The easiest DVD to DVD-R method...too easy?

[sereeds]

I have read many posts on the different methodes to backup a DVD. Specifically a DVD-9 (more than 4.7Gb), to a DVD-R with the movie only (less than 4.7Gb).

I don't understand why everyone rips the DVD, DeMux's, then re-encodes, and authors the disk. Is this method simpler and better ? You decide.

DVD Decrypter
IFOEDIT
Nero

OK, I use DVD Decypter, in File mode, then use "Select main movie". Then I use "stream precessing" to select only the video and the English AC3 sound. Then I rip to Hard disk. Removing the other audio and subtiltles reduced my VOB files size (to fit on DVD-R). So now I have smaller VOB files. If needed, rename the VOB's to VTS_1_01.VOB etc. For example your VOB's may be named VTS_4_01.VOB etc. change them to 1's.

Next I use IFOEDIT to "Create IFO files". This will create the rest of the files needed for a valid DVD.

Then, I just create a new "DVD-Movie" in NERO. Drag'n drop the VOB's and the IFO's to the VIDEO_VTS folder in NERO, and burn.

I had sucess with TombRaider2 and Underworld playing on a few different set-top players, and my PC worked too. No menus, it just plays when inserted in a player. Easy and simple. I prefer to change the original as little as possible. This should preserve the overall movie quality by not re-encoding.

No sucess playing in my XBOX, frezzes on some chapters. However, I can play the VOB files OK with the XBOX media player, so it's not a media issue. Still work'n on the XBOX problem (seems to be a IFO issue).

Anyway, this methode rips the DVD with no need to re-encode everything. Why re-encode unless your changing subtitles or something ?? Am I wrong here?

Anyone else try this method ?

[tito13kfm]

Pretty much the same method I use, but I don't use IFO-Edit.. I use DVD-Lab and insert the files directly into there, no re-encoding, but I can make my own menu.

I have no idea why you would re-encode unless you needed to shrink it, and for that I would rather transcode, it's quicker.

[Shudder]

Basically what you're doing is the same thing you'd do in dvdshrink by opening up the disc, going to re-author, selecting only the movie, unchecking the audio you don't want, and then picking backup. Your method is actually more complex

And if your movie fit on one DVDR without any other work, you're lucky. There's still quite a few movies that are bigger than 4.3 gigs even with everything but the movie+audio removed.. and then the transcoding of dvdshrink would do the job nicely.

Don't know if you've tried dvdshrink or not, but it just seems like you're going through unnecessary trouble to do the exact thing in reauthor mode.[/quote]

[Liam_UK]

Just use CloneDVD, does all what those programs do and burns it.
Very quick, very easy and brilliant results.

I used to use 3 different programs until I found CloneDVD, give it a try!

[Will Hay]

I have to second dvd shrink, but I guess it all depends on the level of backup you'll accept.
I have really no idea how well dvdshrink, dvd2one etc. performs in relation to
a) each other and
b) the original source but what I do know is they (I've only used them too since migrating from vcd 12 months ago) are superb for my needs.
Having just switched from dvd2one to dvdshrink I can highly recommend it.
It's a doddle to use, it eliminates a stage (for me, the riping) and can even burn (if you have Nero; I prefer RecordNowMax personally).
It's perfect for my needs and has excellent functions such as the facility to:
1) backup the full disk
2) backup the main menu only and
3) select the main title and selected extras
It other two positives is it's free (!) and the author is British (I guess, he seems to be the uk).
The latter a great reason to use it
Wll

[Shudder]

Almost forgot.. if it's not working in Xbox as a standard DVD movie, do the UDF/ISO method in nero and check the xbox compatibility checkbox

[lordsmurf]

DVD5: DVD Decrypter (Read ISO, Write ISO)
DVD9: DVD Decrypter, DVD2ONE or DVDSHRINK, Nero

Easy enough for a monkey.

[angryinch]

........... No menus, it just plays when inserted in a player. ...........

