Research

[Devanshu]

This is research for my paper. Please respond and explain why you chose what you chose.

[Devanshu]

Also, be honest. The more honest you are, the better argument I can make.

[Faustus]

Well it would never happen with me because of health issues, but I'd go and fight, but only for the people there, not the government itself.

[nissmo300]

I'll go because I have to and try to benefit from the training.

[Rookie64]

This is research for my paper. Please respond and explain why you chose what you chose.

Do they have an age limit on drafts

just turned 39 a few weeks ago...though I could pass for much younger :P

[pacmania_2001]

I'd go and fight with honour because it's the Australian thing to do. My relatives have fought and some died in past wars to protect my way of life and freedom and I'd do the same.

That doesn't mean though that I would like to be drafted or have to believe in the reasons that I was being sent there for.

[tgpo]

Tough question. To be honest, I have no clue what I'd do until I'm actually placed in that situation. When it happens, I'll let ya' know

[g_shocker182]

Flee because I've read too much about war to want to be involved in it. But then again, I guess I'd go if the situation was like that of Iraq where the US had dominance. (please don't go off on this - political)

[Devanshu]

This is research for my paper. Please respond and explain why you chose what you chose.

Do they have an age limit on drafts

just turned 39 a few weeks ago...though I could pass for much younger :P

Assuming you were drafted, what would you do?

[Rookie64]

Assuming you were drafted, what would you do?

I guess it all depends heavily on what the war was about...such as having affect on people I knew personally and their safety. In a situation like being threatened with nuclear weapons.

If it was a lost cause that would drag on for years and no one would even apprciate you being there, then I'd most likely copout (not flee in the sense of running) but by answering yes to the question if you had ever attempted suicide. Would be honest 'cause I'm sure the training alone would be enough to kill me

Due to a vitamin deficiency I have, I'd never be accepted into the military anyway.


I'd help out with cooking or medical aid...or red cross services if I was in a situation where I was forced to serve.

[SLICK RICK]

I would fight with honor, I would get the proper training and be a bad mother f@#$^%.

SLICK RICK

[ChrisX]

I can't be drafted due to my health, deafness and age.

Someone got to be very alert at all times in a dangerous war zone. The deafness wouldn't be any good in a dangerous place such as Iraq.

In Australia, this was called conscription and this was abolished 1972.

I have a friend who was conscripted to serve in the Australian Army before 1972. He wasn’t in any real war. He enjoyed it and this was an experience for him.

He was very fit, very strong due to a lot of training and strict diet. He did have big muscles then. He was only 21 years old when he finished the service and then got into normal job.

If I were 20 years old, having the strength, the fitness and health, I would fight if I have to.

[Devanshu]

Thanks guys...this should help me add some content. Also, I was thinking of adding a quote I heard back in high shcool in my conclusion but I dont know where it's from. At the beginning of the class, my teacher used to read interesting quotes about the topic we were going to cover that day and I remembered it and I think it would fit well...here goes

[after recieveing a draft notice]"Great. The black man is off to fight the brown man to protect the white man". I think these are the exact words but I'm not 100% sure.

I think it was during WWII...does anyone happen to know exactly where it's from so I can cite it?

[Devanshu]

Nevermind...I just found it and I was confusing it w/ something else. Here's the exact quote if you're interested:

The draft is white people sending black people to fight yellow people to protect the country they stole from red people
- James Rado

[VCDHunter]

I'd tell them where they could stick it. I'd require alot of cash to go fight for some oil baron. And I'd certainly not fight over some misguided sense of honor - that went out the window along time ago.

[RabidDog]

I'm a coward .. If I knew I was going to be drafted I would volunteer. If you volunteer you are more likely to get some cook-house job.

[gmatov]

"And our "leaders'" response? More troops (Pentagon alerts 43,000 for Iraq duty). And, even more ominously, "a few weeks ago, on an obscure federal Web site devoted to the war on terrorism, the Bush administration quietly began a public campaign to bring the draft boards back to life." (Oiling up the draft machine). Followed, of course, by the response of "A new underground railroad" to Canada in the event the draft does return."

Found at: http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=6&Board=rr_main&Number=
1022208&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part= (take out one space after main &number=, if you paste, I don't know if it will copy as a full URL )

Your research may be precognition. Our US, UK, CN, AU members may all have a chance soon to actually make their decisions here in real life.

You don't really get to be a cook if you enlist rather than wait to be drafted. People in my day enlisted because they wanted to choose their branch rather than to be drafted into the Army.

