Can someone recommend a "professional" software solution for PAL NTSC conversions.
I'm considering Atlantis, Procoder or Vegas? Have I missed anything?
http://www.dvfilm.com/atlantis/compare.htm
Would prefer a simple one button conversion method!![]()
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Originally Posted by bode
AviSynth is free and it really isn't that difficult. The hard part, the actual METHOD and the AviSynth scripting is all here on this website in various guides and posts.
You'd be crazy to pay the money that they want for Procoder. At least Vegas has more functions to it that could be usefull for more than just format conversions. I've never heard of Atlantis.
As far as doing it with AviSynth and TMPGEnc and/or CINEMA CRAFT ENCODER (aka CCE) I can point you to some guides and stuff if you want.
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Here are two resources to help you out in case you want to check into doing it the "hard way" but really once you do it a couple times and understand the process it really isn't all that bad at all.
Anyways ...
1.) http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/index.html
2.) https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=160433
The first link we have us Xesdeeni's excellent website on format conversion which is basically our bible here. It has some great info but unfortunately falls just a tad short of being a complete step-by-step guide but it is excellent work. Kudos to Xesdeeni!
The second link is an old THREAD from this very website were Xesdeeni and a few others (including the great DJRumpy and yours truely) engange in a discussion about how to properly do PAL to NTSC including alot of the nitty gritty stuff you need to know ... basically the details and more of the step-by-step stuff missing from Xedseeni's website.
Everything you need to know is there and it's all using freeware (AviSynth and BeSweet) and the modestly priced encoder of your choice be it TMPGEnc or CCE Basic etc.
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That looks great - thanks, I assume you have answered this question before!
I will give this a go, probably giving myself too much work, when I should just let my boss get his wallet out. Quality is the priority.
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Originally Posted by bode
In Atlantis, there are no block-like artifacts because motion vector processing is not used. There are also no double-image effects or excessive blurring, because fields or frames are never blended together. Instead, each frame of PAL is converted to a progressive-scan image (as if it were shot on 25 fps film) and then printed to either 2 or 3 NTSC fields as required to play back at the correct speed. The 2 field / 3 field method is the same method used to convert film to NTSC, so the results look very much like film converted to video.
If you follow the complete THREAD (my second LINK in my second post) you will see that I suggested this method (or a similiar method) to Xesdeeni. Why not just take interlaced PAL and deinterlace it then convert it not to interlaced NTSC (which seems to me what Atlantis does) but instead to progressive NTSC ... but ... you have to read Xesdeeni's answer to understand that that is NOT the answer.
Also I don't understand why you would want to take progressive PAL and then put it into interlaced NTSC instead of progressive NTSC but that sounds like that is how Atalntis works. If Atalantis really does take the PAL source and make it progressive THEN the only logical application would be to then make it progressive NTSC ... not interlaced.
In short progressive PAL to progressive NTSC is very simple and pretty much error free. This can actually be done just using TMPGEnc or if you use CCE then you will have to use a (fairly simple) AviSynth script but in short it works rathre well. Now Interlaced PAL to NTSC is a bit of a trick but Xesdeeni's method sure seems to work great and although it does require using AviSynth (even if using TMPGEnc) it really isn't that hard to do. After all Xesdeeni has done the hard part by figuring out the correct script for us.
So in short I don't think Atlantis is the answer.
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Thanks for your input - appreciated, I have a lot of reading to do, but not now, its 4am
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Originally Posted by bode
Do they just need simple conversion or will they need to be processed further after eding etc. adding music or doing some sort of editing etc.
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It's promotional video work from a DV camera. They will be edited, menued and converted to DVD. Some will require transfers to NTSC.
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I've converted interlaced PAL to interlaced NTSC with Vegas 4.0 and I am very pleased with the results. You can read about it in Doom9's forum in this thread.
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vegas does a great job at it .. Phoenix Tools Timemaster does a REALLY great job (but is slow) and its expensive ..
after effects, shake , fusion all do a pretty darn good job ...
fastest with very high quality -> you can not beat FireStore DV Standards Converter (does any type of avi conversion also besides DV)
http://www.focusinfo.com/products/firestore/dvconversionsuite/dvcsuite.html
DV Standards Converter is not just a video format converter but also a file format converter. It imports and exports many file formats and while it converts NTSC to PAL or PAL to NTSC, it also does file format conversion. The application has an easy-to-use drag-and-drop user interface.
Features:
High quality NTSC<->PAL conversion with motion interpolation
Scene change detection preserves clean cuts between scenes
trox RT2500/DigiSuite AVI, SONY ES-3 DV files (.dv), SONY DSR-DU1 DV files (.dvd), AVIDŽ DV OMF
Any DirectX or Video For Windows DV codec can be used
Correctly handles interlaced and progressive scan with optional adaptive deinterlacing. Selectable field order for source and target.
