Can we agree on a best method?

[hech54]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

[presto]

Here are the reasons given so far:

1) It's freaking awesome (ok, but why use it here?)

2) DVD shrink isn't really a ripper (yes it is)

3) DVD shrink can't decrypt some DVD's (If you say so but does that mean you should do an extra step every time?)

4) You can quickly rip a bunch of DVD's to your HD and deal with them later. (Valid if DVDdecryper rips faster than DVD shrink with no compression. Still it wouldn't apply to most people since the process ultimately takes longer)

[Acolyte]

[quote="energy80s"]

The primary use of DVDDecryptor in conjunction with DVDShrink is to get all 4 of your NETFLIX in the mail before the last postoffice pickup today.........

Amusing, but slightly innacurate. You may either have 3, 5, or 8 movies out at a time based on your specific plan.

[q1aqza]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

I personally use DVDDecrypter before DVD Shrink for two main reasons.

1. Finding the time. I quite often only have time to rip the DVD and don't get around to tweaking DVD Shrink and making a copy until a few days later.

2. When I do find the time I like to make a copy keeping the extras but if I'm not happy with the quality then I will re-author and just keep the main movie. In this instance it saves ripping the DVD twice.

[lordsmurf]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

DVD Shrink has a lot of flaws. Ever had a disc die at 90% ... what a nice waste of 1-2 hours. All because it refused to rip.

[hech54]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

DVD Shrink has a lot of flaws. Ever had a disc die at 90% ... what a nice waste of 1-2 hours. All because it refused to rip.

I must be blessed AND lead a charmed life at the same time. I prefer DVDShrink 2.3 over the new version AND....I have NEVER had DVDShrink fail me in ANY way.....weird. That program is simply GENUIS in my book(or computer...your choice)....

[K(c)offee]

Amusing, but slightly innacurate. You may either have 3, 5, or 8 movies out at a time based on your specific plan.

Wow if you had to rip and burn 8 movies every what is it 3 days between new arivals? You would have to have alot of free time on your hands. You might even want to go out get a job and buy a few of these movies.

[kerpal]

Here are the reasons given so far:

1) It's freaking awesome (ok, but why use it here?)

2) DVD shrink isn't really a ripper (yes it is)

3) DVD shrink can't decrypt some DVD's (If you say so but does that mean you should do an extra step every time?)

4) You can quickly rip a bunch of DVD's to your HD and deal with them later. (Valid if DVDdecryper rips faster than DVD shrink with no compression. Still it wouldn't apply to most people since the process ultimately takes longer)

I'll tell you why to use DVD Decrypter here, if I think its freaking awsome, then why wouldnt I want to use it. Lets say you have two printers, one prints color at 1ppm and the other at 4ppm, in your analogy why would you use the 1ppm because it takes more time? Well if the one that prints 1ppm prints freakin awsome pictures, the extra time is worth it. As in my case, I dont care that I am adding a step, either way its giong to take you time to rip a movie whether or not your using DVD Decrypter or DVD Shrink, if im going to be wasting time as it is, I might as well use somethin that is freakin awsome compared to something that is just awsome.

[jarvis1781]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

I personally use DVDDecrypter before DVD Shrink for two main reasons.

1. Finding the time. I quite often only have time to rip the DVD and don't get around to tweaking DVD Shrink and making a copy until a few days later.

2. When I do find the time I like to make a copy keeping the extras but if I'm not happy with the quality then I will re-author and just keep the main movie. In this instance it saves ripping the DVD twice.

if you dont have the time to backup the dvd, then back it up LATER when you do have time. you do OWN the original DVD don't you???
lets stop the advocation of piracy now ok. these forums do not permit it.

[kerpal]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

I personally use DVDDecrypter before DVD Shrink for two main reasons.

1. Finding the time. I quite often only have time to rip the DVD and don't get around to tweaking DVD Shrink and making a copy until a few days later.

2. When I do find the time I like to make a copy keeping the extras but if I'm not happy with the quality then I will re-author and just keep the main movie. In this instance it saves ripping the DVD twice.

if you dont have the time to backup the dvd, then back it up LATER when you do have time. you do OWN the original DVD don't you???
lets stop the advocation of piracy now ok. these forums do not permit it.

