DVD2ONE & DVD Decrypter Rip / File Size Massive Differan

[djblade]

Hi, ripped a movie with dvd2one earlier today, movie only, with 5.1dd audio & variable bitrate selected, the resulting file was just 3.7 gig, thought this was low, as its a dvd9, so tried to rip movie only with dvd decrypter and the folder was 3.93 gigs, whats the crack..? should i try to do something with the dvd decrypter files or what, the main thing is quality ....just want the movie, but at the best bitrate to fit on a dvd disc, i've read somewhere that you should use dvd decrypter to rip, then offer the files to dvd2one, i went straight with dvd2one earlier. thanks for any help ...

(movie is legally blonde 2)

oh, and Merry Xmas to all readers of this....

[NYPlayer]

djblade,

You answered your own question u ripped movie only...obviously the rest of the crap was all extra material to bring it up to dvd9.

[iooi]

Well if the movie is less than a dvd-r (4.3 gig) then you have no need to use dvd2one.....Just use dvd decrypter to rip and burn....
You only need to use dvd2one if the file size is to big to fit on to one disk.

[FulciLives]

Hi, ripped a movie with dvd2one earlier today, movie only, with 5.1dd audio & variable bitrate selected, the resulting file was just 3.7 gig, thought this was low, as its a dvd9, so tried to rip movie only with dvd decrypter and the folder was 3.93 gigs, whats the crack..? should i try to do something with the dvd decrypter files or what, the main thing is quality ....just want the movie, but at the best bitrate to fit on a dvd disc, i've read somewhere that you should use dvd decrypter to rip, then offer the files to dvd2one, i went straight with dvd2one earlier. thanks for any help ...

(movie is legally blonde 2)

oh, and Merry Xmas to all readers of this....

Sometimes a DVD9 will have SO many extras on it that the actual movie (less the extras) will fit on a single layer DVD recordable. Sometimes the difference between it fitting (with no compression) vs needing compression comes into play with how many audio and/or subtitle tracks you use.

For instance I backed up TOMB RAIDER 2 THE CRADLE OF LIFE recently and selecting MOVIE ONLY in DVD2ONE and the 5.1 DD English audio track I was able to get it to fit WITHOUT the need of compression. If I had included the 2.0 DD commentary track it would have had to compress it by about 5% or so.

Here is what I do ...

1.) Rip the DVD to my HDD using DVD Decrypter in FILE MODE and SELECT ALL FILES

2.) Load it up into DVDShrink

3.) Go into RE-AUTHOR mode and drage the MAIN MOVIE into the RE-AUTHOR window. Now you will know EXACTLY how big the MAIN MOVIE is sans the extras.

4.) Determine if it will fit on a single layer DVD recordable. Play around with de-selecting subtitle and/or audio tracks you don't need.

5.) Now use DVD2ONE for the back-up selecting just MOVIE ONLY and just the subtitle/audio tracks you want. Like I said sometimes you may have to omit some stuff here to make it "fit" without compression.

6.) The DVD2ONE back-up will NOT be compressed if the final size of the stripped movie only version is less than your file size in DVD2ONE.

If the MOVIE ONLY is less than 4.37GB or whatever size you pick in DVD2ONE then it will be less.

So since DVD2ONE created a MOVIE ONLY back-up that is only 3.7GB that is your "clue" that the MOVIE ONLY did not need compression. The reason why it was more in MOVIE ONLY ripping mode in DVD Decrypter could be because you stripped some audio/subtitle files in DVD2ONE (for 3.7GB) whereas the MOVIE ONLY rip that DVD Decrypter does would include all audio/subtitle streams which would explain why it was a bit bigger than 3.7GB.

So remember ... DVD2ONE will only do compression when it is needed.

As you can tell I am a fan of DVD2ONE and I only use DVDShrink to help me to see if compression will be used or not in DVD2ONE. One problem I had with DVDShrink is that it doesn't always handle "forced" subs very well whereas I haven't had that problem with DVD2ONE. An example of "forced" subs would be BULLETPROOF MONK for instance. Even if you don't pick English subtitles they will still pop up when people speak Chinese in the movie (but only at those times). My DVDShrink back-up omitted this feature (no subs AT ALL) whereas my second attempt at backing it up (using DVD2ONE) allowed me to keep this subtitle feature (subtitles popping up only when characters spoke CHINESE). That is one reason why I use DVD2ONE to back-up the MAIN MOVIE. I also think it does "better" compression/transcoding than DVDShrink but I suppose that is a subjective thing to say.

Anyways ...

Another trick you can use ...

After you make your back-up of just the movie ... maybe you want the extras? So use DVDShrink and apply STILL IMAGES to the MAIN MOVIE and de-select all of the subtitle and audio streams for the MAIN MOVIE. If you are lucky the final size will fit on a DVD recordable without compression. Now you have a 2-disc back-up with one disc having the MOVIE ONLY with little (or maybe no compression if you are lucky) and a second disc with a complete back-up of the menu and all extras with NO compression.

This method works great for the anal retentive quality nut that wants it all with little to no compression. The only problem is that sometimes you have to pick and choose what audio/subtitle tracks you want on the main movie. Often this means cutting out audio commentary tracks but it is a back-up afterall so if you REALLY need that stuff you still have the original. Not like one listens to audio commentary often enough to warrent it being on a back-up only copy.

Now you can of course get a 100% (never any compression) back-up if you split it out over 2 discs with something like DVDFab or DVDXCopy but then that splits the MAIN MOVIE usually over both discs which interupts the playback of the movie. My method described above doesn't do that

- John "FulciLives" Coleman