stray into the idiotic range.

And I couldn't care less so wasn't ranting at all, you people may want to learn to read things a bit more dispassionately and not read your own feelings or what you think mine are into things. I was just trying to get the fact through, that it's a hell of a lot better and faster to just get the extra stuff and do it yourself, considering what was stated to have already been able to do. Money likley won't modify it much. How important they think their time is likely won't modify it much. From that starting point to done or from paying to being done is likely little difference, money will not make it noticably faster or easier than they could achieve just by bypassing that idea and going ahead and biting that bullet. Wanting to have a step done by an outside source so it'll be faster and easier doesn't MAKE having that step done by them actually faster and easier. Very unlikely he'd find anything that could do that in a short timeframe and not be risking major problems. Course most of you with a clue already know this part is almost always true.

Being slack is fine, if you want someone else to do it try and find someone to pay. But don't make points about how fast etc etc it needs to get done, because that doesn't justify it when it's faster to get the couple extra items and do it yourself. That thinking is ok for a ditch and someone else has a backhoe. There is no magic machine that grinds up your tape and spits out a DVD, even high end stuff won't be that much faster or better than what you can do low end these days. He's simply proceeding from a non-real viewpoint that since he thinks it's hard it is and it'll be easier if someone else does it. The reality is he could achieve good results with very little other hardware, not that much time, and still not even do noticably better on the time or ease front if it is paid for. And I'm sure most everyone in here that actually bothers to read what they were already able to do would think so as well. The step from where they're at to having it done is pretty minor if money isn't that important, and much less likely to screw up than trying to get it done outside.

With the stated goals and importance and time pressure it'd be nuts trying to find something and risk getting hung up out of your own control vs the little bit of time and work needed to get it done. As someone said an ATI type card straight to MPEG2 would be fast and simple.

Although that's an accurate answer, it's still likely irrelevant. The severity of the time pressure and importance are likely not as high as claimed, and they really just want an excuse to justify someone else doing it. That's fine, but garbage in garbage out, the good answers won't be what they want till they fess up to just wanting someone else to do it if that's the only real goal, like it is in most of these type requests that place more and more reasons that it just has to be done by someone else as it goes along..

It is still funny to see someone saying money isn't a problem but balking at spending $200 or $300 to get a much faster comp and bigger drive. Money IS a problem if you're worried about $100 vs $300. Expecting that yes you will find someone and yes they will do it for your price to your expectations in a hurry isn't realistic if your price isn't very high.
I have a cheap 2.4 gh system and it'd be cake for me and I've never done what he's wanting before. No doubt could be done in one evening with very little work by about anyone who could even find this board (AGAIN to restate for you Twhiney with money not a big concern and going getting a new comp. That doesn't mean you may not have a slow system right this second. I'm not sure you or your friends could manage it with any computer.). And that one evening would require very little work, just starting things going now and then and a little setup if a new computer was really needed.

Alan

[MrMungus]

Then you should be all set. Just capture to MPEG-2, author with TMPGEnc DVD Author (free trial), and burn to DVD. I'm not sure but you might

Some here prefer to capture to DV AVI then convert to MPEG and some prefer to capture directly to MPEG-2. I think the reason so many here are still doing capture then convert is because Firewire has been around a long time and affordable MPEG-2 capture cards have not.

Actually, you're onto something here...
Fact is that I already own an Adaptech Videoh card (usb2.0). I had used it for VHS to MPEG2 but forgot about the fact that it has an S-Video-in terminal and I have a borrowed camcorder with and S-Video-out socket. I had been thinking strictly in terms of firewire....

Speaking of which....
Most of the conversation on this newsgroup seems to be focused on firewire for DV. Is it common to use the S-Video way? What are the pro's and cons of doing this?

Patrick

I was replying to your statement that your way is the easiest way. It's not and I didn't want him thinking it has to be as complicated as the way you do it. He could go get a $129 Videoh card, install it within an hour, and write directly to DVD using the default settings while you're still converting to MPEG-2.

[drewson99]

Expecting that 'Oh there is some little store down the street I can get this done overnight or in an hour' is absurd. If you're lucky, you may actually find someone. But just expecting that there is one is silly considering the small utility of it.

this is a huge industry, actually. also, unless he lives in bumblef*ck, there probrably is some place "down the street." I can think of a few just a few miles from my house.

if he *does* live in bumblef*ck, however, he could send them out. sounds like the guy doesn't mind paying to have them done. what do I care if I think it's easy, he has made it clear he wants to have someone else do it.

good thing for him we live in a free country. if us video facists had our way, everyone would be forced to learn what we are compelled to spend our free time playing with.

[drewson99]

actually, I'll do it if you want patrickjos.

I'll get them back to you 3 days after I get the tapes. let me know if you want a price.

[bottle-necked]

News for you buddy,

lmao

[tonyp12]

What he got:
5hours of DV-tapes.

Does he want one hugh 4.37 GB mpeg2 file on one single dvd+r?

Or does he want the end result to be a "real" VOB DVD.
Though 5 hours on one single DVD is pushing it.


You have a Digital camcorder, use it.

If you have less than 10GB of HD space left, get second 40gb cheap.
Transfer 1hour tape with firewire and convert it overnight with tmpgenc.

Erase the AVi file, go on the next tape.

Now you have 5 mpeg2 files that are around 800mb each
Author these 5 files now to a VOB DVD.