I GIVE UP !!!! Advice requested about (Commercial) encoders

[JakoUK]

I am at the end of my tether trying to convert AVI (NTSC) to Mpeg2 (PAL).

I have used TMPGenc and all i want to do is quality SVCDs which are the standard resolution for DVD-r burning.

Can anyone suggest a Commercial Encoder which will do the job.

I still want to Demux the Audio so it it just the Video that i want to convert.

Maybe i am just stupid but i am losing all my hair with trying different settings on TMPGenc.

Thanks in advance

[disturbed1]

One of the best software encoders I've used for PAL to NTSC conversions is Canopus's ProCoder. I can only assume it would achieve the same results with NTSC to PAL.

ProCoder Express does a great job too, just has a few less features. Grab the demo and try it out.

This link ( http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/index.html ) maybe of some help too.

[bugster]

all i want to do is quality SVCDs which are the standard resolution for DVD-r burning.

That one mistake right there! SVCD is not a standard resolution for DVD-Video.

There are several guides on converting NTSC AVI to PAL Mpeg, but here is a quick summary of one way. (this is assuming 23.976fps NTSC film framerate Avi)

OPen the video in virtualdub. Set Audio-None (you are handling that seperatley right). Set Video->direct stream copy. Select Video->Framerate, click Change to and enter a value of 25. Click OK.
Select file->start frameserver (you have installed the aviframe client from auxsetup havn't you?).

Now start Tmpgenc, cancel the wizard. Open the frameserver file (.vdr) as the video source, audio source should remain blank. Click load and select the PAL DVD template. Ensure stream type is set to ES (Video only) and click start. Wait.

You now have a 25fps PAL format DVD compliant video stream. It will be slightly shorter than the source video due to the framerate speed up so the audio will not match. You can fix this with BeSweet.

[TBoneit]

I am at the end of my tether trying to convert AVI (NTSC) to Mpeg2 (PAL).

I have used TMPGenc and all i want to do is quality SVCDs which are the standard resolution for DVD-r burning.

Can anyone suggest a Commercial Encoder which will do the job.

I still want to Demux the Audio so it it just the Video that i want to convert.

Maybe i am just stupid but i am losing all my hair with trying different settings on TMPGenc.

Thanks in advance

You already have a commercial encoder, so to speak.

I use TMPGenc & CCE. TMPGenc works quite well speedwise on a HT pentium 4 system and is easier to use. Just use the wizard and pick the PAL DVD profile. And/Or create some custom profiles too. Such as 352 by 288 with 48Khz audio settings. That is a VCD resolution with 44.1 KHz audio and DVD resolution when DVD when 48Khz audio. Or 352 by 576 with 48Khz which is 1/2 Full dvd resolution and near to SVCD quality.

Good Luck

[JakoUK]

Thanks for he speedy info.

The trouble is also that some AVI's have this resolution 640x272 at FPS 23.976.

I want it at PAL 25fps and whatecer the standard PAL DVD resolution should be.

I am Multiplexing with DVD-Lab.

Thanks again

[bugster]

I want it at PAL 25fps and whatecer the standard PAL DVD resolution should be.


Thanks again

TmpGenc will resize for you. My previous advice w.r.t framerate still stands.

[JakoUK]

FAO Bugster

Thanks for the info.

I use ffmpegGUI02c to rip the audio to AC3 is this the best way.

I am worried about "Lip Synch" after Multiplexing.

Thanks

[bugster]

Is the audio in the avi Ac3, or are you converting it to Ac3 at a later stage. If it is not Ac3 in the avi, then use besweet to change the length using the preset NTSC to PAL, then convert that to Ac3.

[JakoUK]

Using GSPOT the data is.

Name: 0x0055(MP3) ID'd as MPEG-1 Layer 3

Bitrate: 116 kb/s (58/ch, stereo) VBR LAME3.90.™

Fs: 48000 Hz

So i use ffmpegGui to convert to AC3.

This seems in sync when Multiplexed in DVD-Lab with the Video.

(Just the Video sucks)

What do you recommend i do to best extract the audio bearing in mind the earlier posts regarding NTSC - PAL.

Thanks again

[bugster]

You have 23.976fps Avi and you want a PAL Mpeg.

Do what I suggested with the video (frameserv from vdub, framerate 25fps).

Extract the audio to a wav file (uncompressed), convert from NTSC to PAL with BeSweet, then encode to Ac3. This should be in sync wehn muxed with the 25fps video.

[JakoUK]

How do i use Frameserver???

I just loaded the AVI into it and all iget is a dialogue box with the option to stop serving.

Other than that it does nothing.

Also the AVI is reported as an invalid CBR heading (or similar) i have done a scan for Freezes and everything is OK.

Just need to know how to use the Frameserver option.

Thanks

[offline]

Can anyone suggest a Commercial Encoder which will do the job.

