What does warez stand for?

[hech54]

Oops....looks like I'm about to tick some people off. Might as well kill two birds with one stone....ready?

RAP SUX

cRAP has a place in this world and has a right to exist....don't get me wrong but PLEASE don't call people who Rap musicians....because they are NOT. And please don't call them singers....cause they are NOT.
Even the term Rap Music to me is a bit of a stretch. 99% of the time it's not THEIR music you hear...it's either someone elses creation and they are talking over it or it's "I'll press this button and my computer will play my song for you". NOT MUSICIANS....COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS.

[Faustus]

No offence, but if they are not musicians then start pressing YOUR computers button and become a star.

Its all subjective... why start and argument that has no solution. Might as well start a +R suck -R rules thread (or vice versa) if that your intent.

[hech54]

Thanks for the opportunity......

That would make me a Star.....NOT A MUSICIAN.


Open Mouth....insert foot.

[EricS]

I think the whole letter replacement thing started way back in the day with phone phreaks - after a while everything spelled with an 'f' got spelled with a 'ph' and vice versa - after that other similar replacements started getting made, eventually becoming leet speak or whatever...

[Wolfmancatsup]

To go back to the "British slang" bit, pram does indeed mean baby carriage - it's short for perambulator! Nappy is "our" word for diaper...

Wc - in the UK...

[hech54]

I've heard nappy for diaper in the U.S. as well....but not pram...

[Roderz]

So whats the yank word for pram

p.s. My login name has a Z init fopr the same reason as redwudz... isp etc... b4 anybdy starts.

[EricS]

We call it a "stroller" in the mid-west. Cause you "stroll" around with your baby....

[kirpen]

I wonder how the, substituting z for s method, got started

I would think it got started from people <black/white/hispanic, etc)butchering the English language, maybe being too lazy to enunciate right, or maybe just too dumb to learn while in school. Im not talking about typos, I'm talking about speaking and just not caring how they sound.
I'll not go any furhter hence I be accused of something.

I don't understand how you equate the way you enunciate a word with being lazy or dumb. Lots of people speak the way people around them speak. I don't say all my words correctly because I was taught to speak by people who didn't say them the correctly. Maybe segregation and the fact that it was illegal for some people to read played a role in how speech patterns developed over the years. People did have to speak all those years before any formal education was allowed. If you don't want to be accused of something maybe you should shy away from the "dumb & Lazy" labels that have historically been use to denigrate certain people.
There is also a huge difference between not pronouncing a word correctly and using the wrong/slang word.

[Conquest10]

I'm thinking the added 'z' instead of 's' is just trying to be cool. like boyz instead of boys and da or tha instead of the.

[housepig]

yeah, hip-hop & rap weren't popular before 1990....

It even goes back further than that -
Fatback's King Tim III and the Sugarhill Gang's Rapper's Delight emerged from New York City in 1979, and influnced Punk/New Wave acts to bring it into pop culture, such as Blondie (Rapture) and Adam & The Ants (Ant Rap)... although the movement had been taking shape for almost a decade prior.

Rookie -

oh, fully - I just can't claim to be that old school - I didn't start getting into rap proper until hearing RunDMC and Whodini in junior high / high school around '86 or so. (I did like "Rapture" back in the day, though...)

funny - I'm sitting here looking at the Sugar Hill Records box set that I sold on eBay and I have to ship out in today's mail...

@hech...

man, I don't even know if it's worth starting with your argument, since any example I make will probably get tagged "oh, well, that's not real music"... I guess if you like living with narrow definitions, have fun...

[tgpo]

I hate about 98% of rap music. The same goes for country music. But I have to admit. Outcast' new album rocks!!

[hech54]

It IS true. LAZY people BUTCHER the English language. Take the time to speak "The Queens English" (yes we use that too in America). Not knowing a language AT ALL is one thing....but knowing full well what the proper way is and "playing cute" on purpose is just stupid and lazy....and mostly disrespectful.
I live in Germany and am TRYING to learn the language....and you better believe that what I have learned....I have learned with respect NOT to muck it up or make fun of it. I want to get this right....lazy people don't and simply don't care to.

[hech54]

yeah, hip-hop & rap weren't popular before 1990....

It even goes back further than that -
Fatback's King Tim III and the Sugarhill Gang's Rapper's Delight emerged from New York City in 1979, and influnced Punk/New Wave acts to bring it into pop culture, such as Blondie (Rapture) and Adam & The Ants (Ant Rap)... although the movement had been taking shape for almost a decade prior.

Rookie -

oh, fully - I just can't claim to be that old school - I didn't start getting into rap proper until hearing RunDMC and Whodini in junior high / high school around '86 or so. (I did like "Rapture" back in the day, though...)

funny - I'm sitting here looking at the Sugar Hill Records box set that I sold on eBay and I have to ship out in today's mail...

@hech...

man, I don't even know if it's worth starting with your argument, since any example I make will probably get tagged "oh, well, that's not real music"... I guess if you like living with narrow definitions, have fun...

Sorry but I AM a musician. I've studied 30 years of my life....I'm 38 now.
NO rap artist is a musician....NOT ONE. Play a musical instrument....play it badly if you like....and you'll me a musician. UNtil then Rappers are NOT musicians.

[tgpo]

Doesn't Outcast play their music? Black Eye Pea plays guitar, bass and drums.

You just can't simply say that ALL rap musicians don't play their own music, because it's not true. Well I guess you could say it, but you'd be lying.

