Convert Unknown MPEG to Mpeg-2

[DavidEC]

I have a MPEG video that was captured from a PC-TV Tuner Card using 'Cyberlink's "PowerVCR II V3.0" software.

The software was set to save the file as a MPEG-2

But every time I try to convert the saved MPEG file to a DVD the audio go out of sync by about... one second late for every one minute of video.. so by the time ten minutes of video has be converted to DVD MPEG-2 format the audio is 10 seconds behind the video....

I have tried..
VirtualDub.exe [MPEG] - will not open orignal MPEG file.
MPEGTool ver.1.04 by Dino - Out of Sync once out put MPEG converted.
ReJig - Out of Sync once out put MPEG converted.
TMPGEnc - will not open orignal MPEG file.

Help!

[teegee420]

I suggest first that you download and install the MPEG-2 Plugin for TMPGenc. That should allow you to open the file and convert. And should you ever want to open up mpeg-2 video with Virtualdub, you will need Virtualdub MPEG2.

[DavidEC]

I suggest first that you download and install the MPEG-2 Plugin for TMPGenc. That should allow you to open the file and convert. And should you ever want to open up mpeg-2 video with Virtualdub, you will need Virtualdub MPEG2.

This is weird.. Virtualdub MPEG2 ..is the only MPEG play pack program that I have tried where the audio is out of sync when playing back the orignal file.. not only that but the audio is full of noise and clicks that none of the other playback software displays.

Now what?

--David

[teegee420]

Try using the plugin for TMPGenc first. I only mentioned Virtualdub MPEG2 in the event that you might want to convert mpeg-2 to AVI in the future.

[DavidEC]

Try using the plugin for TMPGenc first. I only mentioned Virtualdub MPEG2 in the event that you might want to convert mpeg-2 to AVI in the future.

I tried the TMPGenc plugin and two things happened:
[a] the final mpeg played back using different software just fine.
[b] when converted to DVD the whole final out put was fast.. not only was the video fast but the audio was not only behind the video but it as speed up.

do you have any other suggests.. I am about ready to give up!

--David

[teegee420]

The fact that your final mpeg played back fine is somewhat promising. Now I think the manner in which you burned your DVD should be examined. But first, what settings in TMPGenc did you use to convert? Also, which programs did you use to author/burn your DVD? Finally, have you ever had trouble with playback for DVD's that you made in the past?

[DavidEC]

The fact that your final mpeg played back fine is somewhat promising.

I have never had any troubles playing back the mpeg on the computer.

Now I think the manner in which you burned your DVD should be examined....Also, which programs did you use to author/burn your DVD? Finally

Software used to convert MPEG to DVD format:
Nero-6/Nerovision Express-2
Ulead DVD Movie Factory-2
Cyperlink "PowerProducer-2"

But first, what settings in TMPGenc did you use to convert?

What ever the basic settings are in the program...

Have you ever had trouble with playback for DVD's that you made in the past?

Long story short... computer crashed and had to rebuild software base ... I was having troubles with the 'DVD BOOK TYPE' NOT not being set correctly.... and this is the first time since the rebuild that I have tried to burn a DVD from source captured with the TV card and the capture software is "Cyberlink's PowerVCR II V3.?" set to DVD save.
The source input was from camcorders VIDEO/AUDIO OUT.
My other MPEG source(s) is from a Digital Video Recorder transfered to my computer via network interface and have no troubles creating DVD's.

--David

[DavidEC]

Quote:
But first, what settings in TMPGenc did you use to convert? ...

What ever the basic settings are in the program.

Using the basic orignal install setting of TMPGenc the output MPEG now shows the audio delay..???

But the orignal file still does not show the audio delay??

What setting do I need to change in TMPGenc??

--David

[kitty]

A possibility is to use the MPEG tools in TMPGenc to split the audio & video out then use the 2 resulting files on input when you reencode. You'll want to select on eof the standard output templates before letting it encode.

[teegee420]

Good advice, kitty. It wouldn't hurt to demultiplex before encoding with TMPGenc and select the files as video and audio sources. I would suggest using the DVD template in the project wizard too.

Hang in there, DavidEC! Myself along with the majority of the people on these boards went through a lot of trial and error before becoming moderately proficient at anything invlovling encoding. The emphasis on error in my case.

[DavidEC]

A possibility is to use the MPEG tools ....You'll want to select on eof the standard output templates before letting it encode.

