Backing Up The Hulk DVD

[Aztec_gizmo]

I tried DVD Decrypter and DVD2One to make a backup copy of the Hulk and it did not work. The file was too large even though I specified a size of 4.36 GB. It came out to 4.41 GB. I also tried DVDFab and got the error "The disc cannot be copied". Does anyone know what the problem is with this DVD?

[macleod]

dvdshrink

[SV_Trinity]

DVD Decrypter
DVD2One 1.30

... no problems with MOVIE-ONLY "HULK".

[Aztec_gizmo]

Has anyone tried a full disk copy?

[FulciLives]

I tried DVD Decrypter and DVD2One to make a backup copy of the Hulk and it did not work. The file was too large even though I specified a size of 4.36 GB. It came out to 4.41 GB. I also tried DVDFab and got the error "The disc cannot be copied". Does anyone know what the problem is with this DVD?

Try using DVD2ONE with CONSTANT COMPRESSION as opposed to VARIABLE COMPRESSION. Also try to set your total FILE size to no more than 4.2GB (around 4250MB to 4300MB) otherwise you risk getting edge-of-disc read errors UNLESS you are using REALLY good media like RITEK G04 or Taiyo Yuden and even then I wouldn't set the size above 4400MB

Also I find it is a good idea to run the final burned DVD through the READ ERROR TEST in DVDInfoPro. If you get any READ ERRORS then chuck the disc and try again. Really poor media will need a total size less than 4.0GB (about 4096MB) whereas most media is fine up to 4.2GB (about 4300MB) and only the best of media can handle the full size but even then I'd keep it at 4400MB which is very very near full size anyways.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[spiderman2k1]

http://www.dvd2one.com/revision.php

DVD2ONE Revision History
Version 1.3.0 (September 5, 2003)

* Added a powerful new copy mode: the join mode. You can read all about it on this page.
* Added default audio and subtitle selection for movie-only and join mode. Just doubleclick on the row to select that language as default.
* Added a special feature for join mode to navigate through the different titlesets. Just in case your dvd player does not feature a disk navigator itself.
* Fixed a small problem in the compression ratio calculation, which could affect the destination size estimation of the variable ratio mode.

There was a bug in DVD2ONE 1.23 variable ratio mode hitting the target size

[urbanlegend]

I posted about this dvd on the forum of www.dvdshrink.info but the website is down right now. Anyhow, I backed up with DVD Decryptor and opened it up in Shrink and realised the movie is encoded twice, I guess to stop piracy. I used shrink to reauthor and got rid of the 2nd stream and made a movie only disc and the 2nd disc did not need any compression therefore once ripped (err backed up) with dvd decryptor you burn right away with your fav burn program, me I did it with nero and no problems. Hope that helps!

UL

[jbenj01]

'encoded twice'?? Can you explain, pls? Also, i backed up last nite with IC8 and burned this morning.. so you're saying i might have a non-playing burn when i get home?

[Jestak]

Greetings,

I use DVD shrink, Imgtools and DVD decrypter to burn the image.

I backed up the hulk last week-end and the quality is as good as the original (dvd-9 to dvd-5).

Frankly, I used some commercials softwares and I always came back to my dvdshrink/Imgtools/DVD Decrypter software combos. With those, I did not waste any CD and the quality was almost always as good as the original.

The only issue I encountered is the sound. Sometimes, I must crank up the volume. Usually, I watch my movies at 20-22 and sometimes, with the copy, I need to crank up the volume to 40-44. No big deal, but I always wondered why...

Thank you

[Ziffelpig]

Is it two DVD,s you are trying to back up, if so the extras DVD has 1 level of the Hulk game which is playable on X-Box. That might be part of the problem.

[kirpen]

When I checked the dvd it had the movie two times on the disc in two seperate titles.

[ddlooping]

Hi all.

I posted about this dvd on the forum of www.dvdshrink.info but the website is down right now.

I just want to clarify something.
The forums urbanlegend is refering to are not DVDShrink.info's.
They are the official DVD Shrink forums (part of the "Digital Video Forums"), and existed long before I made DVDShrink.info.
http://forum.digital-digest.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48
I just linked the two together (both dvdshrink and the forums admin are aware of it, and totally fine with it).

My original idea was to create new multi-lingual forums, but dvdshrink prefered to stick with D-V-F because of the support they had given him right from the start; totally understandable.

P.S: DVDShrink.info is down due to exceeded bandwidth, but should be back online tomorrow.

[i am x]

Has anyone tried a full disk copy?

I did it 2 days ago. Full menus and all. Used DVD Shrink 3, Beta 5. Worked like a charm. To get the best results possible, I took out the French soundtrack, since it was useless for the customer I backed up the disc for. There should be nothing wrong with you backing up the disc.

[noki]

info on another thread stated the extra movie contain info on how the movie was made (this movie runs concurrent with the other) in addition to the movie itself. you need to press some button on your remote to access this special feature. said it was like Follow the White Rabbit on the Matrix DVD. also I notices Rush Hour 2 has the same setup.

