LiteOn LVD-2002 DivX/MPEG-4/DVD Player

[Roundabout]

Regarding the Fast Forwarding... You can also jump to any particular time if you want to on the LVD-2001. I have to assume it works the same on the LVD-2002? Just press the "Search" button then enter the timecode.

Macfixer01

Yes, exactly. All you have to do is press "search" during play mode, the playback pauses - then enter the time you want to go to in hh:mms format then press "enter" button (the one between the cursor keys). Note that if you want to go to, for example, exactly 45 min., you have to press 004500 (the last two zeroes aren't necessary, though) then "enter". Or use the right (>) cursor key to move the digit to the :mm: position, enter 45, then press "enter".

[mas71]

Mas,

You can always look at the setup screen and see the firmware version. Maybe take some pics and post them up of the player, remote and setup screens.

OK, I took some photos, I hope someone can find some resemblance to any other DVD player, so far I recognize just about every function described for the LVD-2002.

[scrotus]

Looks like that Kendo has way more features in the Setup than the Lite-on ones. Did you have to do a Region hack to get access to that Locale menu? ON the Lite-ons you do.

Seems weird that they would write a completely different front end if they were gonna just OEM it. You'd think they would just change the graphics images of the player and the name/model within the setup stuff. That's easy to do.

[mas71]

Well it appears that the Kendo is not an OEM of the LVD-2002.

The Kendo is built on the ESS Vibratto S chip, same as the Yamada 6000 and RJ Tech RJ 6000 and others.

My big problem is that Kendo doesn't seem to have a homepage or anything, so I don't now how to hack it to get it region free, I can't get a hold on any firmware updates etc.

More info is in this thread:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=199499

[scrotus]

Mas,

A little googling and I found this:

http://www.regionfreedvd.net/bulletin/viewtopic.php?t=600

If it works, let us know and then submit it to the hacks section.

[mikeyled36]

Has anyone tried converting a DVD to Nero Digital, the new mpeg4 format from Nero, and burning it to a CD or DVD and playing it on the LVD-2002? I heard that it is a really good looking codec that may surpass XviD. Will someone that owns an LVD-2002 try this out??

Mikey

[mas71]

Mas,

A little googling and I found this:

http://www.regionfreedvd.net/bulletin/viewtopic.php?t=600

If it works, let us know and then submit it to the hacks section.

Thank you very much Scrotus, that made my day!!!
It worked!

It also displayed the firmwareversion which I've sought for quite some time.
again thank you!

I will add it to the DVD hacks section but they haven't added my player since I have no offical link to any reseller, I have tried to link to my photos in this thread, we'll see if they add it.

[rilles]

To those that were talking about the filesize limitation. The iso filesize limitation has to with size of a files on the disk and not the size of image. If you look at the files on a dvd none are bigger then 2 gig. So making dvd's on dvd-r or dvd+r is not an issue. The only issue is if you are making a large mpg or divx/xvid file that will exceed 1.2 Gig. With nero 6 at least you can not burn a disk with a file bigger then 1.2 Gig without using a UDF file system. The Liteon 2001 and I asssume 2002 will read iso or udf/iso (Limited 1.2 GIG file size or less) but not a UDF disk. If you have a large file and split it into multiple files each <= 1.2 gig and burn those files to an iso disk it will work.

ISO file size limit is 2G, Liteon unit will read up to a 2G dvix/mpeg1/2 file on a ISO, ISO/UDF disk. Nero should limit you to 2G no 1.2G.
I have a number of disks with 2 2G divx part1/part2 files on it.

[LisaB]

What happend to the LiteOn LVD-2002?!

It's not at newegg anymore...
It's not at mypcgoodies anymore...
pcclub still has some left, but they have upped the price to $130!

Has this already been discontinued?

[Roundabout]

It's available at Rob's PC's for $112.99 (as of today):
http://robspcs.zoovy.com/product/LT1013MAX

PCNation for $112.90:
http://www.pcnation.com/web/details.asp?affid=301&item=DH0078



Axion for $108.95:
http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?src=SH&item=57897



And probably other places if you look. It isn't discontinued and it isn't very hard to find one if you need it.

[Shudder]

So is it or is it not disontinued? And if it is, is it being replaced by anything? I'm looking to get one in a month or so and I'd rather not just buy a 2002 now simply because I think they're all disappearing when a 2003 or whatever the hell model is right around the corner.

[Roundabout]

I don't think it's discontinued. It's only been around for a few months (I think it was released around Aug/Sept of last year, IIRC). Plenty of websites have it, as you can see by my post above. PC Club still has them too, and the other sites are just out of stock (they sell a lot, maybe LiteOn is having a problem shipping enough of them to all online retailers as they need them). I had noticed that Mypcgoodies was selling fairly large numbers of them, they had their actual inventory amounts on the page where you order them - one day they'd have 40 or so, the next day only 10. So I guess they sell fast. If you live near PC Club you can just go in and pick one up like I did, call first to make sure they have some in stock.