Ok how does one do this? Confused

I demiltiplexed the file and then miltiplexed the file after loading the DVD template and now the final MPEG is "2.5" seconds out of synic for every minute of the movie file...

--David

[DavidEC]

MpegTool Repots the following about the orignal file:
[INFO] File size: 629405696 bytes
[INFO] SOURCE fle is not DAT format
[INFO] Data Rate: 1604.00390625
[INFO] Video Width: 720, Video Height: 480
[INFO] Aspect MInfo.ratio: 0.673500001430511, Frame Rate: 29.96
[INFO] Total Frames: 11484

PVAStrumento reports the orignal file as:

Found 1 video stream.
Found 1 MPEG audio stream.

VIDEO #1
Resolution 720 x 480
Aspect ratio is 4:3
Frame rate 29.97 fps
Nominal bitrate 4000000 bps
First PTS: 00:00:00.000

MPEG AUDIO #1
MPEG1, Layer 2
stereo, sampled at 44.1 kHz.
Bitrate 224 kbps
Each frame contains 26.1 ms audio (731 bytes)
First PTS: 00:00:00.001

Gspot Report the following installed video codecs:
DMO MP4S Mpeg4s Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> mp4sdmod.dll
DMO WMV Screen decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmsdmod.dll
DMO WMVideo Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmvdmod.dll
DMO MP43 Mpeg43 Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> mp43dmod.dll
DMO MPG4 Mpeg4 Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> mpg4dmod.dll
DSH DV Video Encoder qdv.dll
DSH Indeo® video 5.10 Compression Filter Intel Corporation Ir50_32.dll
DSH Indeo® video 5.11 Compression Filter Intel Corporation Ir50_32.dll
DSH IYUV Ligos GoMotion Analog to MPEG Filter Ligos Corporation GoMotionAnalogToMPEG1_1.ax
DSH YUY2 Ligos GoMotion DV to MPEG Filter (Version 1.7) Ligos Corporation GoMotionDVtoMPEG.ax
DSH MJPEG Compressor quartz.dll
DSH Nero Digital Video Encoder Ahead Software AG NeNDVid.ax
DSH XLCompress ** Codec not registered
DSH XLDecompress ** Codec not registered
DSH MPEG1 MPEG Video Decoder quartz.dll
DSH MP43 Moonlight WinDivX Decoder Filter Project Mayo windivx.ax
DSH MPEG1 Ligos MPEG Video Decoder Ligos Corporation lmpgvd.ax
DSH AVI_PASS ** Codec not registered
DSH DIVX DivX Decoder Filter DivXNetworks, Inc. Divxdec.ax
DSH MSS1 Microsoft Screen Video Decompressor Microsoft Corporation msscds32.ax
DSH WMV1 Windows Media Video Decoder Microsoft Corporation wmvds32.ax
DSH WMV2 Windows Media Video Decoder Microsoft Corporation wmv8ds32.ax
DSH DIVX DivX Decoder Filter DivXNetworks, Inc. Divxdec.ax
DSH MP43 Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Decompressor Microsoft Corporation mpg4ds32.ax
DSH DVSD DV Video Decoder qdv.dll
DSH Ligos MPEG Splitter Ligos Corporation lmpgspl.ax
DSH MPEG1 Elecard MPEG2 Video Decoder Moonlight Cordless Ltd. mpgdec.ax
DSH MPEG2 InterVideo Video Decoder InterVideo Inc. ivivideo.ax
DSH IV41 Indeo® video 4.4 Decompression Filter Intel Corporation Ir41_32.ax
DSH IV50 Indeo® video 5.11 Decompression Filter Intel Corporation Ir50_32.dll
DSH MJPG AVI Draw quartz.dll
DSH CyberLink MPEG Decoder CyberLink Corp. clmvd.ax
DSH CyberLink MPEG Decoder 1 CyberLink Corp. CLM2AD.AX
DSH CyberLink MPEG Decoder 2 CyberLink Corp. CLM2BD.AX
DSH CyberLink MPEG Decoder 3 CyberLink Corp. CLM2CD.AX
DSH CyberLink MPEG Decoder 4 CyberLink Corp. CLM2DD.AX
DSH CyberLink MPEG Decoder 5 CyberLink Corp. CLM2ED.AX
DSH Video Port Manager quartz.dll
DSH AVI Decompressor quartz.dll
DSH XLDecompress ** Codec not registered
DSH QTRpza QT Decompressor quartz.dll
DSH MJPG MJPEG Decompressor quartz.dll
DSH Nero Video Decoder Ahead Software AG NeVideo.ax
DSH Nero DVD Decoder Ahead Software AG NeVideo.ax
DSH CyberLink Video/SP Decoder CyberLink Corp. CLVSD.ax
DSH CyberLink MPEG Decoder 6 CyberLink Corp. CLM2FD.AX
VFW ASLC Alparysoft Lossless Codec (version 1.5 build 748.031128) Alparysoft R&D Ltd.
qcap.dll --> aslcodec_vfw.dll
VFW CVID Cinepak Codec by Radius Radius Inc. qcap.dll --> iccvid.dll
VFW I420 Intel 4:2:0 Video V2.50 Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> msh263.drv
VFW IV32 Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2 qcap.dll --> ir32_32.dll
VFW IV41 Intel Indeo® Video 4.5 Intel Corporation qcap.dll --> ir41_32.ax
VFW IV50 Indeo® video 5.11 Intel Corporation qcap.dll --> ir50_32.dll
VFW IYUV Intel IYUV codec Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> iyuv_32.dll
VFW M261 Microsoft H.261 Video Codec Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> msh261.drv
VFW M263 Microsoft H.263 Video Codec Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> msh263.drv
VFW MP42 Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V2 Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> mpg4c32.dll
VFW MPG4 Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V1 Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> mpg4c32.dll
VFW MRLE Microsoft RLE Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> msrle32.dll
VFW MSVC Microsoft Video 1 Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> msvidc32.dll
VFW YVU9 Intel Indeo® Video Raw R1.2 qcap.dll --> iyvu9_32.dll

