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  1. Member sacajaweeda's Avatar
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    I don't use either one as a standalone (unless I'm just multiplexing clips with TMPGEnc). I use both with AVISynth. CCE gets just about all the DVD & SVCD video work, and TMPGEnc usually just the audio and scattered MPEG1 video stuff. I still like it for VCD, but that's about all I use it on for encoding video is MPEG1 stuff. It just doesn't get things done anywhere near as fast as CCE, and the quality difference between the two is IMHO less than negligable. Don't get me wrong, I like the user friendly interface of TMPGEnc and I think it does a great job and is plenty versatile, but it just takes forever to encode. It IS a very handy tool if you need to encode MP2 audio, and the MPEG tools are incredibly useful, but it's just not the video encoder of choice for me.
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  2. Originally Posted by SatStorm
    I don't know anyone using avisynth with TMPGenc,
    If someone knows how to do this, let me know. I tried but TMPG wouldn't open my scripts....
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    I'm using TMPGEnc Plus ver 2.58.44.152 and AVISynth ver 2.5 Alpha
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    All this talk of CCE makes me want to try it, but the official dl site is down. Anywhere else?
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    Custom Technology's trial download works fine for me.

    I pretty much always use Avisynth when I encode with TMPGenc, well I use Avisynth for everything. The filtering is much faster and you have infinitely more control not to mention stability with various codecs. TMPGenc only supports RGB input so you need to include this line at the end of your AVS script.

    ConvertToRGB24()

    Unfortunately this slows things down quite a bit, especially with YUV sources which most of us are using, but there's no way to get around it with TMPGenc. Of course this is the case whether you use Avisynth or not though.

    As per the previous posts, I can't prove the author of TMPGenc said those things. I read them in an interview, but that was a long time ago. It is a fact though that TMPGenc and CCE are not written in the same program language, and that CCE's language (Assembly I believe) gives it much more potential for speed.

    I recently found another very recent encoder comparison which definitely places CCE as substantially faster than TMPGenc, and most other encoders for that matter.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chip.de%2Fartikel%2Fc_artikel...language_tools

    There have been so many threads on this subject. If the speed differences were even remotely similar there would be room for debate. When the people who get similar speeds in both encoders can be counted on one hand, while the people who report CCE as substantially faster number in the thousands, well there's something to be said for that.

    Don't test with a DV source which will be dictated by the efficiency of the DV codec of choice, don't use any filters, just once try doing a completely pure speed test with a raw source. This will show you the speed difference between these two encoders.
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  6. All this talk of CCE makes me want to try it
    Likewise. What a waste of time. I registered, validated, downloaded and installed only to discover the demo to be severly limited, and although it produced a decent Mpeg, it wasn't as good as I get with TMPGenc and I could not adjust the settings to those I use for TMPGenc. - couldn't even tell what settings it was using until looking at it another program.
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    Yes it is true that CCE does not have the noob-friendly interface TMPGEnc users seem to covet.
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    CCE is basically worthless unless you either frameserve from VirtualDub or better yet use AviSynth AVS scripting.

    TMPGEnc Plus has enough built-in settings that in MOST instances you can get away with using JUST it and nothing else.

    Having said that CCE is faster and in my opinion is better suited for AVI captures when using HuffyUV or PICVideo MJPEG when using the YUV/YUY2 colorspace since TMPGEnc Plus must convert to RGB.

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  9. I don't necessarily need a "noob-friendly interface" but it would help to be able to make a setting. I don't know about AviSynth, but Vdub is not going to feed the bitrate or motionsearch or CBR or VBR or clamp or not clamp the luma or change the GOP structure.

    Also I followed Adam's recent link. Is everyone talking about a $2,000.00 piece of software(for amateurs to make an mpeg?)
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    Originally Posted by andie41
    I don't know about AviSynth, but Vdub is not going to feed the bitrate or motionsearch or CBR or VBR or clamp or not clamp the luma or change the GOP structure.
    You don't know about CCE either. You're just badmouthing something you don't understand. Those are all settings you can make in CCE. There's also a stripped down version that sells for close to what TMPGEnc is selling for that does just about everything the $2000 version does but just limits the number of passes on a VBR encode.
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  11. You're just badmouthing something you don't understand
    The only thing I was"badmouthing" was the limitations of the demo. I downloaded it so possibly I could "understand". Perhaps I overlooked how to set parameters in the demo, but I couldn't see how to set anything or save anything - nothing to save anyway, I couldn't change anything.

