Haven't been able to read everything here, but I will say that I use a 120" projection screen and I could not tell the difference on a movie compressed at a 10% level with DVDShrink -- what I really want to check is a compressed DVD playing on a DVI-DVI connection on a big TV -- I think that would really be the only true way to measure the effects of compression...
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Originally Posted by donpedro
Your initial statement that started this said that no matter how you look at it, that a loss in size, meant a loss in quality. Just because you have 2000 post or whatever on here, doesnt make you knowledgeble on the subject. I for one, thought that maybe I was have a mere technical debate, and that maybe you could teach me something, and I could teach you something, but I learned that you are apparantly a 20 year old boy, with no proof of any knowledge. My last post I gave all the proof possible, and your response was that you werent going to debate any more and thought I was desperate to prove my lies. Transalation: (You saw point in what I said and you not only have no theoritical arguement, you definatly have no factual arguement, so Instead of being a man, you make the comment you made.) Guess you wouldnt want to hurt your 2000 post rep around here ... . What a joke ... -
Originally Posted by scubasteve2365
You are so predictible with what is next that you are going to pull out that it is funny to read. You brag about your education like that will make you smarter and when you are out of arguments you are starting to "guess" about my life. You are realy pathetic. And talking about my number of posts ? Are you realy that primitive ? I never mentioned it and I don't pay attantion to staff like that, but evidently you do. Numbers are very important to you, 3rd in being stupid, boat load of money that can't buy you human behavior and politeness.
Only think that you tought me is that it is wast of time to debate something with imbecile like you.
Let me finish with summary of what I believe in... and as opposite to your arrogance and self-conceit I accept others opinion on this without calling them names as soon they don't call me...
1. If you reduce file size of mpeg2 video file 10% it means you lost 10% of data.
2. If there is no way to quantify this 10% loss in data to number that will represent loss in quality, nobody can argue with me if it is more or less than 10%.
3. Quality is subjective. For somebody 10% is not noticeable for another person it might look like crap.
4. Compressing data with ZIP and what SHRINK does are totaly different methods. With ZIP you don't loose anything since you can UN-ZIP it. With SHRINK data are gone.
5. Same goes to comparasion to mp3 and wav. mp3 and wav are totaly different merhods of representing sound. SHRINK does not change method. It does not change from mpeg to to DivX. It is just removing less important data that will reduce quality. There is no way to deny fact that it will reduce quality.
Thats it. I wonder what kind of personal attack you are going to come up now. What have you left in your arsenal ?Pinnacle Studio 8 and DV home video editing (ver.9 already home) -
If there is no way to quantify this 10% loss in data to number that will represent loss in quality, nobody can argue with me if it is more or less than 10%
I wish to call an end to the personal vendetta. I still however encourage you to read what I wrote,
. Compressing data with ZIP and what SHRINK does are totaly different methods. With ZIP you don't loose anything since you can UN-ZIP it. With SHRINK data are gone.
5. Same goes to comparasion to mp3 and wav. mp3 and wav are totaly different merhods of representing sound. SHRINK does not change method. It does not change from mpeg to to DivX. It is just removing less important data that will reduce quality. There is no way to deny fact that it will reduce quality.
Thats it. I wonder what kind of personal attack you are going to come up now. What have you left in your arsenal ? -
Originally Posted by scubasteve2365Pinnacle Studio 8 and DV home video editing (ver.9 already home)
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Oh no, the argument is over? Damn, this has to be by far the most entertaining post thread I've seen. ScubaSteve and DonPedro should be on Jerry Springer show!
I do have to thank ScubaSteve for all of his posts. I've truly learned a great deal about compression. And overall, I've read every single post and realized that DonPedro really doesn't know what he is talking about but entertaining nevertheless.
I'm sad to see this soap opera end.
Perhaps you guys could discuss hydrongen fuel or maybe theoretical speed limit on dvdburning, maybe war on drugs? -
Originally Posted by Gcubed
I see that it was so entertaining to you that you need to add some fuel to fire even without any fact that will support any theory. I guess it is becouse you don't have one and you need to rely on what other people will tell you.Pinnacle Studio 8 and DV home video editing (ver.9 already home) -
HAHAHAHAHA
You are sad, man. You need to drink decaf. If my coments can enrage you so much, you are going to die of a heart attack really early. Maybe tomorrow if you reply one more time.
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Are you trying to be another one that knows everything about me ?
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Originally Posted by Gcubed
War on drugs, As long as their is ignorance there will be drugs... no debate their, Idiots abuse everything, sure they will continue abusing drugs.
as for a speed limit on dvd burning, im sure it will get to point to where it is moot. I mean where did cd burning stop?, Hell I dont know, somewhere in the 40's speed. I mean, whats the difference between be able to burn a cd in 2 mins, vrs 3 mins. so Im sure DVD will get faster, but at what point. My 4x burns them as fast I can rip them anyway, why the need to go faster???
maybe we can get into some philosophy?, Discuss Plato's Meno or something like that ... Hahahaha .. yeah right. I think this thread is done!!!!
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