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    Ok....

    1. dvdbackup yields a VIDEO_TS thats 7.53 GB (8,094,210,052 bytes)
    2. i look at the folder and check the size of just the movie files and the menu total is 4.4GB (4,775,182,336 bytes)

    now, obviously the difference is extras and what not, so I pull them, replacing with blank text files which has worked in the past. Go to toast and it says i need additional 100 megs?!

    Ok, no problem, dvd2one this baby down just a bit... so that when i do this it will be 100 megs less.

    now here's where it gets crazy!

    I have tried all of the following values for user size
    1. 7520
    2. 7510
    3. 7500
    4. 8000

    all of these yield nothing of the sort expected. especailly the 8000!
    I would think a value greater than avaliable would just rewrite the folder! but no!

    Total size is now 7.13 GB (7,65,826,800 bytes) whos important video files are 4.04 GB (4,35,899,008 bytes)

    is this a glitch in the file size estimator of the OS or dvd2one? Or is it some thing else?!?!

    what the heck is going on here!!!!

    im almost ready to just burn it as is, but i would think im shorting myself 396 megs!

    any thoughts?!
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    How about just burning the VIDEO_TS folder on a new DVD format disc, and omitting the rest? If it's still too big, try tossing a VOB from some track you don't want (if there are any extra video titles on the DVD). Just remember not to select that VOB's button in the menu from now on. There is really no need to replace extra files with same-name text files. Just toss everything non-critical that doesn't fit. I've noticed similar peculiarities on some DVDs, and just burnt a DVD containing the VIDEO_TS folder, and it worked swell. Just out of curiosity, when you launch OSEx with that DVD in the drive, and put it in DVD Image mode, what size does it report for the disc? Also, when you get info on just the VIDEO_TS folder that's on the DVD, what size does the Finder report for it?
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    the finder reports this for file size of the dvd

    7.53 GB (8,097,197,760 bytes) which is same as the backed up dvd +/- some bytes

    Also, everything was removed and 100 megs were still required, thus my rationale to decrease the dvd just ever so slightly with dvd2one, yet even if i set it to a size LARGER than it it, i get something smaller than ive started with (by about 400 megs!)

    OSeX shows it as 7.65 Gigs (doesnt give me bytes) but again how strange!!!!!!

    i know im barking up a tree over 400 megs, but it just a shocking finding I think


    PS. you say i can just toss the unneeded .vob's!?! yet when i did that earlier my dvd player and apple dvd player flip out! text files are only 4k so i doubt 16k is what is pushing me over
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    The finder says 7.53 GB for just the VIDEO_TS folder on the DVD (not the entire DVD)? Are you using DTOX in disc copy mode or film only mode? On the original DVD, are the 7.53 GB accounted for (by adding up the various big files)? If so, what is taking up all the room? Are there several main video tracks (like full-screen and wide-screen or something)? About tossing VOBs: I've done this many times, and it works swell with video title sets (VTS) that contain only useless content, like previews and trailers and such. Usually, I just toss the VTSXX_01.VOB and following VOB files from those unnecessary VTS, leaving the VTSXX_00.VOB file, which is usually pretty small, along with the .IFO and .BUP files. You just have to be careful to not throw out VOBs that contain clips that the DVD menu or intro plays. Some DVDs are pretty bad about this (Back to the Future trilogy, I'm talking to you!), playing clips from each VTS before it will display the menu, and refusing to work if any VTS or VOBs are missing. Most, however, will play just fine with many VOBs removed, as long as they are non-critical. To do it well, we would need something like IFOEdit, but it works fine without it if you just avoid menu options for VOBs you removed.
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    Originally Posted by WiseWeasel
    The finder says 7.53 GB for just the VIDEO_TS folder on the DVD (not the entire DVD)?
    correct
    Are you using DTOX in disc copy mode or film only mode?
    Disc copy
    On the original DVD, are the 7.53 GB accounted for (by adding up the various big files)? If so, what is taking up all the room? Are there several main video tracks (like full-screen and wide-screen or something)?
    yes, accounted for. there are 2 1024meg .vob's that are extras and the rest are all trailers and other useless crap

    About tossing VOBs: I've done this many times, and it works swell with video title sets (VTS) that contain only useless content, like previews and trailers and such. Usually, I just toss the VTSXX_01.VOB and following VOB files from those unnecessary VTS, leaving the VTSXX_00.VOB file, which is usually pretty small, along with the .IFO and .BUP files.
    agreed, but agian like i said, there are no VTSXX_00.VOB which made it freak out not having any .vob's for the title sets.

    You just have to be careful to not throw out VOBs that contain clips that the DVD menu or intro plays. Some DVDs are pretty bad about this (Back to the Future trilogy, I'm talking to you!), playing clips from each VTS before it will display the menu, and refusing to work if any VTS or VOBs are missing. Most, however, will play just fine with many VOBs removed, as long as they are non-critical. To do it well, we would need something like IFOEdit, but it works fine without it if you just avoid menu options for VOBs you removed.
    yea usually thats what i do. but again, it was 100 megs too large and this is how all this started because all i wanted to do was take 100 megs off the full dvd rip which is aparently impossible to do!
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    So why are you doing full disc copy mode with DTOX if you want just the film only at the limit of the DVD's size? If you want the film only at DVD size, use film only mode with DTOX, and then master another DVD with Sizzle or something for the extras. Or are you doing this for the menus (even though you have to omit all the extra features)? I don't understand why you're doing it that way...
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    Sorry, should have explained this better

    I like to keep the menu, so that scene selection works.
    all the other extra buttons are disabled when you do it this way

    make since?
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    Try to burn it in Toast 5 instead of Toast 6.
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    Toast 5 and 6 both report the same thing....

    34736 sectors needed! how much is that in megs? is that even a possible calculation.

    thus my rational for removing 50-100 megs which seems impossible to do.

    it seems almsot as if the min. amount you can remove is 400 megs!
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    Originally Posted by galactica
    Toast 5 and 6 both report the same thing....

    34736 sectors needed! how much is that in megs? is that even a possible calculation.

    thus my rational for removing 50-100 megs which seems impossible to do.

    it seems almsot as if the min. amount you can remove is 400 megs!
    I found this:

    807 MB is about 807*1048576 / 2324 = 364113 sectors.
    I calculate that to be about 77mb
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    exactly!!!! thus my rational to take 100 megs off using dvd2one
    yet it seems the min you can take off is 400!

    I just burned it at the 400 meg less version, it still looks great since its only 400 less than the source.

    just wanted to see if anyone else observed these findings
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    Actually, yeah, I'd experienced a similar issue a while back, and decided to give up and master my own DVDs w/ menus and all using DVDSP. It's a lot of work, though, and doesn't look as professional as the original menus. That's an interesting method you used, and definitely something to remember for future reference. Yeah, DTOX isn't precise at all, and seems to only work at certain quanta, jumping to a certain size value no matter how you try to fine-tune it in the user defined size. Perhaps DVDRemaster would give you better results. Oh well, at least it looks good, and you got (essentially) what you were looking for.
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    yea, ive explained how to do this in the sticky because several people asked

    eventually (after my finals are over !!!! WED OF NEXT week, I will get a tutorial posted on my website for others interested in this type of disc copy
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