    Also, something I have wondered many times and keep forgetting to ask. Is Avisynth the product of the folks at Cinema Craft. It has been stated in this thread (and similar comments in other threads) that CCE is "useless" without Avisynth. How does a company sell a $2000.00 product if it requires a thirdparty freebie to work properly?
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    It doesn't author title sets or burn them to disc, either. It does however excell at the task it was intended for. It's a professional tool, which to me implies that it is assumed that whoever is using it actually knows what they are doing. Read some guides and turotials and perhaps you won't struggle with it as you do.
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  13. I tried the demo again and remembered my previous experience with this interface and was able to get into the "meat and potaoes" and select various options - still cannot save any settings, but that is okay, at least I can fiddle with it(if my trial doesn't expire before I get around to it.)

    I might suggest that rather than making veiled or not so veiled comments regarding a user's competency and need for guides and tutorials, a simple comment as to how to access the program's options would be more helpful. All Windows programs that I am familiar with, use the menu bar for most options.

    For many years I used the Amiga computer, and there were many passionate Amigans. If one was to make a critical comment or query regarding the Amiga, it was almost tantamount to spittin' on the flag. CCE is no doubt fine software - but it is only software!
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    If you have a point, please make it soon.

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    PS,

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    still cannot save any settings
    Your settings are saved as '.ecl' files. You can load them just as you would any other saved project.

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  16. Your settings are saved as '.ecl' files. You can load them just as you would any other saved project.
    Unfortunately that option is not available in the demo version - or so it seems. When exiting the program, it asks if I would like to save the project, but when I say yes and give it a name, it will not save it. Not a big deal, but I don't see why the demo has this disabled. Anyway, thanks for the tip.
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    Speed does have its place in encoding, and I finally broke down and started researching CCE. A cou[le of questions gentlemen:
    -- Can CCE use >AVS files (AviSynth)?

    -- Can it multiplex and demultiplex?

    -- Can it respond to frameserving from Virtual Dub?

    -- Can it do bit rate calculations?

    -- Can it save in AVI, MPG, and .jpg?

    The reason I ask, is because these are some of the reasons I like TMPGEnc Plus so much. If it can do all these at its present speed, I'm very interested.
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    -- Can CCE use >AVS files (AviSynth)?

    Yes.

    -- Can it multiplex and demultiplex?

    No. Other than TMPGenc and BBMpeg (which only muxes) I don't know of any other encoders that can.

    -- Can it respond to frameserving from Virtual Dub?

    Yes.

    -- Can it do bit rate calculations?

    Only to a certain extent. After running the first pass it generates an information file which contains substantial data derived from the source. Once this is present, among other things, you have access to the advanced options of the encoder which allow you to literally tweak just about anything there is down to the GOP level. As you change the global average bitrate it generates the exact filesize that will result. So if you are willing to encode in more than 1 pass, then yes it will calculate your bitate for you, but for your first pass to even be all that useful as far as the statistical data generated, you really need to use an avg bitrate close to what you will use in your final encode anyway. So no, you are not going to be able to use CCE to calculate bitrate beforehand, but you can certainly use it to fine tune your calculations later to get the exact filesize you need...down to the kilobyte. Of course you can use the advanced options to do SOOO much more than just this, ie: manually set credits to low bitrate, manually tweak problem scenes etc...

    -- Can it save in AVI, MPG, and .jpg?

    CCE only outputs elementary mpv (m2v) video streams, mpa (m2a) audio streams, and mpg program streams. No AVI or jpg files. CCE is a barebones mpeg encoder.
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    My measurements so far put CCE at only 1.5 times TMPGenc speed
    and encoding audio separately was enough of a pain to cause
    me to adopt TMPGenc.
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  20. What a reply from all of you. Many experts for comments. Thanks for all. Just have question. As of today, May 20 ,2004; tmpgenc has come out the new version 3.0 and so do CCE with pro, sp, and basic. Any one still keep the same though about comparison between 2 softwares. Presuming that your pc is P4 processor with HT.
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  21. https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=918555

    Read baldricks post, the second one i think. Yes, tmpgenc is still too slow. By the time tmpgenc reach a normal encoding speed the other encoders will be at the next level, and that will be far more interesting than watching tmpgenc struggle to reach last years level.
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  22. I guess I keep 2.5 as souvenir. What about vegas 5? It encode from avi as well? Quality wise, any comments on vegas 5 and CCE?
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