sizing up new HDD - how large...? plus other queries

[indolikaa]

I never said I was the expert in the English language, Doctor. I merely stated your skills with English spelling and grammar were substandard. Please do not confuse your view of reality with the truth.

Now, if you would like to discuss the physics behind propelling a multi-stage thermonuclear warhead 10,000 miles towards a marginally-proficient doctor of mental health with a circular error of probability in the neighborhood of a few meters, I'm your Expert.

Let me begin by speaking in terms you would understand, Doctor.

What goes up, must come down.


Next! :P

P.S., Doctor: It is against Forum Rules/AUP to immediately answer your own post. That's why our generous hosts have included an 'Edit' button.

[Leoslocks]

English is the problem.

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:

1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

3. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

4. The Italians drink excessive amounts of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

5. The Germans drink a lot of beers and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

CONCLUSION:
Eat and drink what you like.
Speaking English is apparently what kills you

[indolikaa]

Well if that's the case, I'd better not crossover into commercial airline piloting. That would be inviting Hell to the dinner table!

[The village idiot]

That's right. We have people proclaiming to 'know shit' without offering any proof they actually 'know shit.'


Anybody else wanna play?

I just had to add to this:


Let me tell you that I know when I see .
I can point to it and say "that is shit!" ----->

Now does anyone want to argue that I know shit?

[trevlac]

Btw. that double and triple Masters thing...(?). No way you could do it in Europe. They have much stricter criteria and using same courses to show eligibility for 2 Masters is not welcome

One of them is a Masters in Business Administration. The other is a Masters in Psychology she got on the way to becoming a clinical Psychologist. I don't think there was much crossover, but maybe. Can't say I paid much attention.

I had her to read the thread and give me an opinion on indolikaa. She said if he is bipolar, he is most likely in his manic state right now. Appearently this doesn't last that long, but then she babbled something about slow and rapid cyclers. My hope is that when he hits his depresive state you don't drive him over the edge, suicidal tendencies and all ya know.


@Leoslocks

Does typing in english count? If you speak anglish like Foghorn Lenghorn are you safe? My friends think I speak gibberish so maybe I'm safe.

[proxyx99]

Thermonuclear nutcase and a commercial pilot in one package.
God help us.

[indolikaa]

I had her to read the thread and give me an opinion on indolikaa. She said if he is bipolar, he is most likely in his manic state right now. Appearently this doesn't last that long, but then she babbled something about slow and rapid cyclers. My hope is that when he hits his depresive state you don't drive him over the edge, suicidal tendencies and all ya know.

trevlac, remember your reaction when you read Foghorn Leghorn and Freud in the same thread?

Let's analyze this, shall we? There's so many possibilities here!

"if he is bipolar, he is most likely in his manic state right now."
If I was bipolar, would I admit that I was bipolar? I'm not. But if I say I'm not bipolar, does this then mean that my denial is an admission that I am and cannot accept reality?

"Apparently, this doesn't last long"
I hope not. I just read what I posted earlier this afteroon. I need to chill out a little, there's a spelling error in the fourth post. I need to get control again. An unacceptable slip on my part.

"but then she babbled"
Whoa! I see a serious husband-beating coming tonight.

"something about slow and rapid cyclers"
No pillow talk here, mister. That's just plain none of your business!

"my hope is that when he hits his depressive state"
I wake up every morning. The first thing I normally do is thank God for what I have been given. The second thing I do is kiss my wife and tell her I love her. The bathroom is only a few steps away, so the day goes downhill from there.

"you don't drive him over the edge, suicidal tendencies and all"
Hardly. You don't know how much fun I had typing in those posts.

trev! I wonder, I say I wonder if I may owe defense some money when this is all said and done?