[EatMoreChickens]

I believe th2 lvd 2002 is being replaced my a newer model w/ ethernet, called the lvd-2010. Here's the press release from CES http://www.liteonamericas.com/press/ces_5005/5005.htm

[Roundabout]

Hmmm. I was just at CES a few days back, but I didn't think to stop at the LiteOn booth. Otherwise, I could've picked up a brochure on the new model. In any case, if all it does is add ethernet support, I'm not interested in that anyway - streaming vid to/from the PC. I'd rather just burn to CD-R and play it. Also, the price will probably be higher, and for something I don't need (in my case, anyway - however, it could be useful for some people I suppose).

[Hideous_Hog]

ETHERNET?????

Holy Crap... no need to burn anything.

[Roundabout]

DVD w/ethernet isn't that new, KISS has had it for a while now:



And you'll still need to burn stuff eventually, unless you have unlimited HD space (I never seem to have enough no matter what I do). When most movie avi's are 700MB, you'll run out of space sooner than later. That is why I'd rather just burn onto low priced CD-R's that cost less than 15 cents each on sale, it's still cheaper than HD space per GB.

The ethernet connectivity is an interesting idea, a novelty, but not that useful IMHO. I wouldn't mind having it only if it doesn't add to the cost of the player. :P

[Hideous_Hog]

The cost of ethernet would be a big thing, but for the wired household this would be so cool. The cost of computer storage is maybe $1 per gig now, compared to maybe $0.2 per gig via CDR's.

Would I spend $50 more for this? Possibly. $20 more? YES!!!

Add to this some more abilities to merge the computer/internet with home entertainment viewing:

Very very sexy...

LOL!

[Ravlen]

More interesting info on the Liteon 2010. Web ready? Surf from the couch with your DVD player? Interesting. Ethernet would be worth 50 bucks to me. Sure, blanks are cheaper than new HD's, but if you can store 120 gigs on the network, and access it all without ever changing a disc? I'd say that's worth it.

http://www.liteonit.com/DC/english/new/news-920922-e.htm

LITEON DVD Recorder LVW-5001
Will Be Debuted in Computex on September 22nd

LITEON – LITEON Electronic (8008) expressed that this year’s fourth quarter new product, DVD Recorder, has been previewed in Berlin IFA, which brought in positive reviews as well as a flood of orders. The company is planning to officially introduce LVW-5001 to the consumers in 2003 Taipei Computex and officially announce the coming of the DVD recording era.

The new LVW-5001 requires only one touch of a button to start the simple programming process, and the world’s first “Easy Guider On-screen Wizard” design allows people of all ages to easily program the recorder step by step. This new innovation truly exhibits DVD recorder’s power of simplicity.

Most importantly, LVW-5001 comes with a DV-Link (IEEE 1394) connection port that allows the users to connect the recorders to their digital video camcorders and digitalize their video clips into DVD quality format that can be preserved forever. In addition, the LVW-5001 uses the most powerful DVD+RW/+R format and LSI-8600 Multimedia Image Processing Chipset to maximize the image quality of recorded programs as well as digital camcorder clips. It also supports playbacks of most multimedia formats such as DVD, VCD, SVCD, Audio CD, MP3, and JPEG.

LITEON indicated that LVW-5001 will be officially launched in the beginning of October this year. During the Computex period, the company will also exhibit, alongside with the star product LVW 5001, other innovations such as the Photo King Series LVR-1001 which is designed with dual-slot DVD/CD-RW and PCMCIA expansion port. In addition, LVD 2002 will have a new design on the casing. The only difference from the Photo King Series is that this model is compacted without a PCMCIA slot; therefore, it does not support digital camera memory card readers. Moreover, the LVD-2010, a web connectable model, will also be available for preview in the Computex.

Presentation of the LVW-5001 will begin at 2.00 in the afternoon. This presentation is opened for all news media who are interested in knowing this product in depth. Please come to LITEON’s booth (D533-536). We will also have dedicated onsite staffs to demonstrate the product and answer all your questions.


Press Contact – Taipei:
Dept. Consumer Electronics Betty Chang: betty_chang@liteonit.com

[tazma61]

I'm sorry if this was asked before, but has anybody tried playing a HD-Burn disc in the lvd-2002? I would like to have 1.4GB of space on a single CD-R, but if that doesn't work, a regulard DVD burner will have to do...

[EatMoreChickens]

Unfornately, I don't think a DVD player exists that plays HD-Burn discs.

Regarding the LVD-2010, I think the ethernet connection is huge. To me, being able to access the files without burning them on discs is more about convenience than saving money. I have a lot of files on my HD, so accessing them directly would be awesome. The web connection would also kick-butt. Surfing from the TV would be cool. I wonder if a keyboard will be available?

