CCE SP blurred/ghost image with motion

[HostDad]

I have been doing videos in Studio 8, TMPGEnc, and Vegas for about a year. I decided to try creating AC3 audio for better sound quality. At the same time, decided to try CCE SP for generating MPEG-2 compliant files. All the other apps give me good to great quality with no blurring or ghosting with action videos, even with default settings, but no matter what my setting is with CCE SP, it blurs or ghosts. I have tried CBR and VBR. I have changed the GOP and bitrate. Nothing helps. Also, no matter what I set the avg, min, and max rate with VBR, I get 9800 on a 45 minute video. I have read many good and bad comments for CCE SP and have searched this site and google for some answers but have not found anything specific to this problem. I might even be searching on the wrong term. I am happy with the results of other products but continue to search for something better. CCE SP should be able to give me a blur/ghost free video, but I am obviously missing something. Any help, outside of "try another product", would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.

[BJ_M]

read up on how cce sp does field order in its own way (what setting you use) ... it depends on which version you are using also ...

lots here and on doom9 about this subject ...

[pijetro]

Why don't you tell us your source, CCE settings, resolution, and other background info. that might let us pinpoint what the problem is.??

[HostDad]

pijetro - Here is a sample of what I have been using.

Original source Sony D8
Edited Source is DVC/DV Video created output by Vegas 4.0.
Length 0:45:45
Frame rate: 29.97
Size 720x480
Bitrate 1592

avs file for CCE SP:
avisource("F:\VideoCapture\ChristmasPlay2003\Chris tmasPlay2003.avi")
LanczosResize(720,480)
AddBorders(0,0,0,0)
ConvertToYUY2()
ResampleAudio(44100)


Encode settings:

Timecode setting
Frame # 0 => 00 00 00 00
DF - unchecked

Output files
Video files - checked
Audio file - unchecked (I am doing video only)

Video Setting
Mode MPEG-2 (ES, Multipass VBR)

Bitrates
Avg 6,000
Min 2,000
Max 9570

Multipass VBR setting
Create new file
Passes 3
Bit allocation left at default

I have also used CBR setting with Bitrate at 8,000

Aspect Ratio 4:3
All boxes uncheck

Quality settings
Natural picture
Easy - Difficult centered
Intra block DC precision 9
Zigzag
Progressive frame flag

I am not sure if this helps. Let me know if anything else is required. I have not had this problem with any other MPEG-2 rendering software. Even Studio 8 does a good job with the video, although the audio leaves a lot to be desired.

Thanks

[BJ_M]

why are you using avsynth with a dv file edited in vegas ? either encode the dv file directly or better - frame serve it out of vegas to cce if you wish to use that encoder (for what ever reason) instead of the built in main concept encoder ...

Dv is drop frame also btw (will not effect your image quality though) ....


Zigzag - should be alternate
Progressive frame flag - should be interlaced ...

if you DO want a progressive mpeg2 file for some reason -- do this in vegas , not CCE ..

what do you have your field order set to in CCE ? and which version of CCE are you using ?

[HostDad]

BJ_M,

I am a programmer and have been for years. That being said, I usually try other ways of doing things, if nothing else but to learn. Yes, Vegas is probably the better tool, but I was just interested in making something else work and learning it, if nothing else but to prove Vegas is better.

Thanks

[HostDad]

BJ_M,

Also, I was not aware that I could drag the avi directly to the encoder. I was trying this based on another article on this forum. I will give it a try using the avi file.

Thanks

[pijetro]

BJ_M is correct, as far as the settings go..I'm using CCEv2.5, so as far as encoding interlaced video such as yourself, the only option that i have checked is ADD SEQUENCE END CODE.

Steer clear of any progressive encoding...

[HostDad]

pijetro,

I am trying his suggestion now. I will let you know how all turns out.

Thanks

[pijetro]

I'm assuming you're encoding for DVD. If that's the case, then your script isn't gonna work....

avisource("F:\VideoCapture\ChristmasPlay2003\Chris tmasPlay2003.avi")
LanczosResize(720,480)
AddBorders(0,0,0,0)
ConvertToYUY2()
ResampleAudio(44100)

Should be

avisource("F:\VideoCapture\ChristmasPlay2003\Chris tmasPlay2003.avi")
AssumeFps(29.97,true)
ConvertToYUY2()
ResampleAudio(48000)

Since DV is already 720x480, and the AddBorders command hasn't done anything, I simply removed it ...

[BJ_M]

DV audio is (most of the time) also 48khz sample rate already (and 29.97 in NTSC land) ... hence the script isnt doing much at all ...

[pijetro]

Yes correct, if you're already recording at 48000hz audio, then except for the ConvertToYuy2, everything's pretty well redundant..

Some of my friends didn't know about DVD audio requiring 48000, and hence had their cameras set at a lower samplerate. The second and last lines guarantee that your audio samplerate stays true with the framerate regardless. It's basically a safety net just in case...

[HostDad]

Sorry it took me a little time to get back with you. Other projects to go along with this project. At the suggestion of others, I was able to get a good video by using the default setting and dragging the AVI file directly to be encoded. The only thing I changed was the avg bitrate from 6,000 to 8,000. I left everything else to what CCE SP v2.66.01.01 suggested. I appreciate all of your help and patients.

Thanks again.