And as for that Village Idiot? Your post is just plain full of shit. :P

[AlfB]

Surreal,

I will attempt to answer your question since everyone else seems to have gone off on a tangent. I use Virtual VCR and record AVI at 720x480 using Huffyuv. Others may disagree, however, I find Huffyuv to have the best quality with a decent amount of compression and it is free. I get approx 30 GB/hour of video using this. What you will get is an AVI file with audio included. I use TMPGEnc to encode and I have not found anything that compares to the quality (I would avoid recording directly to MPEG either with hardware or software encoding due to lowered quality IMHO). It is free for the MPEG-1 version (VCD) and there is a small cost to the MPEG-2 version (SVCD/DVD). You can just encode from the AVI using TMPGEnc and you will get MPEG-2 video and PCM audio (CD audio) but PCM is not compressed. This not a problem other than you waste space on the DVD. What I do is use ffmpeggui to take the audio and create AC3 audio (Dolby Digital). I then use TMPGEnc as stated before and get the MPEG-2 file with PCM (you get two files, x.m2v and x.wav). You can get rid of the .wav file and then use the .ac3 file and the .m2v file. I then use TMPGEnc DVD Author and Author the DVD using the .m2v (video) and .ac3 (audio) files to create the files that something like CloneDVD can use to burn the DVD.

So as you can see, audio is in the AVI, then is pulled out into a PCM or AC3 file and then is utilized to create the DVD.

On the issue of HDD size, get as big as you can afford keeping in mind the value point. 120GB is fine but I look at total amount and price/GB to get the best value. Raid is nice, but not required. I do not have raid and I do not have a problem with lost frames. It mainly depends on several things, CPU speed, HDD speed (get 7200 RPM) and HDD access (ATA66, ATA100 etc). ATA100 is fine as long as you have a fairly decent CPU and do not do anything else while capturing. You also need to avoid using the drive that the system is loaded on to capture to and format using NTFS (this allows for files >4GB). Keep in mind that even with a 120GB drive, you will probably only be able to work on a single 2 hour capture at a time especially if you are doing something like editing out commercials which by the way I use TMPGEnc DVD Author to do.

Hope this long explanation helps with your question.

[indolikaa]

I will attempt to answer your question since everyone else seems to have gone off on a tangent.

Fine. Be that way.

I use Virtual VCR and record AVI at 720x480 using Huffyuv. Others may disagree, however, I find Huffyuv to have the best quality with a decent amount of compression and it is free. I get approx 30 GB/hour of video using this. What you will get is an AVI file with audio included.

Virtual VCR? Don't use it. Huffyuv quality? Excellent. File size per hour? Sounds about right.

I use MPGEnc to encode and I have not found anything that compares to the quality (I would avoid recording directly to MPEG either with hardware or software encoding due to lowered quality IMHO)

I would disagree. Excellent quality can be obtained using an ATI AIW card for realtime MPEG-2 captures.

AVI captures and conversions take at least twice as long as realtime. If time is a serious issue, consider the All-In-Wonder. Otherwise, you cannot go wrong with full-stream AVI. I haven't.

It is free for the MPEG-1 version (VCD) and there is a small cost to the MPEG-2 version (SVCD/DVD). You can just encode from the AVI using TMPGEnc and you will get MPEG-2 video and PCM audio (CD audio) but PCM is not compressed. This not a problem other than you waste space on the DVD.

I agree.

What I do is use ffmpeggui to take the audio and create AC3 audio (Dolby Digital). I then use TMPGEnc as stated before and get the MPEG-2 file with PCM (you get two files, x.m2v and x.wav). You can get rid of the .wav file and then use the .ac3 file and the .m2v file. I then use TMPGEnc DVD Author and Author the DVD using the .m2v (video) and .ac3 (audio) files to create the files that something like CloneDVD can use to burn the DVD.

So as you can see, audio is in the AVI, then is pulled out into a PCM or AC3 file and then is utilized to create the DVD.

Sounds good so far.

On the issue of HDD size, get as big as you can afford keeping in mind the value point. 120GB is fine but I look at total amount and price/GB to get the best value.

I'd go higher. Based on today's pricing, 160GB is dollar/GB the same as 120GB.

Raid is nice, but not required. I do not have raid and I do not have a problem with lost frames.

That's what my experience has shown.

It mainly depends on several things, CPU speed, HDD speed (get 7200 RPM) and HDD access (ATA66, ATA100 etc). ATA100 is fine as long as you have a fairly decent CPU and do not do anything else while capturing.

Agreed.

You also need to avoid using the drive that the system is loaded on to capture to and format using NTFS (this allows for files >4GB).

You just read what is probably the most important part right here. Separate IDE channel for your capture drive.