Why would anyone want to make a dvd without menus??? Basically a dvd without menus is a vhs on a shiny little disk. The ability to select scenes is part of what makes dvds great! I just don't get it.

[AdamRA4]

........... No menus, it just plays when inserted in a player. ...........

Why would anyone want to make a dvd without menus??? Basically a dvd without menus is a vhs on a shiny little disk. The ability to select scenes is part of what makes dvds great! I just don't get it.

Everyone to their own. I have some movies that are just the movie on the DVD. It saves on compression loss because there is no menus, extras, etc. it has to account for. I only have about 4 like this though. I liek the menus also, but Main Movie quality is the most important.

[soundforbjt]

Just use CloneDVD, does all what those programs do and burns it.
Very quick, very easy and brilliant results.

I used to use 3 different programs until I found CloneDVD, give it a try!

Except with some movies it (ClondDVD) will compress when none is needed.

[ghoster]

DVD5: DVD Decrypter (Read ISO, Write ISO)
DVD9: DVD Decrypter, DVD2ONE or DVDSHRINK, Nero

Easy enough for a monkey.

i second that...........

[Redeye07]

DVD5: DVD Decrypter (Read ISO, Write ISO)
DVD9: DVD Decrypter, DVD2ONE or DVDSHRINK, Nero

Easy enough for a monkey.

i second that...........

I'll third it...I happen to BE a monkey (aka newbie). I've been wondering why some folks want to make this so complicated.

[sereeds]

Basically what you're doing is the same thing you'd do in dvdshrink by opening up the disc, going to re-author, selecting only the movie, unchecking the audio you don't want, and then picking backup. Your method is actually more complex

Don't know if you've tried dvdshrink or not, but it just seems like you're going through unnecessary trouble to do the exact thing in reauthor mode.

[/quote]

OK I tried DVDShrink, a very nice program.
However, it re-encodes the whole movie. This is obvious when it asks for 4.7Gb of free space to encode. Yes compression etc. was off.

I just used my VOB's from DVD Decrypter, I havn't tried the method you mentioned where you use DVD Shrink to ripp. Also, DVD Shrink wants the IFO files for your VOB's, what's with that?

If you have VOB files ready to go, isn't there a way to burn them without encoding them again ?? Why do most of these programs re-encode the movie?

Side Note for SHUDDER:
I did try that UFD/ISO with XBOX compat. method for my XBOX, didn't work. I also tried serveral other ways, like UDF only with XBOX comp. no luck. So get this: I make IFO's for my VOB's with IFOEDIT, import them all into DVDShrink, burn it, works great in XBOX. Was it my VOB's, IFO's, or Nero? I don't know, but I'll be using DVDShrink more often.

[drwho41963]

You stated the following. Then I use "stream precessing" to select AC3. Can you explain what you placed in the fields. And if you checked Convert PCM to WAV. I am in the Stream processing tab but I don't know what to input.

[sereeds]

You stated the following. Then I use "stream precessing" to select AC3. Can you explain what you placed in the fields. And if you checked Convert PCM to WAV. I am in the Stream processing tab but I don't know what to input.

I load up DVD Decrypter, switch the "Mode" to "File". Then under the "Edit" menu, "select main movie files". Next, right click on the files and pick "Stream processing". After it finds the streams, I pick the first 2 check boxes, the "Video" and the "English AC3..". I leave the setting, "Direct stream copy", so the Video and Audio stay together.

Sounds like you wheren't in File mode.

[Gcubed]

#1 I have to agree that even selecting the movie by itself most of the time does not fit on one disk.

#2 No menus? Screw that. Plus most menus do not take up more than 100-300mb at most. If you compress them, than it's less than 100.

#3 I used to use DVDShrink. Awesome program but you can't select which extras you want and which to disable. Can't select no extras without re-authoring but then you loose the menu.

CAN'T BELIEVE NO ONE MENTIONED RECODE 2 that comes with Nero Ultimate Package 2.

#1 Rumor is that it's made by the same guy who made DVDShrink. Got to be good already.