Gspot Report the following installed audio codecs:
ACM 0x0011 Microsoft IMA ADPCM CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> imaadp32.acm
ACM 0x0002 Microsoft ADPCM CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msadp32.acm
ACM 0x0006 Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law and u-Law CODEC Microsoft Corporation
quartz.dll --> msg711.acm
ACM 0x0007 Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law and u-Law CODEC Microsoft Corporation
quartz.dll --> msg711.acm
ACM 0x0031 Microsoft GSM 6.10 Audio CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msgsm32.acm
ACM 0x0022 DSP Group TrueSpeech(TM) Software CODEC DSP GROUP, INC. quartz.dll --> tssoft32.acm
ACM 0x0042 Microsoft G.723.1 CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msg723.acm
ACM 0x0160 Windows Media Audio Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msaud32.acm
ACM 0x0161 Windows Media Audio Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msaud32.acm
ACM 0x0130 Sipro Lab Telecom ACELP.net audio codec Sipro Lab Telecom Inc. quartz.dll --> sl_anet.acm
ACM 0x0402 Indeo® audio software Intel Corporation quartz.dll --> Iac25_32.ax
ACM 0x0055 Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (advanced) Fraunhofer Institut
Integrierte Schaltungen IIS
quartz.dll --> l3codeca.acm
ACM 0x0215 Ulead DV Audio Codec Ulead Systems, Inc. quartz.dll --> Dvacm.acm
ACM 0x0216 Ulead DV Audio Codec Ulead Systems, Inc. quartz.dll --> Dvacm.acm
DMO 0x0160 WMAudio Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmadmod.dll
DMO 0x000a WMSpeech Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmspdmod.dll
DSH Nero Audio Encoder Ahead Software AG Karlsbad Germany
Phone: ++49-7248-911-800
Fax: ++49-7248-911-888
E-Mail: info@nero.com NeAudioEnc.ax
DSH 0x2000 AC3Filter Copyright © 2002 by Vigovsky Alexander ac3filter.ax
DSH 0x2000 Moonlight Odio Dekoda Moonlight Cordless Ltd. mlcom.ax
DSH 0x0050 MPEG Audio Decoder quartz.dll
DSH 0x0055 MPEG Layer-3 Decoder Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen IIS l3codecx.ax
DSH 0x0161 Windows Media Audio Decoder Microsoft Corporation msadds32.ax
DSH 0x0130 ACELP.net Sipro Lab Audio Decoder Sipro Lab Telecom Inc. acelpdec.ax
DSH CyberLink LPCM Converter CyberLink Corp. LPCMCVRT.AX
DSH Ligos MPEG Splitter Ligos Corporation lmpgspl.ax
DSH 0x0050 CyberLink Audio Decoder 0 CyberLink Corp. CLAD0.ax
DSH 0x0050 CyberLink Audio Decoder 1 CyberLink Corp. CLAD1.ax
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DSH 0x0050 CyberLink Audio Decoder 3 CyberLink Corp. CLAD3.ax
DSH 0x0050 CyberLink Audio Decoder 4 CyberLink Corp. CLAD4.ax
DSH 0x0050 CyberLink Audio Decoder 5 CyberLink Corp. CLAD5.ax
DSH 0x0050 CyberLink Audio Decoder 6 CyberLink Corp. CLAD6.ax
DSH 0x0050 CyberLink Audio Decoder CyberLink Corp. CLAUD.ax
DSH 0x0050 Nero Digital Audio Decoder Ahead Software AG and its licensors NeAudio.ax