When did he ever mention pirating a dvd? Also you kind of proved what he was saying, he said he rips the files for later so when he does have time, he will get to re-authoring it. You say he should back it up when he has time because he owns the movie that can be done whenever. To rip a DVD you dont have to be around to do it, so hes actually smarter to rip it then go do whatever, so by the time he gets back its already done and ready to go. Seems to me like you want him to waste time by actually sticking around.

[presto]

Lets say you have two printers, one prints color at 1ppm and the other at 4ppm, in your analogy why would you use the 1ppm because it takes more time? Well if the one that prints 1ppm prints freakin awsome pictures, the extra time is worth it.

So you run DVD decrypter before DVD shrink because you believe you get better quality?

I don't think so. Let's assume that DVD decrypter makes a perfect copy of the DVD. Why would you get better quality out of DVD shrink when you feed it the copy than when you feed it the original DVD? They would be the same. Useing DVD decrypter first either does nothing or it degrades the video. I don't see how it could make it better.

[lordsmurf]

Better performance, not quality. DVD Decrypter is more reliable than the ripping aspect of SHRINK.

[kerpal]

Better performance, not quality. DVD Decrypter is more reliable than the ripping aspect of SHRINK.

Exactly, Presto is just trying to be a punk.

[MOVIEGEEK]

heck54 wrote:"What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?"

I use DVDDecrypter first because DVDShrink has problems with some DVD's and if the DVD is DVD-10/18(2 sides) I can put it on one DVDR.

[presto]

Exactly, Presto is just trying to be a punk.

Kerpal, follow the discussion rather than name calling. I only asked you why you use it. I'm trying to understand your reasoning. From your analogy I thought you were claiming you get better quality with your method. I'll have to re-read that analogy about the printers again.

As for Lordsmurfs comment. I've never had a store bought DVD that DVD shrink had any trouble with. I'm sure Lordsmurf has or he wouldn't say that. But still does it make sense to use DVD decrypter and DVD shrink on every DVD rather than just useing DVD decrypter on those rare occasions when you run into trouble?

(To be fair I don't rip a lot of store bought DVDs. If you guys say that DVD shrink has trouble with a lot of DVD's I can't argue the point. I'm just trying to understand why some people use DVD decrypter first)

(P.S. All this talk of Netflix got me curious. I just signed up for my free trial)

[kerpal]

Look Presto, if it really means that much to you, i'll delete DVD Decrypter right now and only use DVD Shrink, cause as long as your happy Im happy. I didnt realize us using dvd decrypter was such a problem, and now that I know it bugs you, i'll stop using it. About the name calling, I wasnt calling you anything that would cause affence, if your being a punk your being a punk, not a big deal.

[presto]

Lighten up kerpal. Where did I say you shouldn't use it? You can run DVD decrypter 10 times before DVD shrink if you want. I just asked why and tried to understand you. It's called a discussion. Stop discussing whenever you want.

[kerpal]

I never said you said I shouldnt use it, I simple made a suggestion saying that all of us who use dvd decrypter stop using it, it would make you feel better... And yes this is a discussion and im discussing with you right now if im not mistaken. You want me to lighten up? I didnt know I was taking it seriously, I was just trying to give a resolution to the problem you seem to have with DVD Decrypter.

[q1aqza]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

I personally use DVDDecrypter before DVD Shrink for two main reasons.

1. Finding the time. I quite often only have time to rip the DVD and don't get around to tweaking DVD Shrink and making a copy until a few days later.

2. When I do find the time I like to make a copy keeping the extras but if I'm not happy with the quality then I will re-author and just keep the main movie. In this instance it saves ripping the DVD twice.

if you dont have the time to backup the dvd, then back it up LATER when you do have time. you do OWN the original DVD don't you???
lets stop the advocation of piracy now ok. these forums do not permit it.

Mum, I didn't realise you were a member of this forum, I'm so sorry, I'll be a good little boy from now on and do all my homework first and then I will make sure I find the time to sit down and back up my DVD in one go and if I am not happy with the result I'll have to do it all over again. GET REAL JARVIS!