Nothing beats a hardware transcoder, but they are not cheap. Tmpgenc
is fine for many commercial conversions if speed is not an issue - just check out the guides about two software programs called VirtualDub and Avisynth. Use either of these with tmpgenc and you should be more
than satisfied with the result.

[KYUSS]

This seems in sync when Multiplexed in DVD-Lab with the Video.

(Just the Video sucks)



Thanks again

video will not be improved by encoding (beyond the quality of original)

dvd lab will allow you to put svcds onto dvd without encoding m8....maybe this is an option?

[bugster]

How do i use Frameserver???

Thanks

Click Here

[JakoUK]

Many thanks.

I'll give it a go.

Do you know what resolution i should encode to for Pal SVCD ready for converting to DVD-r.

[bugster]

Many thanks.

I'll give it a go.

Do you know what resolution i should encode to for Pal SVCD ready for converting to DVD-r.

Do NOT encode SVCD if you want to put it on DVD-r. The valid resolutions for PAL DVD are 325*576 (close to SVCD and known as 1/2 D1) and 720*576, known as full D1.

[JakoUK]

Bugster Please tell me what you would do.

I want to put 2 AVI films on a DVD-r blank (Ritek G04) using a Plextor 708A burner.

The authoring program i am using is DVD-Lab.

I think i need to convert the AVI to SVCD and then DVD-Lab will Multiplex the Audio and Video into the required _TS files etc.

The trouble is i am using some AVI's that are 25fps and some that are 23.9? fps.

Please tell me, as you are very knowledgable in this practice, what you would do and if possible give me resolution settings.

Thanyou for all your help.

[KYUSS]

don't do avi to svcd m8.

do avi to dvd.

make sure the output is around 2gb for each film and then simply add the 2 films into dvdlab m8

[JakoUK]

I tried using VDubs frameserver but using the DVD-PAL option on TMPGenc would expand the movie so only one film would go on a DVD.
Also it was converting the Audio which i know i dont want it to do anyway.

Am i doing something wrong?

[KYUSS]

when u get on the last page of tmpgenc wizard you should be able to lower the bitrate to lower the output size to 2 gb m8.

why don't you want tmpgenc to convert audio m8?

[JakoUK]

Thanks for the reply KYRUSS.

I am demuxing the audio seperately because DVD-Lab always comes up with an Audio error and transcodes it everytime i do it with TMPGenc.

And as DVD-Lab takes "a dogs age" to transcode i thought it would be easier to have acceptable audio streams so i could go straight to Multiplexing to _TS files.

I found using ffmpegGUI and converting to AC3 DVD-Lab accepts this audio as ok for a DVD.

Also with conversion of frame rate (23.97 NTSC - 25 PAL) the Audio would be out of sync wouldn't it?

I want the best quality Video but to be able to fit 2 movies on a DVD-r.

Also do you know if i converted from (23.97 NTSC - 25 PAL) would DVD-Lab read the stream as PAL?

Appreciate your help m8

[KYUSS]

i'm not an expert m8...........maybe someone will correct me on this........


let tmpgenc convert audio for you but...........make sure the frequency of the audio setting is 48.000hz m8 not 44.100.

i think this is why dvdlab is not accepting your audio m8.

as for being out of sync..........that is a massive can of worms in my experience m8.

i have had troubles on some things with audio sync and i have never been able to get em right

[JakoUK]

FAO KYUSS

Thanks i have strated encoding as you said with DVD-PAL both Audio & Video using 2 pass VBR is at 2000 bitrate do you think this should work OK.

Thanks again

[rhegedus]

Why do you want to convert from NTSC to PAL? Most PAL systems will play NTSC straight off.

All-In-One guide, VCD or SVCD to DVDR/W with SVCD2DVDMPG+

[JakoUK]

Exactly "Most" not "All".

If my Yukai 560IV goes kaputt!!! i want to know that the next DVD standalone i get will play all my DVD's.

[rhegedus]

98% do - it's my understanding that the 2% that don't are older models. All the new ones should - the three that I've bought in the last year all do.

[bugster]

Bugster Please tell me what you would do.

I want to put 2 AVI films on a DVD-r blank (Ritek G04) using a Plextor 708A burner.

The authoring program i am using is DVD-Lab.

I think i need to convert the AVI to SVCD and then DVD-Lab will Multiplex the Audio and Video into the required _TS files etc.

The trouble is i am using some AVI's that are 25fps and some that are 23.9? fps.

Please tell me, as you are very knowledgable in this practice, what you would do and if possible give me resolution settings.

Thanyou for all your help.

First, you seem to be confusing SVCD and DVD.
You need to convert your avis to DVD compliant mpeg. I have already listed (some) of the DVD compliant resolutions in a previous post.

Second. If you are new to this, practice with your 25fps PAL avi's and get that right first. Converting 23.976fps NTSC Avi's to PAL requires extra steps. You need to be sure of all the basic steps before attempting this.

Once you can happily convert and author PAL DVD's, you will be ready to start the next adventure, but not before.