[Magpye]

Does this player play xvid with .ogg audio? Mine won't play any xvids with this and trying to flash with the latest firmware, I get a message that the firmware is older than what's already installed. Just bought it last week, but production date on box is sept.2003

[Roundabout]

This player does not support .OGG audio or .OGM video as yet, may be implemented in a future firmware upgrade. The latest firmware is still 0229, the 0301 (made for the 2001 model) is still in beta, not officially released as yet. The player you bought most likely has the 0229 f/w already installed. I don't know which you downloaded, but there's nothing to upgrade on this model at the moment.

[Magpye]

Thanks Roundabout. Now I'll just havta play around and try to convert the vid to dvix

[Roundabout]

Magpye,

You may have to demux and convert the audio separately from the video and reencode it to wav or mp3 then remux it in order to get it to work. I have several files with the same problem, but I haven't done this yet (back-burner project). You might check out Dr.Divx and see if it supports OGG - not sure if it does or not. There are several converters on the market that will convert just the audio (once you have it in a separate file) if you want to do it that way.

For the life of me I can't understand why someone would use this format for such a file anyway. Drives me crazy. If they'd just stick to the standard mp3 or wav we wouldn't have these problems.

Oh well, what can you do? *sigh*

Hope this helps. R

[OUMoneyMan]

Got the player last week. Here are a few issues:

As mentioned, does not handle high bit rates: Death to Smoochy XVID freaked out with all of the vivid colors at the beginning.

Some DIVX burns freeze up at ~38 minutes into the disc. I'm using Memorex CD's and a Sony burner at 8x.

Only one DIVX thus far that plays on the computer has been completely unreadable by the LiteOn.

Fun to have the DIVX/XVID compatibility, but like most other new products, we'll laugh in a few years at how cool we thought this thing once was.

[Roundabout]

OUMoneyMan,

I agree with this statement...

Fun to have the DIVX/XVID compatibility, but like most other new products, we'll laugh in a few years at how cool we thought this thing once was.

...except the time frame.

I think it will be much sooner than a few years. Most likely within a year or two I expect that virtually all new DVD players will support DivX, as the cost of the chips come down and people come to expect that their player will be able to play all formats.

I also wish someone would come up with a "ad hoc" standard for DivX encoding...I've seen files with crazy (almost) unheard of codecs (like Col1 ON2) that the player probably will never be able to play. Then I have to go and find the codec and re-encode the entire file so it'll play. I now try to find ones that use DivX 5.1 and encoded at 900 ~ 1100 kbps video, and the audio at 44.1 or 48 Khz sampling and 128kbps bitrate. If the file meets these specs I can be almost certain it will play without problems in the LVD-2002.

One thing I haven't had a problem with is the disc freezing up in the middle like you've been having. If the disc plays, it keeps playing, or it doesn't play at all. I did have one that turned out to be a bad burn and did freeze, but that was no fault of the player. Maybe your DivX file is corrupted? Try reburning it again and you might find it plays. My problem was caused by defective media. Even good brands sometimes have clunkers in the batch.

You will find that anything encoded with DivX 3.11 is a crapshoot, some will play, some won't. For the ones that won't, just re-encode them with Dr.DivX or similar program and you're good to go.

[Roundabout]

Anyone still looking for a LVD-2002, they have lots in stock now at:

www.spacecentersystems.com

To find it, scroll through the list of manufacturers on the right side of the webpage and select "liteon". Ground Shipping is around $10.00 - $12.00 depending on your location.



This is in addition to the other websites I mentioned earlier.

[Roundabout]

Update, 2/2/04

LVD-2002 is available at http://www.erwincomputers.com/lilvdvpl.html
for $106.95:



and at Geargroove for $114.95: http://www.geargroove.com/lvd2002.html

[absolutic]

Anyone still looking for a LVD-2002, they have lots in stock now at:

www.spacecentersystems.com

To find it, scroll through the list of manufacturers on the right side of the webpage and select "liteon". Ground Shipping is around $10.00 - $12.00 depending on your location.



This is in addition to the other websites I mentioned earlier.

a $200 correction:
Liteon 2002 DOES NOT UPSCALE to 1080i. This is a known fact and Liteon actually changed its description of 2002 immediately. This is a $200 correction because this is the sole reason people pay close to $300 for Liteon 2001 on ebay, and Liteon 2002 goes for what, just about a $100.

It was a dramatic change from 2001 to 2002 model for LITEON to undo the 1080i upscaling. The Industry would only want you to be able to upconvert through DVI or HDMI because it is paranoid. Bottom line: LITEON 2002 is an inferior product to LITEON 2001 for anyone who has HDTV-READY TV.

[LisaB]

Other than compatibility, I don't see what's so great about 1080i upscaling. You can't "create" resolution that isn't already in the source in the first place. If you're watching a standard DVD, then 480p is as good as it gets...

Perhaps the argument is that the native resolution of HDTV is 1080i, meaning that upscaling has to happen somewhere. But what makes people think having the dvd player upscale is so much better than having the HDTV circuitry upscale?