Sorry but I AM a musician. I've studied 30 years of my life....I'm 38 now.
NO rap artist is a musician....NOT ONE. Play a musical instrument....play it badly if you like....and you'll me a musician. UNtil then Rappers are NOT musicians.

What type of music do you play?

[hech54]

I play blues mostly....but grew up a huge Randy Rhoads fan. Also a huge fan of vocalists of all kinds. I just wish I could sing...

[tgpo]

I play blues mostly....but grew up a huge Randy Rhoads fan. Also a huge fan of vocalists of all kinds. I just wish I could sing...

Blues sucks. It's not music. They don't sing, they just mumble. All their songs sound the same, and they only use 3 chords on the guitar. It takes no talent to play blues music.

See, you can say crap like that about anything, not just rap music

It's all personal prefrences.

[housepig]

Sorry but I AM a musician. ...NO rap artist is a musician....NOT ONE. Play a musical instrument....play it badly if you like....and you'll me a musician. UNtil then Rappers are NOT musicians.

no one said you weren't a musician, first off.

secondly, again, it's a matter of narrow definitions. what is a musical instrument? a turntable can be played musically. a piece of pipe can be a musical instrument. a block of sandpaper can produce music.

and what about singers? are they not musicians? they don't play an instrument.

"but their instrument is their voice"

so is a rappers. they may play thier instrument "badly" in your opinion, but they are still playing it.

[lordsmurf]

I studied music theory for several years. Rap usually does have some musical theory involved, though it's not my favorite thing to listen to either.

But some rap, even like some heavy metal... is just people trying to sound good. And no, lots of fans doesn't mean they're good.

Creed sucks. But it's music and they have fans.

[hech54]

I play blues mostly....but grew up a huge Randy Rhoads fan. Also a huge fan of vocalists of all kinds. I just wish I could sing...

Blues sucks. It's not music. They don't sing, they just mumble. All their songs sound the same, and they only use 3 chords on the guitar. It takes no talent to play blues music.

See, you can say crap like that about anything, not just rap music

It's all personal prefrences.

Actually it's 4 chord blues....but with the ability to add minor chords as add-ons(otherwise known as vamping to most musicians). Or as in most cases.....minor NOTES as add-ons....IE....the guitar solo(ist) like Gary Moore or Robben Ford.
3 Chord based music is notoriously COUNTRY music. 3 such chords chosen that do not leave you much possibility to add an extra minor chord or note sequence without a somewhat vivid imagination OR a huge amount of talent like Vince Gill.
As far as vocal ability goes....the best male singer alive today is John Farnham from Australia. He can sing anything. Pop, rock, ballads, screaming metal style rock and even dabbled in a bit of opera as a joke and blew his opera/show tune singing touring partner away.
All of the above people have TALENT. NO RAP STAR could ever touch the likes of a true musician (or vocalist) listed above.
Oh and I'm sure it was nothing but a typo on your part listing blues as "3 chord" based music instead of 4. Must have been some bullshiite you read on a new Rap Star's web page somewhere...where he or she was asked where they get such inspiration for their "unique and talented" style of TALKING.

[mysticgohan17]

I wonder how the, substituting z for s method, got started.

it drives me nuts when people pronounce it WARR-EZZ

Yeah, but it drive me even more nuts when people got like. hEy wHatzup. cAnyou plezz teeCH mE hOW to dOWNlOAD mOvieZ.

at least they say "plezz" :P

[housepig]

All of the above people have TALENT. NO RAP STAR could ever touch the likes of a true musician (or vocalist) listed above.

man, first narrow definitions, and now absolutes.

this is like discussing comparative religion with a Southern Baptist fundamentalist... "we can discuss, as long as you recognize that I'm right."

is there a one true way to backup dvds as well? I might be doing it wrong if I don't follow your method.. or maybe mine just aren't "real" backups.

and you're using 4 chords? then you're not playing "real" blues.

[mysticgohan17]

It's all personal prefrences.

Truer (?) words were never spoken.

[tgpo]

Southern Baptist

Hey, that's me

[ZippyP.]

But I have to admit. Outcast' new album rocks!!

And I love the "Hey Ya" video. I saw it 4 times before I figured out it was the same guy in all the parts.

OutKast BTW

[housepig]

Hey, that's me

no, I don't think so... I've seen you "agree to disagree" with some people, and the stripe of Southern Baptist I'm thinking of is incapable of doing that.

[tgpo]

I'm a tried and true Southern Baptist. I also know that life is too short to argue over everything.

[indolikaa]

Life IS too short.

The quicker y'all begin to understand that DVD-R sucks and that's just the way it is, the quicker tomorrow can be the first day of the rest of your life!

Night Ranger forever.

[Faustus]

NO!!!

This thread is everything that bad...bad bad.

1. Rap is music. Music I don't personally like but to say they are not musicians is pretty dang narrow. I'm sure someone once said just about every genre isn't musicians before.

2. No -R +R, are you trying to kill me?

[DivXExpert]

I live to argue.

Hey but you know that it does take some creativity to be a rapper, or make catchy beats. Maybe the beat creation is just "computer programming", but that doesn't mean that it lacks creativity. Maybe you don't consider it music because it does use a melody.

Merriam-Webster says music is

the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity

One beat of a drum is a tone. It is a set combination of frequencies that make a sound or tone.
Rap is art. Not art that I prefer but it is art.