Matrix Revolutions Discussion

[Conquest10]

A trilogy should END the story... not leave us hanging and give a half-assed ending... not to mention making the 3rd movie the biggest disappointment of all...

The war is over. Isn't that what this whole thing was about?

Neo in the middle-realm railway... yeah, whatever, useless scene...

Not so. It was used to illustrate that love is not a human exclusive idea.

Being able to see the sky above the scorch! Wow... story please... at least let somebody know..

I didn't see anything wrong with that. It was only about at the most ten seconds long. Its like the scene in Independence Day when they go out to space and they look down at the earth. Just that little sense of beauty in the middle of a war.

The end of the movie... that's nice and all, but what about the people IN the Matrix, and what about the real world?

What about the real world? I guess they have to just rebuild. I was wondering the same thing about the people in the matrix. The matrix was "reloaded" I guess and I don't know what happened to the people. I guess they would go about like nothing happened. I don't think we're supposed to know.

They're going to have to have a 4th movie (or a mini-series or a book) to finish this story off. I'm not satisfied at all. At least the ticket only cost $4.

I would love to see more matrix movies but I don't think that would be a good idea.

It's their story... they should tell me what happens... don't make me think and guess..

I think that was the point of these movies. To make you think. There's nothing wrong with thinking.

[cplevel42]

Conquest10 - You make some great points!!!

This is the "brothers story" Not ours. Of course we all would have written it differently.

At any rate, the matrix has been ground breaking; especially in terms of what is possible for the human race in the next 50 years.

Do we really want to create AI? Artificial intelligence. If we create AI, will it become jealous? You would think anything that becomes self aware that we use, as "slaves" would be, especially when computers control almost all facets of society today; Everything from the financial sectors to the brakes in your car.

This movie really makes you think.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the next 50 years are going to be very scary for the human race, if we even make it that far.

[nissmo300]

There is a rumor going around TMD movies that their will be a Matrix 4 : The 3rd Renaisance. Leave your feeling on this. THe ending of Revolutions seems to confirm this in a way...

[mysticgohan17]

There is a rumor going around TMD movies that their will be a Matrix 4 : The 3rd Renaisance. Leave your feeling on this. THe ending of Revolutions seems to confirm this in a way...

Joel Silver has said there will be no fourth film. Unless the brothers have lied to him

I can pretty much guarantee you that the next 50 years are going to be very scary for the human race, if we even make it that far.

*dun dun dunnnnn!*

[g_shocker182]

Screw everybody that bad-mouths it, this movie was awesome.

Best fight scenes ever.

[bladestorm]

Well, i'm serously pissed! Not about the movie but rather the theater I saw it at. I went today, sat through the previews like any other movie, then it started. I could tell right away somthing was not right with the sound. Sure enough it was coming from the center channel only. This not being at all tolerable I went to tell a manager who told me they would fix it. 20 minutes later no fix. I again went to tell the manager who said they "Thought" they fixed it. I go back to sit down and could hear that all they did was turn up the volume a little, but still only center channel. For some reason I stayed for the whole movie but didnt really pay attention in my pissed off state.

I would like to know what you all would do in the same situation and what I should do now. Would a nasty letter be at all effective? For now, i'm gonna go try to salvage what I can of the movie and see it at IMAX where I know for sure they have competent employees!

[lordsmurf]

Screw everybody that bad-mouths it, this movie was awesome. Best fight scenes ever.

What fight scenes? All I saw was guns. The guns aimed at the ceiling in the dock scene were cool, but I've seen better action movies. Everything else, what few there were, are just rehashes of the same things seen in the first two movies.

The Neo fighting Smith in the ship was like a bad bar brawl.

And the Neo fighting Smith in the stormy Matrix was just utterly ridiculous. Stereotypical Matrix fight, we could see it coming, and it just went against common sense. All those Smiths looking on were useless sense as they did nothing but stare.

I just don't like movies that make me think. I want to be entertained. If I wanted to think I'd read the newspaper or go to the library and check out some non-fiction. Great big stink-bomb movie.

This has only proven to me that good story-telling is still hard to find in modern times. The Wachowski (or however you spell it) brothers suffer from creative writing fatigue... whereas the beginning is great, and the story climax is awesome, but the ending is rushed and sucks big time, making the whole story crap. I had higher expectations.

[jeex]

man.. revolutions was so dissapointing.. so was reloaded..

the first matrix movie will forever stand as the best for me..

reloaded & revolutions are kind of like xbox games, great graphics but horrid gameplay..

[vitualis]

I was disappointed with Revolutions... I thought that the ending was philosophically wimpy and simplistic for the calibre of SF the Matrix trilogy was supposed to be. Once again, SFX has triumphed over the story line...

Well, that's my opinion anyway.

Regards.

[sLiMpAuLy]

*Spoiler*



To answer the questions in the previous post about the people still in the Matrix, When the Archatect and the Orical meet in the park at the end the Orical asks " what about the others?" to which the Architect replies "they will be freed" .

So the "acceptable levels of survival" that the Achatect spoke of in #2 will be implimented, and all the "batteries" will be released from the Matrix. Thus PEACE. It kind of touched on this in "The Animatrix" All the machines wanted was to be allowed to "exist" , and when mankind tried to destroy them, man started the war. Now that the war is over man will try to rebuild the world and fix the damage they did to the skies.


JMO

please fell free to bash the hell out of my interpitations, as I welcome a good debate.

[spiderman2k1]

Loved it loved it just as good as a LORD of the Ring movie. It's so good I might buy the movie two time's on DVD fullscreen and Widescreen LOL oh ok I'll only buy it one time Widescreen.