[teegee420]

Maybe getting some more detailed info about your source mpeg would shed some light on things. Since you have Virtualdub MPEG2, use it to open your original mpeg and on the File menu select "File Information". Post the info if you don't mind. The window will look like this:

[teegee420]

:Edit: I'm not too interested in the I, P, and B frame values.

[teegee420]

You were too fast for me, nevermind. :P If I understood you correctly, the audio de-sync level increases as the file plays?

[DavidEC]

Maybe getting some more detailed info about your source mpeg would shed some light on things. Since you have Virtualdub MPEG2, use it to open your original mpeg and on the File menu select "File Information". Post the info if you don't mind. The window will look like this:

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[DavidEC]

You were too fast for me, nevermind. :P If I understood you correctly, the audio de-sync level increases as the file plays?

Thats what seems to be happening... on demux'ed / dvd files

At two minutes into the file there is a spot where a pen hits paper to dot an "i" and then per the clock on the play back software counts down 2 seconds you hear the pen hit the paper.

At five minutes into the file you see a door slam and then at 00:05:10.00 you hear the door slam..

By this point I stop watching...

The orignal file plays back with out audio troubles....
Orignal file size is = 600 MB (629,211,136 bytes)
remuxed file size is = 540 MB (566,628,356 bytes)

But yet when I did a screen dump of the remuxed file in V-Dub-Mpeg the info windows matched to the number.

--David

[Duchess]

Errr ! Guys aren't we missing something here? The original file has audio at 44 KHz and the DVD spec is 48KHz, a difference of approx 10%. Wouldn't this account for the problem and wouldn't doing a proper conversion of the audio track fix the problem?

Just a few thoughts!

[DavidEC]

.... The original file has audio at 44 KHz and the DVD spec is 48KHz, a difference of approx 10%. Wouldn't this account for the problem and wouldn't doing a proper conversion of the audio track fix the problem?....

What utility would I need to correct the audio stream??

I looked in the tools area and could not find any thing off hand? Unless I just missed it totaly?

--David

[Duchess]

.

What utility would I need to correct the audio stream??

I've not had any reason to translate any audio track as all I've done is either backup DVD's or capture TV progs and turn them into DVD's. But I've seen BeSweet recommended many times on this forum for doing the job, usually after demuxing, then remuxing and generation of the ifo and vob's using IFO Edit.

Good luck cherie

[teegee420]

Errr ! Guys aren't we missing something here? The original file has audio at 44 KHz and the DVD spec is 48KHz, a difference of approx 10%. Wouldn't this account for the problem and wouldn't doing a proper conversion of the audio track fix the problem?

Just a few thoughts!

Good observation, that just might be it.

You can change the sampling rate with Virtualdub MPEG2 by going to the audio menu and selecting Full Processing Mode, then select Conversion and select 48,000HZ and check off High Quality. Then just go to File and select Save WAV.

Next you'll need FFMPEG. Select your wav as the audio source, MP2 as the format, 224(at least) as the bitrate, select an output file name and click convert.

Now use the mp2 you created to multiplex with the video from the file you made with TMPGenc. Cross your fingers and burn.

[DavidEC]

I want to thank everybody for their suggestions.. I sort of gave up and my friend happens to be coming back into town this weekend and will try the dub again using a different capture software package.

This time I will do a five minute test dub to make sure that the MPEG being saved is a good file!

What was suggested else where was my capture software was padding the file with duplicate frames and when the conversion to another format these frames were being dropped. Which is why the file was so much smaller.

I was told that a MPEG STREAM would just replay the same frame over again and then go the next frame... frame order could be something like..
1.2.3.3.4.5.6.6.7.8.9.9.10.11.11.12.13.14.15.16..e ct
you might not notice the doubled video frames during play back on the computer... but when converted to another format the conversion software would toss out the duplicated frames so that the stream would be .. 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11....

--David