And, you don't get out of anything with a slight hearing loss, nor a vitamin deficiency, nor any of the other things I've read here. If you're a Rush Limbaugh, with a "trick knee", and a rich daddy, or a GW Bush, with a CIA Director father, who can get you into the Air National Guard, from a neighboring state yet, or even a Honsberger who was just plain too fat, you go. Hell, in Marine boot camp, we had a "Fat Man's Platoon". You went there till you lost enough weight to be able to do the obstacle course.

You had to be a real f**kup even to get kicked out.

Some of our heroes may yet get to try out their Audie Murphy routines.

Devanshu,

The "draft" is conscription, which is involuntary servitude. Slavery, if you will. It began, I think, with the Civil War, and in that war, if I am not mistaken, a rich man's son could get out of it if he paid someone else to go in his place. Many slaves were sent in their owners place. Dirty bastards never told the slave owner that when the slave's hitch was up, he was no longer a slave. So he's out 50 bucks for keeping his son out of the fighting, but lost a perfectly good slave too, if he survived the war. Joke was on them, huh? (The freeman, now, got 40 acres and a mule, a treasure at the time.) This may have begun with the Revolutionary war, will have to check.

There has never been a war that benefitted the common man. Always the so called ruling class. The English are a good case in point. They have probably expended more of your peoples lives than their own in their wars, the carving out of an Ottoman free middle eastern "democracy", Iraq, a prime example.

You kids are in for some rude awakenings if you allow your professors to take a poll, unbeknownst to you, that it is a survey to see if the dummies we are "educating" will fall for this..

Hey, I read something today that said that cats are dumber than they were just 10 years ago, becaue we are breeding the wild instinct out of them.

I think we are breeding some of the smarts out of our young, too. "I'd go if I thought I was fighting for the people there." What the hell would you want to fight for the people there who want nothing more than for you to get your overbearing infidel ass out of our country.

Sheesh, kids,

You're as bad as the kids who went to war in the Revolution, "But it's exciting, Dad, and I don't want Mary Jane to think I'm a coward, and when I come back a hero she'll dump Bobby Joe and his cotton mill and marry me."


Ah, well, listen to the profs, but remember, they all have exemptions, they have to keep indoctrinating you kids.

Cheers,

George

Been there, done that.

[rhegedus]

Fight with honour.

If you are going to do it, do it properly.

[lordsmurf]

Good God. I can't believe people still think this is over oil.

Anyway, I'm too old to be drafted by a couple years, and I've now got several medical conditions (spinal and visual), so it wouldn't happen.

But put me back at 18, and all I'll say is I speak good Spanish and know how to disappear in South America real easily. If I'm going to get killed, it'll damned sure be on my own terms. And if I ever wanted to come back home for a visit, that'd be easy too. I know a lot of things I probably shouldn't, but that just comes with the territory of being a journalist.

[i_am_dave]

Fight with Honor!

Of course being 42 years old, they probably wouldn't take me even if I volunteered!

[jeex]

I'll go because I have to and try to benefit from the training.

you son of a bitch, you stole my avatar!!

[Devanshu]

Thanks gmatov! That should help me add some content.

[Conquest10]

damn George. I thought you would be for the draft. I agree with you on this one. Bringing back the draft is BS. I would be one of the first to Canada if that does happen. However, if the fight would be for freedom (real freedom not this BS propoganda), then I would have no problem fighting for that. But since its just to invade a sovergn (sp?) nation and rob it of its resources and brand resistance fighters battling to defend their nation terrorists...I think not.

[VCDHunter]

Good God. I can't believe people still think this is over oil.

I know, with all the propaganda being pushed out by the media you'd think we'd all be towing the line by now

[gmatov]

Lorddmurf,

I hope the emoticon meant just kiddding that it's not over oil.

And, you are not a couple years over the age. And spinal would have to be bifida or fusions or something, and vision would have to be uncorrectable with as thick a lens as the Gov docs can fit into GI Issue frames, the kind called welfare glasses, thick black plastic ones, no fashionable wirerims.

Conquest,

Not at all. As I said, been there, done that. Never reached Viet Nam. Went in in 62. Went from Marines to Navy. Put in chits for Nam duty monthly. Refused, "we need you on the boat". 2 months before discharge, "We got a Swift boat for you in Pendleton, just sign here to re-up for 2 more years."

