CloneDVD vs DVDShrink Compression

[autorf]

Just a quick question as I cant find a difinitive answer through searching. Im using DVDShrink 3 and CloneDVD 1.3.11. I find CloneDVD the easiest way to strip extras while preserving menus, however after reading most of the comments DVDShrink w/ deep analysis tends to produce better quality video? Has anyone proved this?

If DVDShrink does produce better quality I was thinking about taking a movie compress the menu and movie so that it will fit a dvdr then rip to hard drive ignoring the warning message from DVDShrink.

Then.

Using CloneDVD load the output of DVDShrink so that it can properly remove the extras and properly make the BUP and IFO files. If done properly CloneDVD wouldnt need to compress anything.

This is only useful if DVDShrink does compress better than CloneDVD ofcourse.

What are your thoughts?

autorf

[Morloc]

There have been many posts in these forums on this topic and the concensus is that there can be no concensus. Quality is a very subjective attribute. Unless someone has an analytical tool to actually measure some objective characteristic of both files, your method is as good as any. Pick a film with some fast action and a range of light and dark scenes. However, what looks good to you on your player and TV may not look good to me on mine.

Morloc

[ztank]

I thought the Deep Analysis mode just allowed DVDShrink to hit the target file size better. The actual transcoding process is the same, regardless of whether Deep Analysis was used.

If using Deep Analysis gives a larger output size, then yes, that means more quality, due to a higher bitrate. But that won't always be the case.

[tompika]

I thought the Deep Analysis mode just allowed DVDShrink to hit the target file size better. The actual transcoding process is the same, regardless of whether Deep Analysis was used.

You thought wrong.
Variable bitrate is more effective when the movie is deep-analysed
so DVD Shrink knows where to use higher bitrate (fast action scenes)
and where to go down a little

[defense]

and of course..this wasn't the question..but I find DV2ONE to yield better "overall" quality with its normal VBR then either CLONEDVD or DVDSHRINK. DVDSHRINk has many benefits over DVD2ONE too...like adjusting the extras independently..etc...and I won't use CLONEDVD to keep menus...unless it keeps the main movie at 100%. If CLONEDVD makes the main movie even 99% to preserve menus...I won't keep the menus..but that's just me.

One of the HUGE disadvantages of CLONEDVD is that it doesn't give you "credit: so to speak for deleting audio tracks. I mean, that is just ridiculous..as some audio tracks can be as much as 700 MB's for a 6 channel track. But CLONEDVD won't give your project credit for not keeping it. That's pretty "DUMB" in my opinion...but I use CLONEDVD very sparingly...when menus are really, really worth while and interesting and the main movie isn't touched.

[ddlooping]

...but I find DV2ONE to yield better "overall" quality with its normal VBR then (either CLONEDVD or) DVDSHRINK.

Funny that, my comparison tests show the opposite.
Oh well, I guess it depends on the original DVD and viewing equipment.

[tompika]

...but I find DV2ONE to yield better "overall" quality with its normal VBR then (either CLONEDVD or) DVDSHRINK.

Funny that, my comparison tests show the opposite.
Oh well, I guess it depends on the original DVD and viewing equipment.

Comparing DVD2one and DVD Shrink. ~7.5GB main movie
The scene:


The first and third ones made by DVD2one 1.3.0 VBR
The second and fourth made by DVD Shrink (deep-analyzed)

[MachineMan]

Sweet analysis!! DVDshrink looks to retain more detail with out blurring.

Case closed!!

[masterpp]

is this about 60% compression from dvdshrink? since you have 7.5GB movie

[dcsos]

You wrote CASE CLOSED but the comparison he made was not CLONE

which we were evaluating in this thread..OK! CASE CLOSED! SHRINK beats out DVD to ONE but what about poor cloney?

Any observations?

[MackemX]

Oh well, I guess it depends on the original DVD and viewing equipment.

very true and also a person's perception of what is quality will affect opinions