Changing field order and the two deinterlacing methods can also be used with file conversion
NTSC to PAL options: Scale Up/Letter Box/Pan And Scan/Letter Box Plus Pan And Scan
PAL to NTSC options: Scale Down/Crop
Time resampling modes: motion interpolation, nearest even+nearest odd field, blend nearest fields, 2:3:3:2:2 pulldown
Batch conversion
Imports QuickTimeŽ, QuickTimeŽ Reference Movie, AVI Type 1 and 2 (with or without OpenDML extension), Reference AVI Type 1 and 2, Raw DV (.dv/.dif/.dvsd), Canopus AVI Type 1 and 2, Matrox RT2500/DigiSuite AVI, SONY ES-3 DV files (.dv), SONY DSR-DU1 DV files (.dvd) and playlists (.dlx, .dlt), AVIDŽ DV OMF
Exports QuickTimeŽ (with or without separate audio track), AVI Type 1 and 2 (with or without OpenDML extension), Reference AVI Type 1 and 2, Raw DV (.dv/.dif/.dvsd), Canopus AVI Type 1 and 2, Matrox RT2500/DigiSuite AVI, SONY ES-3 DV files (.dv), SONY
Command line version; useful for scripting (for registered users only)
No filesize limitation: proper handling of >4GB (AVI, QuickTimeŽ, Raw DV...) files
Video formats imported and exported: DV, DVCPRO25, uncompressed RGB (24 and 32-bit), uncompressed 8-bit YUV 4:2:2 (based on ITU-Rec. 601), QuickTimeŽ Animation and AVI Huffyuv codec supported
DV Standards Converter is fully functional demo version. The unregistered version can be used for evaluation purposes only. The only limitation in the unregistered version is that an "Unregistered Version" watermark is written inside the DV frames."Each problem that I solved became a rule which served afterwards to solve other problems." - Rene Descartes (1596-1650) -
do u have a link for the phoenix tools? couldnt see it.
or perhaps a trial dowload somewhere.
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Originally Posted by bode
they have a 500$ version and 1000$ version
there is a demo though you can't see it on thier web site ..
TimeMaster is a program that allows different kinds of image manipulations. The technique employed is based on motion flow computation and analysis along the sequence. TimeMaster lets you, for example, add new frames to an existing video sequence, add motion blur or even detect local motion.
You can "time-warp" the sequence, i.e. modify and control in an accurate way the speed of the sequence, with respect to the original one. It is possible to generate accurate motion effects, such as extreme slow motion and any speed change in the sequence.
Two different techniques for motion analysis are implemented to cover all possible user needs:
Pixel matching: a motion vector is computed for each pixel in an image, thus generating an accurate motion vector field. This technique lets you obtain higher quality results with respect to a simple block matching (to which, however, it can be reduced for fast motion analysis), however it needs a slightly longer computation time.
Region clustering: each frame is partitioned into clusters, each representing a region of consistent motion. A major advantage in determining clusters is the possibility to manage in an exact way the frame reconstruction in the regions where foreground/background occlusions occur, a key problem in motion flow estimation.
The behavior of the estimation and reconstruction process, for each of the above estimation methods, can be simply tuned according to the sequence properties and to your needs. Moreover, TimeMaster lets you apply to the reconstructed sequence a variable amount of motion blur, according to the computed motion. TimeMaster also allows you to stabilize an input sequence, in order to reduce camera vibrations, and to generate a global motion pixel map, in order to separate static objects (or background) from moving ones (or foreground).
What's new on this version:
Time Warper: Provides non linear re-timing functionality. It comes with a fully optional Function Curve Editor for fine tuning the mapping between input and output time line, It indefinitely increases slow motion functionalities as it allows the user to easily slow down and speed up segments of the input sequence in a new output sequence. Complete backward compatibilty with previous projects.
Timing Reverse Beside extreme slow motion, now time reverse is supported as well. Generate an output sequence in which the source sequence is backward played at any speed. The feature is exploited by simply drawing descending time warp curves.
New GUI A new redesigned and more user-friendly graphical user interface.
Hi-Res Image Format Supports SGI 16 bit format also in output. Starting from hi-res sequences you can generate output sequences with the same format.
General Bug Fixing.
Unique Features and Benefits:
Stay Tuned - Creating the latest trend in special effects such as Bullet Time.
Greater Accuracy - Colour and Motion Clustering guarantee a high level of accuracy.
Flexible - The motion vectors information are saved as a normal picture, allowing you to edit them externally with any paint program and then reload them after the refinement.
Effective - Eliminates the unwanted shaking or vibration of camera movement.
Versatile - Generate landscapes from a sequence of images using an unique feature of the Stabilizer.
Production Proven - Global/local motion map for easy separation of moving objects in a scene, and optimise the camera tracking process.
Professional - Time Master supports all state of the art image format including 16 bit per channel hi-res film format.
TimeMaster's Modules Description:
Motion Analysis
Motion analysis is a function which all the other modules are based on. It analyses the given sequence at a pixel level trying to find timing correlation for each one of them. The result of such an operation is represented by what is called 'Motion Vector' which shows where each pixel can be found in a subsequent frame.
Stabilizer
This function is used to stabilize an input sequence in order to reduce camera vibrations. Through scaling, rotation and translation each image is then transformed in order to match an ideal camera movement given by a 'Motion Vector' filtering.
Global/Local Motion
This function is used to define which part of the images is moving globally (according to the camera) or locally.
Motion Blur
This function allows the user to add motion blur to a given sequence. Once the sequence has been selected the user can change parameters which will determine how much blur will be added to the images, how it would fade and how spread the blur would be.
Time Interpolation
This function allows the user to scale, in time, a given sequence, making it slower or faster according to given parameters.
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I tested the PAL to NTSC converter on these:
EASY VIDEO CONVERTER
Not enough settings.
The video was still jerky even after running it through TMPGEnc using
both Top and Bottom field settings. The scene transitions looked like
window blinds.
ALL VIDEO CONVERTER
Not enough settings.
The video was still jerky even after running it through TMPGEnc using
both Top and Bottom field settings. The scene transitions looked like
window blinds.
FOCUS DV STANDARDS CONVERTER
Lots of settings.
Smooth playback.
High price........$299.00
I guess you get what you pay for.....sometimes.
I purchase quite of few PAL only movies from the UK so it might be worth the money.
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