DVDshrink & TMPGenc Author

[TipTopTyp]

Hi all,
I have just begun DVD-Backupping-authoring, and I found almost every answer to my questions here on these sites...but not all
- This is what I want to do:
Rip 2 films from 2 different DVDs to 1 DVD+R and create a menue to make them selectable.

- This is what I did:
With the help of the latest Beta of DVDShrink and this
guide I ripped it succesfully to my harddisk. (Quality is still ok, did a trial burn on a RW)
Then I imported the folder to TMPGenc Author(Add DVD video). It shows a warning, that the bitrate is too high . If I ignore this, a non-standard DVD would be created.
I hit "Ignore" and created the menue.
Then started the Output...
The created folder has a size of 3.5 GB instead of 4.4GB, TMPGenc obviously compressed the film once more.(and therefore the quality is lower)
My questions:
- Is the bitrate really too high or doesn't TMPGenc identify it correctly?

- Why does TMPGenc compress it once more?(Maybe 'cause of the bitrate?)

- Does authoring software always have to re-encode the film to create menues?

in advance, thx TTT

[DoubleShadowIce]

TMPGenc DVD Author does not compress. The reason you have a lesser size is because TDA only accepts video and one audio. Current TDA also does accept subtitles. If you had more, it doesn't detect/accept it. Read the FAQ!

[TipTopTyp]

Hi DSI,
as far as I remember, there was only one audio track for both films,
and the two films were recognized by TDA as two chapters of one film.

I didn't take over anything else (chapters, subtitles....)

Still can't understand , why the output became smaller...?

Thx TTT

[presto]

I think you are doing things backward. Import each DVD into Tmpgenc DVD Author using the "Add DVD Video Button". When the box pops up put a check in the box that forces Tmpgenc DVD Author to first copy the file to your hard drive. Add both DVD's and author a new DVD (ignore the warning about it being too big. Then use DVD shrink to fit it to one DVD.

I don't know why you are having trouble with sizes changing but you won't have that problem with the above method.

(I think I might have figured out the size change you are seeing. DVD shrink gives you a folder with several files in it. The menus are a separate .vob . When you import into Tmpgenc DVD Author you are not importing these menus because you have to make your own.)

[TipTopTyp]

Thanks presto,
that sounds like a good advice...
I'll give it a try.

[Poppa_Meth]

you may not be able to use DVD Shrink to shrink it afterwards. the last couple discs I've authored this way Shrink won't open. says it can't decode the encryption, which there shouldn't be any anyway. Smart ripper opens it fine though.

[presto]

you may not be able to use DVD Shrink to shrink it afterwards. the last couple discs I've authored this way Shrink won't open. says it can't decode the encryption, which there shouldn't be any anyway. Smart ripper opens it fine though.

Known Issue. With Tmpgenc DVD Author you must NOT use DVD shrink 3 (Beta). Use DVDshrink 2.3 and you will have no trouble. If you want to use the deep analysis that is only available in DVDshrink 3 (Beta) all you have to do is run it through 2.3 with no compressin and then use DVDshrink 3 (Beta) on the result.

[secretagent]

the file could be smaller because tmpgdvdauthor can use ac3 audio instead of the source audio when it authors the dvd

[lacywest]

I've done what you are talking about .... but as for compressing ... NO.

That is one reason why TMPGEnc DVD Author is used ... it doesn't mess with the compression part.

Yes it will convert DVD compliant Mpg2 videos into a VOB/DVD Video format but it wont increase/decrease the bitrate.

It is possible you were mixing different videos into one section. TMPGEnc DVD Author ... tells me I can't do that ... so ... I don't.

So ... I have to select another session ... I guess that is the term to use.

In other words ... can't mix a video with LPCM audio and another video with AC-3 audio in the same session.

So just click whatever it is ... to create another session to add your other video with the other type of audio.

What version of TMPGEnc DVD Author are you using. I'm using TMPGEnc DVD Author v1.5.15.49.