Keep in mind that even with a 120GB drive, you will probably only be able to work on a single 2 hour capture at a time especially if you are doing something like editing out commercials which by the way I use TMPGEnc DVD Author to do.

Sounds good to me, although I've never used TMPGEnc DVD Author. It comes highly recommended, though.

Hope this long explanation helps with your question.

Excellent. With only a minor thought regarding the All-In-Wonder card, this is about the best advice you could ask for.

My first attempt at transferring the Star Wars LaserDisc Trilogy was done using AVI with huffyuv. No complaints.

[gmatov]

This has been such an entertaining thread so far, I wish AlfB hadn't got it back on, I guess, track.

Hey, you manic depressive, get back into the depressive state, you're gonna drive some of the interesting posters away.

We don't have enough of them to spare.

Cheers,

George

[PolarBearWY]

I use Virtual VCR and record AVI at 720x480 using Huffyuv. Others may disagree, however, I find Huffyuv to have the best quality with a decent amount of compression and it is free. I get approx 30 GB/hour of video using this. What you will get is an AVI file with audio included. I use TMPGEnc to encode and I have not found anything that compares to the quality (I would avoid recording directly to MPEG either with hardware or software encoding due to lowered quality IMHO).

I get pretty much the same quality capturing straight to MPG2 with my AIW, and I only use about 3 GB/hr.

I'm just curious here. What source are you capturing from where you need 30 GB/hr? Last I checked, my high-quality SuperBit retail DVD movies contained near-flawless 2-hr movies with high-quality DTS audio in about 8 GBs of space. That's 4 GB/hr for Superbit.

A normal DVD would also contain several more audio tracks, lots of subtitles, lots of extras, trailers, etc. in about the same or less space.

I'm really curious as to where you got your Super Duper Cooper Looper Mongo Jombie Higher Than High Definition TV signal (SDCLMJHTHDTV).

Always remember to consider your source. If your source is VHS, SVHS, satellite (hell, even DVD, laser, or HD), 30 GB/hr is overkill. But, that's just my opinion.

Oh yeah. Some have expressed concern that I may not have been on the site all that long. Don't forget the rules of deduction. The date I registered says nothing about how long I have been around here. I've actually been around for about 2+ years, back when it was www.vcdhelper.com or whatever it was previously.

[SatStorm]

too long!
And with lot of avatars
BTW: it was www.vcdhelp.com the vcdhelper.com was someone else with a clever (and totaly illegal) idea: He simply forword his site to this site, by adding pop ups for his benefits.

[Leoslocks]

My Ti4200 will not capture MPEG2 in real time. PolarBearWY
, let me borrow your AIW and try it.
30 gig per hour is about what I capture AVI at.

[trevlac]

Always remember to consider your source. If your source is VHS, SVHS, satellite (hell, even DVD, laser, or HD), 30 GB/hr is overkill. But, that's just my opinion.

....

I've actually been around for about 2+ years, back when it was www.vcdhelper.com or whatever it was previously.

#1 - Silly comments on 30gb Huffyuv vs 3gb Mpeg. It's a codec thing. YUV has twice the color of MPEG, so does a crappy analog source. Try filtering the noise out of a crapy mpeg capture. It's easier if you do not cap in mpeg. The concept is as you do your steps, don't limit the pipe. It's a valid concept. End results depend upon many things. Every piece of hw in the process including the final viewing TV. Rant...Rant...Rant

#2 - Me too. Are we the same person arguing with each other? What do you think SatStorm?

[SatStorm]

I love you

In the matter of fact I love everyone here

Expecially indolikaa. He knows how to make me feel

About you trevlac, I have a special interest as you manage to realise...

And someone here has to ... before it is too late!

Times like these, I wish of king john to be here. Or Kwag! Kwag, where are you? I miss you sooooo much! Post again, let's have some fun again!

Don't mention other members, now most of them are moderators :

Yo, Baldrick: Do a favor in this forum: Ban me! I know that this gonna make some people happy!

[indolikaa]

LOL, SatStorm!

I am SORELY disappointed in myself for not contributing to this thread when King John was around. THAT would have been a real pleasure.

'And in this corner, weighing in with a Cray SMP-1 supercomputing core with 14 terahertz of total horsepower and 200 terabytes of storage and an ego to match, from somewhere in the deep Sudan, King John!'