And don't make unsubstantiated accusations about the nature of my use of freely available software tools - talking from personal experience are you?

[hech54]

I'm just not sure why people feel the need to always place DVDDecrypter AHEAD of DVDShrink in the process of backing up a DVD. I don't recall ever needing to rip an entire DVD with DVDDecrypter....then loading it into DVDShrink. What scenario are people coming across that requires this method?

I personally use DVDDecrypter before DVD Shrink for two main reasons.

1. Finding the time. I quite often only have time to rip the DVD and don't get around to tweaking DVD Shrink and making a copy until a few days later.

2. When I do find the time I like to make a copy keeping the extras but if I'm not happy with the quality then I will re-author and just keep the main movie. In this instance it saves ripping the DVD twice.

if you dont have the time to backup the dvd, then back it up LATER when you do have time. you do OWN the original DVD don't you???
lets stop the advocation of piracy now ok. these forums do not permit it.

I agree with Jarvis on this one. We ALL know that SOME people get their jolly's at least "copying" DVD's that they do not own. I personally believe there is no real money to be made selling copies of DVD's....which nullifies "The Industry's" claim that piracy is costing them millions. However.....since rented DVD's do not come with covers....and there are web sites devoted to just DVD Covers.....Hmmmm.
NO...I'm no angel myself either....but let's not kid ourselves....OK?

[rhegedus]

...then I will make sure I find the time to sit down and back up my DVD in one go and if I am not happy with the result I'll have to do it all over again.

Let's not make heavy work of this:

RIP - 15 mins
Transcode - 20mins
Burn - 20 mins

Done in less than an hour in stages that you can slot in at any time!

And if you're not happy with any results, you'd have to do it all again no matter what software you used!

[Crawl]

Why is everything timebased ???

Me stick with CCE.....and say to all of the transcoder users, as long as you happy stick with it....

Crawl

[LeoNapier]

I agree with all the ppl that are using DVDDecrypter b4 DVDShrink!

My usage scenario is (apart from when DVDShrink messes up the ripping sometimes!! Sorry man, great piece of software! I do love it!!) if the movie comes out not satisfactory quality-wise with DVDShrink, I then open the ripped files with DVD2DVD-R and go to bed!!!

Using DVDDecrypter saves me having to rip again if DVDshrink messes up!!

Just my 2 pence.

LeoNapier

[q1aqza]

Hech54,

Now you're making accusations. What is it with you people. Just because I choose to use arguably the best ripper available to rip my DVDs rather than use the ripper that is built into DVD Shrink and because I don't always choose to rip and back-up my DVDs at the same time I get accused of copying DVDs that aren't my own. I feel sorry for anyone that gets you on their jury.

Rhegedus,

Why rip a DVD twice when you can do it only once and then manipulate / transcode from your hard drive as many times as you like until you are happy with the result.


At the end of the day everyone prefers their own methods but a lot of people on this forum these days attack other people for not doing it "their way". But to get accused of DVD piracy just because of a method is getting a bit daft. I'm just glad I have a life.

[rhegedus]

Why rip a DVD twice when you can do it only once and then manipulate / transcode from your hard drive as many times as you like until you are happy with the result.

What are you on about? I'm in the DVDdecrypter, DVD2ONE and Nero camp.

[Acolyte]

Not sure why no one mentions CloneDVD/AnyDVD....

Painless process, put Original in 1st DVD drive put Blank in DVD burner drive....

15 minutes whole thing is completed....

Maybe people don't like the price...want a free ride.

[q1aqza]

Why rip a DVD twice when you can do it only once and then manipulate / transcode from your hard drive as many times as you like until you are happy with the result.

What are you on about? I'm in the DVDdecrypter, DVD2ONE and Nero camp.

Sorry about that. You quoted my sarcastic comment to jarvis and I interpreted your meaning, or rather mis-interpreted it, as though you were having a pop at me !!

I guess I was still reeling from the comments of the other two characters. !!!

[rhegedus]

[sport404]

What about DVDXCOPY Express, I've done 5 movies so far and only copy the movie part and haven't had any problems yet. No need or any other software. Just a one step deal, can anyone tell me of any downsides to this program??

Thanks

[tb33]

I agree with you kerpal