And yes ... DVDShrink 2.3 will process the project and then use DVDShrink 3 Beta 5 or Nero Recode 2 for final processing.

Oh and for motion menu ... I wont hear any audio if the motion menu is using a video with AC-3 audio.

I will have audio if I create a separate video with LPCM audio

This is how I do it.

[TipTopTyp]

Thanks for all replies so far...

@lacywest

I used the same Version of TDA 1.5.15.49 and DVDShrink 3.5 BETA...
One film had a 2 channel audio, the other a 6 channel audio, is this what you meant by
"In other words ... can't mix a video with LPCM audio and another video with AC-3 audio in the same session. "

As I mentioned above I just started to deal with DVD Ripping/Authoring and didn't thought it would be so complex.
But it's interesting and I will do my very best TTT

[lacywest]

Thanks for all replies so far...

@lacywest

I used the same Version of TDA 1.5.15.49 and DVDShrink 3.5 BETA...
One film had a 2 channel audio, the other a 6 channel audio, is this what you meant by
"In other words ... can't mix a video with LPCM audio and another video with AC-3 audio in the same session. "

It's possible ... 2 ch AC-3 is that simple AC-3 2-CH audio
and 6 ch AC-3 is ... Dolby 5.1.

Yeah ... I dont think it is possible to mix two different types of audio ... even in AC-3.

Give it a try ... shouldn't take up too much time ... fire up TDA and import some vob files that you know have AC-3 2-CH ... and some vob files that use AC-3 Dolby 5.1.

Use PowerDVD with Information clicked on ... it will show what type of audio is being played ... while video is playing.

If you get a error message ... remove one of them and swap it with another Vob file set with same audio format.

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OR ... do the original suggestion ... put the 2ch audio in one session and the 6ch audio in another session. That should work.
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I've done this ... the Video "007 Die Another Day"

The Maddona Video is on the Second Disk DVD.

I wanted to have on one DVD ... the Maddona Videos and then the actual movie play afterwards. [I later on learned how to do this with DVDShrink]

So ... I found the two Madonna Videos on Disk 2 and extracted them.

I then opened up TDA ... and imported the two Madonna videos both use 2 CH AC-3 audio. I believe I used separate sessions.

I then made a third session ... the movie it self. AC-3 6-CH Dolby 5.1

Came out nice ... no problems.

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I also used Sonic Foundry Vegas Video 4 ... and created a custom scene of the chase scene on ice ... with Madonna singing "Die Another Day" the Dirty Vegas Mix ... replacing the actual soundtrack ... slightly more spicy. [In the actual movie ... she sings that ... as the End Credits are rolling up].

I tried it as my Menu background video in TDA. But it ended up becoming a session itself ... I even used Vegas Video to add credits to it too. Very Cool.

[TipTopTyp]

Had a little time today and tried to do, what presto wrote:

I think you are doing things backward. Import each DVD into Tmpgenc DVD Author using the "Add DVD Video Button". When the box pops up put a check in the box that forces Tmpgenc DVD Author to first copy the file to your hard drive. Add both DVD's and author a new DVD (ignore the warning about it being too big. Then use DVD shrink to fit it to one DVD.

I couldn't open the DVD directly...
(From the TDA-Help:
"Add DVD-Video/DVD-VR"
You can add a DVD-Video previously authored by TMPGEnc DVD Author or a DVD-Video recorded in DVD-VR mode on a DVD recorder or on a DVD-RAM recorder as a clip.)
So I ripped the two films with DVDshrink in two separate folders..
in each case only the main movie, one audiotrack, no compression.
Every folder has a size of 3.76GB...together over 7GB...


Then I imported them into TDA, created the menue and started the output...again the warning comes up, the bitrate is too high (over 9848kbps, video=9800kbps + audio=224kbps=10024kbps)
I ignored it started the output...

TDA creates a folder with a size of 5.79GB...almost 2GB smaller..
WHY???

@lacywest: what do you exactly mean by "session"?

Greetz TTT