'And in this corner, weighing in with an overclocked Athlon 1200, 60 gigabytes of storage, and a temper that would make Gina look docile, from somewhere in the Little Colorado River valley in Arizona, Indolikaa!'

'Tonight's referee for this 15-round bashing, The Playa, the media bitch, defense! And your judges for this evening, the mad Greek SatStorm, the professional bad-ass jeex, and the unappreciated Will Hay!'

'Let's get it on!'

[trevlac]

1. "Boys as sharp as a bowling ball."
   
2. "Pay attention, boy!"
   
3. "I don't see no hula hula girls."
   
4. "We have been flim-flammed."
   
5. "Fortunately, I keep my feathers numbered for just such an emergency"
   
6. "Boy's like a dead horse -- got no get-up-and-go..."
   
7. "This is gonna cause more confusion than a mouse in a burlesque show!"
   
8. "You're doing a lot of choppin', but no chips are flyin'."
   
9. "That boy's as strong as an ox, and just about as smart."
   
10. "Pay attention, boy! I'm cuttin' but you're not bleedin'!"
    
11. "Go away, boy, ya bother me!"
    
12. "Kid don't stop talking so much he'll get his tongue sun burned."
    
13. "I don't think this kid's got all his marbles. Shakes his head when he means yes and nods when he means no."
    
14. "That boy's so dumb, he thinks a Mexican boarder pays rent."
    
15. "Okay, I'll shut up. Some fellas have to keep their tongues flappin' but not me. I was brought up right. My pa used to tell me to shut up and I'd shut up. I wouldn't say nothin'. One time darn near starved to death. WOULDN'T TELL HIM I WAS HUNGRY!!"
    
16. "About as smart as a sack of wet mice"

For shorter posts, refer to the number and I'll look on the list. I've got this thread "bookmarked".

Hey, I'm just a newbie trying to learn ... I can be as thick as a little chicken hawk sometimes ...

[Will Hay]

posted in error, sorry

[SatStorm]

Pay attention, boy!
That's me. SatStorm that is!
Here's me with trevlac!
Pay attention, boy! I'm cuttin' but you're not bleedin'!
Kid trevlac! stop talking so much you'll get your tongue sun-burned.
Pay attention, boy!
Nice kid, but as sharp as a bowling ball!

[indolikaa]

Nice kid, but as sharp as a bowling ball!

That's me!

[trevlac]

Pay attention, boy!
That's me. SatStorm that is!
Here's me with trevlac!
Pay attention, boy! I'm cuttin' but you're not bleedin'!
Kid trevlac! stop talking so much you'll get your tongue sun-burned.
Pay attention, boy!
Nice kid, but as sharp as a bowling ball!

Using trevlac compression

2,That's me. StatStorm that is!, Here's me with trevlac!, 10, 12*, 2, 1*

* indicates a small quantization error

[lordsmurf]

"About as smart as a sack of wet mice" is my favorite one.

[trevlac]

"About as smart as a sack of wet mice" is my favorite one.

Thanks, I added it to the list.

[SatStorm]

This code thing, might work also as an avisyth plug in!

SatStormSource("https://www.videohelp.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3490")
PostSource("https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192525&start=120")
BullShit(1.0)
BicubicResize(352,576)
AddComment ("2,That's me. StatStorm that is!, Here's me with trevlac!, 10, 12*, 2, 1*")

[trevlac]

That is exactly what we need for many of the threads around here. An Avisynth Bullshit filter! I love it!

Where is Truman when we need him?

[lordsmurf]

That is exactly what we need for many of the threads around here. An Avisynth Bullshit filter! I love it!

Where is Truman when we need him?

I thought most AVISYNTH filters were bullshit anyway...

...as I now duck from all the flying debri from loyal AVISynth'ers.... I was only kidding...

[PolarBearWY]

Edited. Will add original message later (on topic). Sorry... hehehe.

[trevlac]

Edited. Will add original message later (on topic). Sorry... hehehe.

You big tease....

[Will Hay]

For the life of me I haven't a clue what those last two posts mean.
Please, let me in..........
Will

[PolarBearWY]

I originally posted something, about hard drive space... and decided not to post til I have finalized my results. But, without a delete message feature, I had to put something in there. I guess I could have put an ALT-255 in there. lol.