#2 Can select No Extras without loosing the menus.

#3 Can select cirtain extras and leave other's including replacing the parts that you don't want with custom picture instead of stills (saves on space)

#4 SUPER SIMPLE, YET SUPER VERSATILE.

#5 QUALITY IS SUPERB.

Insterested to see who else uses the program. Am I missing something or being crazy by using this proggy?

[Will Hay]

Why would anyone want to make a dvd without menus??? Basically a dvd without menus is a vhs on a shiny little disk. The ability to select scenes is part of what makes dvds great! I just don't get it.

What a load of shit.
A DVD without menus is VHS on a shiny disk?
JESUS!!!!!!!!!
A DVD without menus happens to be better quality than one with menus, and far better quality than VHS.
Some of us don't need the shite that comes with the original.
The disney DVD's I back up (my son is 21 months, he's still chewing) contain at least eight trailers before the main movie, why would I want to keep that shite when I back up?
When I watch a movie I watch it all, why would chapters be as vital as you're bleating about?
Forget it.
As you say, you don't get it.
Will

[Shudder]

OK I tried DVDShrink, a very nice program.
However, it re-encodes the whole movie. This is obvious when it asks for 4.7Gb of free space to encode. Yes compression etc. was off.

I don't think it's reencoding the entire movie. What I do think it's doing, and of course I'm just guessing, is that it has to rebuild the vob because you're taking something out. Meaning, you're probably removing a subtitle, audio stream, etc.. so shrink has to copy the movie (without compressing it) and packing it with the audio stream you've selected. The video itself should be untouched

[shelbyGT]

Simple:

DVDshrink (either full disk or reauthor), hit backup, let it burn using nero.

simple, fast, easy... free.



And I only have 1 or two 2 movies backed up with menu's. I just want the movie, thanks, and at the best quality I can get. I can still enter in chapter #'s and the like, so it isn't that big of a deal. Like someone said previously, I don't need all the extra that comes with it.

[drewson99]

........... No menus, it just plays when inserted in a player. ...........

Why would anyone want to make a dvd without menus??? Basically a dvd without menus is a vhs on a shiny little disk. The ability to select scenes is part of what makes dvds great! I just don't get it.

when I sit down to watch a movie, I don't usually start anywhere but the beginning. Guess I'm wierd that way...



btw - the chapters are still there, there just isn't a little screen with thumbnails to start from.

[drwho41963]

"Next I use IFOEDIT to "Create IFO files". This will create the rest of the files needed for a valid DVD. "

I did what you said todo before, no problem.

What are the steps to do this. Do I change each file into a diferent directory or do I put it in the same directory? What steps do you take. Is this process documented somewhere? If not maybe you should give it a try. I'm sure others would find value in it also.

[Mrdogno8]

Have used the rip/strip/burn method since I got my recorder 2 years ago, long before the dvd2ones/shrinks etc came along. Works with most films, but there are some that still need to be re-en/trans coded to fit on a single disk. I remember when dvd2dvdr came out, thought it was great that everything was done automatically (even though it took what seemed forever and it left the CCE logo in my film as I couldn't afford the full version). There's a few site out there that list which discs need stripping or shrinking to enable back-up.

Funny thing is now I struggle to use IFOedit for this as the backup process has been greatly simplified with the almost 1 click progs available.

[energy80s]

I like keeping menus too as it is these (and the extras) that distinguish the DVD from a TV or VHS rip. Also the reason why DVD Shrink wants an extra 4.3 gigs free when it isn't re-encoding is because it will copy the file out rather than re-write it over itself. Ulead DVD Movie Factory is the same. Just because it looks for more space doesn't mean that its re-encoding.

[Will Hay]

I like keeping menus too as it is these (and the extras) that distinguish the DVD from a TV or VHS rip.