Hey, stick it in your ass, Buddy. I'm outa here.

66 and I'm back home, still alive now, doubt that I woulda been if I'd signed.

50+thousand died there. Americans. How many Brits and Aussies, don't know. I hope the Brits and Aussies honor their Viet Vets. The US does not. This was the "best forgotten" war, embarrassing.

Have any of you read the news of the VA hospitals that are closing, no service available for veterans who are still living from the Korean and Viet Eras who cannot get medical care? How about the Desert Storm vets who the DOD says didn't get any such thing as debilitating diseases from the depleted uranium projectiles fired in that "war"?

Agent Orange? Even more myth than Legionnaires disease, which was jeopardizing the convention industry. "We can't admit they're sick, we'll have to pay for it".

Money, money, money. You die for their profit. Our companies dealt with our "enemies " in every war there has been, and profited. And peons have died. US.

"Hell no, we won't go" seems like a good slogan. Viet era, of course, but what the hell?

Anybody ever heard of Coxy's Army, who came home from the "War to End All Wars" (that's WW1 for the youngsters), and when the Gov refused to pay the Vets bonus, marched on Wash DC, nearly brought the country to a standstill?

War is not like TV or the movies.

Stay home, boys, or head for Canada or Mexico. Do NOT let the profs tell you how great it is to die for your country.

JFK is always being quoted for the stupid blurb, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

This is a stupid line. Personally, as a working stiff, I pay "my country" about half my income so that they may hire more leeches to run my life.

Ah, man, I'm getting more pissed as I write.

You guys don't count. You are, at best, cannon fodder. We have 1/2 a million men on the payroll full time in the US Army, yet we have 130,000 reservists in Iraq and 43,000 more being called up. Just what do we pay 400 billion dollars a year for, for the "Standding Army" that our Constitution wrote the Second Amendment, the Right To Keep And Bear Arms, to prevent?

Cheers,

George

[zzyzzx]

I'd go and fight with honor. Not just because it's the right thing to do, but because I'd probably enjoy bumping off a few of 'em.

[lordsmurf]

Lorddmurf, I hope the emoticon meant just kiddding that it's not over oil. And, you are not a couple years over the age. And spinal would have to be bifida or fusions or something, and vision would have to be uncorrectable with as thick a lens as the Gov docs can fit into GI Issue frames, the kind called welfare glasses, thick black plastic ones, no fashionable wirerims.

- It's not over oil. It was about removing a dictator, WMD or not.
- Age 25 is too old for drafting, at least by traditional standards.
- I assure you my back problems disqualify me from many things, including things I want to do.

[VCDHunter]

- It's not over oil. It was about removing a dictator, WMD or not.

And if it makes you feel better keep repeating that to yourself.

First it was WMD, now its "he's a bad man" whats next ? And how come for decades he was in bed with Rumsfeld, Bush et all but now he's public enemy number one ?

Are you a PR exec for BP or something ?

The sheer hypocrisy of our "leaders" is sometimes quite, quite breathtaking. But with people incapable of forming ideas outside of the mainstream media mindset they're able to keep the cattle in-line. Or let me put it another way - MOOOOOOOOOOO.

[lordsmurf]

- It's not over oil. It was about removing a dictator, WMD or not.

now its "he's a bad man" whats next ?

What the **** would you call him? Daddy? Mr Nice Guy? He was a damned mercenary dictator that killed his own people when he got bored and his raving lunatic sons did the same. This is not "propaganda", it's ******* fact. I'm glad they're all ******* dead. I wish we'd kill a few more like them. The world is better off without shit like him trying to consume the earth in their evil ways. Evil. God damned evil. Better off dead. **** Osama. **** Saddam. **** 'em all. And before you stick your snooty Brit nose up at me, your Tony Blair was their with us. Why? Because he refuses to be the typical backwards European (France anyone?) with his head up his ass.

Some of my friends and family are in Baghdad now. I just 30 minutes ago talked to my cousin about his Thanksgiving dinner and about army desert life in general. I feel the world is safer now because of him and others like him.

Hypocritical considering I'd never fight? Maybe. But I suck at combat. I have a hard time coordinating lots of things at once. Chewing gum and aiming and pulling the trigger at the same time would pose a problem. I'm only decent at hand-to-hand, not with a gun. I can serve other purposes besides cannon fodder to some dune coon. Leave fighting to those that do it well. Leave me out of it.

[Baldrick]

Please discuss politics somewhere else.