[mrtristan]

I went to the first showing. I really didn't like the fact that Trinity and Neo died, so I refused to even think about the movie for about a day. I was upset that I wasted my admission and my wife's admission and dumped our son on my mom, so we could go out and see it.

Then, like Reloaded, I started to think about the plot and it really wasn't as bad as I thought it was. I was more upset that Neo died, than I didn't like the story. I really wasn't expecting that it would end that way.

Anyway, now that a few days have passed, I'd like to go and see it again. At first, I really felt that they ruined a good trilogy with marketing and hype, but now I feel different.

[little Mick]

What A terrible film.......great special effects.....but BIG DEAL!!!! My friend nearly fell asleep in the beginning.......I was just bored.....how much rhetorical, circular dialogue do we have to listen to......I am telling everyone I can to not go see this film.......Boo!!!!! What a STINKER!!!!

[vitualis]

To answer the questions in the previous post about the people still in the Matrix, When the Archatect and the Orical meet in the park at the end the Orical asks " what about the others?" to which the Architect replies "they will be freed" .

So the "acceptable levels of survival" that the Achatect spoke of in #2 will be implimented, and all the "batteries" will be released from the Matrix. Thus PEACE. It kind of touched on this in "The Animatrix" All the machines wanted was to be allowed to "exist" , and when mankind tried to destroy them, man started the war. Now that the war is over man will try to rebuild the world and fix the damage they did to the skies.

I don't think that this is the case.

When the Oracle mentions the "others", she is referring to those in the Matrix who didn't want to be in it (remember "99% of test subjects accepted the program" in the Architect ramble in Matrix 2 -- meaning a small number didn't accept the test program).

The architect is suggesting that these people will be released (I think).

Regards.

[nissmo300]

Here is my analysis of the movie. Hope it answers a few questions.

Here we go with the basics.

Zion is real! The Matrix is not.

The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose.

The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again) but humans did not accept it as real so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).

The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.

The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus.

The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love.

Onto Revolutions:

Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith's behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.

Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system.

At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself. The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh?

For those that like to dig deeper, than note the biblical references throughout the series. Heck, the French Man (Merovigchian) is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect represents God - i.e. the creator of the world and its destroyer whenever things don't go as he wants. He even has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.

[lordsmurf]

It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.

A good movie shouldn't need Cliff's Notes. (Those still exist, right?)

Anyway, thanks for the synopsis. It does make some sense, though I still see holes in the plot and the storyline.

Again, they rushed the ending like a high school kid in creative writing class.

[BJ_M]

It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION

very good ....

[pyrate83]

It would have been weird if the ending was in Neo's apartment and Neo was back in bed waking up from a long dream. That would have made you think. Would have been like taking us back to the original movie.

Just a thought, but I liked the movie, lots and lots of action. Kept me interested that's for sure.

[BJ_M]

It would have been weird if the ending was in Neo's apartment and Neo was back in bed waking up from a long dream. That would have made you think. Would have been like taking us back to the original movie.

Just a thought, but I liked the movie, lots and lots of action. Kept me interested that's for sure. :wink:

used in to many movies though --

[ps2daddy]

Ok one question guys, I know the lady that played the role of the 1st oracle passed away in real life what was the explanation of why she was different?

I think I missed that one

[VidGuy]

The Merovingian (sp?) explained that (kind of) - he basically made the remark while talking to the group that she must have "found a new shell", and the Oracle herself mentioned paying a price - presumably the Merovingian somehow stole/removed her "shell" (body in which she resided).

[ps2daddy]

The Merovingian (sp?) explained that (kind of) - he basically made the remark while talking to the group that she must have "found a new shell", and the Oracle herself mentioned paying a price - presumably the Merovingian somehow stole/removed her "shell" (body in which she resided).

Thanks I didnt catch that

[tgpo]

Boy did this movie suck!! I want my money back for this one and the last sequel. At least Elf was good.

[indolikaa]

I'll let you all know about the movie once I'm done downloading it off KaZaa and have it burned onto a 3" CD-R at full D1 resolution.

I'll bet it's on DVD by New Years Day.

[Conquest10]

Boy did this movie suck!! I want my money back for this one and the last sequel. At least Elf was good.

Elf? Really? Looks kind of bad from the previews.

PS indolikaa, what's been going on?

[indolikaa]

Dragon!

Busier than a cheap whore on dollar night around here. Things have finally calmed down so I thought I'd peek in and see how Baldrick's World is doing. The 'Honey-Do' jar needed some attention the last few weeks. And since I can take something as simple as replacing a toilet seat and drag it out into an afternoon affair, it took awhile to work through Mrs. Indolikaa's list.

So how the hell are you? Nice to see the Bears playing better football.

[tgpo]

Elf? Really? Looks kind of bad from the previews.

Don't go by the previews. It's a really good movie.

[Conquest10]

Nice to see the Bears playing better football.

That's what I thought. They started getting good then lost to the Lions. At least their games are always close, though.

[indolikaa]

But, given the choice, would you rather watch Matrix Revolutions or the recent edition of the Oakland Raiders? Both are old and worn-out, and need to be retired...

No disrespect to DoggieDaddy, of course.

Seattle Seahawks. We're like the plane that's flying high, the one that you know has nose-dive crash written all over it. :P

[VCDHunter]

Boy did this movie suck!! I want my money back for this one and the last sequel.

Did suck indeed, but would probably be far better if the cinemas handed out Neo style blindfolds before the movie