If that's the only way you can distingiush a DVD from a VHS transfer then I sympathise with you regarding your DVD rips; they must be utter shite quality.
Of course I would prefer to keep 100% but when it takes me an age to skip to the movie my son wants to watch or when half the DVD9 is taken up with medicore extra's I'll only watch once then why would I keep them?
I can watch the extra's on my original disk.

btw - the chapters are still there, there just isn't a little screen with thumbnails to start from.

Exactly, it's not as though the world has ended
Will

[dave-ko]

After 2 weeks, 15 blank DVD R/RW thrown in the garbage and lots of reading of the forum I found for ME the best, easiest and fastest way.

My conclusion of copying a DVD9/DVD5 to a blank DVD is that there are many variables to consider.
1- manufacture of your burner, the media manufacture, the burning s/w and the ripping s/w. Of course the speed of CPU, mem and OS your running all is contributed as well.

I have an AMD 2.08Ghz, HP PC running XP with 512 DDRam and a HP 300N cdRW/DVDRW burner.

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My Method as follows: (and believe me I tried 8 different combos)

I use the latest DVDShrink 3.1, which is a great, great tool. You can decrypt, rip and compress or just decrypt and rip to HD. From dvdshrink.info I would suggest walking through the full disk copy Guide (click guide tab). Full tutorial.
One thing that is not on the guide is when you get to the point where you click "open disk" and choose the drive you want, to do just the movie you click re-author and the opened dialog box changes. In the dvdshrink 3.0 beta and back when you click re-author a new dialog box would pop open.
Once you do re-author just, on the right hand side under main movie highlight the title and drag and drop into the yellow folder on the left hand side. Then remove other lang etcc...From here you can also set compression. If you want the full disk just leave the full disk tab clicked and you will still be able to compress from here.
Last click the backup button and the backup dialog box appears. The great thing about the new 3.1 shrink is there is a box you check off and DVDShrink will auto create the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders in whatever folder you look to save in. Under the DVD region tab make sure region free is selected and click ok. Happy Shrinking.

Once the shrink/rip is complete (movie only 15-22 minutes) you are ready to burn.
Yeah you could use any burn (Nero, Record Now, Pinnacle Instant Copy) but I prefer Instant Copy. I use it and it works great. I purchased the retail copy about 50.00.
One thing you need is the hidden settings. http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/InstantCopySettings.zip

After you run the program, choose recommend and then hit the set button to update your registry.
Launch IC, Copy/Backup tab and then Copy CD/DVD button.
Once the IC dialog box pops up click on the HD for the source and fine the folder where you ripped, open the VIDEO_TS folder and highlight the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. As the destination click on the dvdr/dvdRW drive.
In the advance button on the dvd tab make sure you set the "preferred destination to DVD and Copy Methods to customized Resize. Even if you don't compress here better to make sure you will fit on the blank DVD.

Then just burn away....

ENJOY...Dave

[Wetmonkey]

Screw the menu's who has even thought Damn i gotta watch those menus again, quality and dvd is what its all about, unless you watching on you 14" tv then screw quality lol, Running in progressive on an HDTV- there is a just a lil bit difference in VHS to DVD lol. That would be a great poll who really watches the extra content again and again, or just once or never even play the extras. Another post on what really matters in this here game we're playin.
Drip Drip

hey anyone ever find a good DVD with alternate angles besides porn? some of the Cirque Du Soleil have alternate angles anything else decent out there?

[lordsmurf]

Metallica S&M is really cool to watch from different angles. Just watch James or Lars or whoever.

[VicodiN]

Personally- it depends on the movie for me to decide whether or not I keep the menus...With movies such as 'Lord Of The Rings', Id much rather have a high quality movie then worry about sacrificing video quality for a few menus and extras.

With a movie such as 'Bourne Identity', I couldnt really care less.

[Jah_Rankin]

With a movie such as 'Bourne Identity', I couldnt really care less.[/quote] HEY I LUV THIS MOVIE

[tmikesr]

I've found DVD FAB will copy 90% of my moves I rent with out any problem. If it tells me it won't fit on on disk I use intervideo dvd copy. Both give audio and video quality as good as the original.