[Aztec_gizmo]

Thanks everyone for your help.

I did what FulciLives suggested and it worked. I am not sure why DVDFab did not work. I also recently purchased DVDFab. To say the least, I was dissapointed when DVDFab told me it could not back up the DVD. As a rule I use DVD2one (great product) for movies 120 minutes or less and DVDFab for movies above 120 minutes.

[Igit]

Hi I reduced my file size to 4300 instead of the standard 4472 and it fit perfectly using dvd2one

[noki]

Aztec_gizmo and Igit...

how does the movie look on a standalone compared to the original?

[Aztec_gizmo]

Noki, the movie previews and menu system do not look that great because of the compression, but the main movie looks good to me.

[handyguy]

I did a full disk with dvdshrink 2.3, took about oh 40 minutes or something on a 2.4ghz.

[StarofRadiance]

Many movies besides Hulk have multiple titles. If you check you might find duplicate streams (Two Weeks Notice did that). Generally I use DVD Shrink, reauthor it with only the Main Movie, eliminate languages other than English. If I cannot get above 67%, I also eliminate 6 channel audio as long as there is a separate stereo stream. I prefer DVD Shrink to most other programs because it is free, easy, and I do not run into audio-video sync problems.

[FulciLives]

I haven't backed up THE HULK yet but I did recently back up MATRIX RELOADED and the 2 have the same running time.

I did MATRIX RELOADED with DVD2ONE but noticed in some scenes that there were noticeable compression artifacts but it wasn't THAT bad but still ...

So I ended up doing it again using a 3 pass VBR in CCE with a MIN of 1500kbps an AVG of 3800kbps and a MAX of 8000kbps and only used the 5.1 English AC-3 audio track. The MARXTRIX RELOADED was easier in that the only extra stuff on the MOVIE disc was the movie with 2 soundtracks (one in French) and subtitles that I didn't need.

Anyways the quality turned out a bit better than the DVD2ONE method although it took about 20 hours to encode (but then again I have a slow computer anything around 2.0Ghz or faster would probably take at least half of that time).

So you might want to try that with THE HULK although doing it that way really limits you to only one soundtrack if you use a "normal" authoring program since that is all most support unless you go all out with something like DVD Maestro but although I have that program I hardly use it since it is a pain-in-the-ass but it does allow you to use multiple soundtracks and subs etc.

... but for a backup all you really need is one audio track anyways.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[urbanlegend]

'encoded twice'?? Can you explain, pls?

Sure look at the below screen capture, I dont think I need to explain it explains itself:



Quality would have been alot better if you deleted the 2nd one in re-author mode.....that what I did and applied still pictures to the end credits with no audio, beginning 5 mins of movie @ 46% and kept the 6 channel audio and directors commentary.... the end result is the image below:

so you're saying i might have a non-playing burn when i get home?

Never said that, I was trying to say that quality may not be as good ... anyhow whatever works better for you.

BTW ... DDLooping sorry about that little slip I just wanted to refer to my post @ those forums and couldnt remember the actual place where the forums where located



UL

[ddlooping]

No problem, urbanlegend, it was a good opportunity for me to explain the situation .

[jbenj01]

Thanks, UrganLegend..

But you do need to keep both titles because they both use the same VOB's, correct?? It's not like you can strip one or the other to save space to put onto 1 dvd-r... ??

I guess my question is: Is there 3,628MB of data for the movie OR 3,628 x 2 = 7,256MB ??

[David K]

Titles are not the same as the VOBs.

In a disc with four episodes of a TV show for example, the DVD can have a title for each of the episodes separately (titles 1-4) and a title for "play all" (title 5) but the DVD uses the same Vob for episode 1 whether or not you play it from title 1 or title 5. And you will get the same compression rate in shrink programs if you select both titles 1-4 and title 5, because it is using the same Vobs in both cases. It will simply give you the opition of playing them in a different way (separately or "play all.")

Also you can have a different title if the DVD is set up to distinguish a commentary track as a separate title from the regular sound track.

I don't have any direct experience with the Hulk DVD, but the fact that the two titles are exactly the same size would lead me to believe that each has the same video but is distinguished by the sound track.

[urbanlegend]

jbenj01 I have not watched the entire movie yet but did skim through parts and watched the exciting parts (banner to hulk changes) and fight scenes and they all played flawlessy on my Panasonic RP82 and old Pioneer DV-414 so far.

Try it but burn it to a DVD+/-/RW is you are worried....

[handyguy]

Maybe one is widescreen & one regular?

[djmattyb]

I noticed the same thing about the Hulk DVD. Hopefully someone can tell us why it was encoded twice. I was able to back up the movei only just fine using DVDShrink and then burning with Nero - the same way I backup all my movies.

[urbanlegend]

Maybe one is widescreen & one regular?

Nope ... not the case ... then why would they release two versions of the movie on DVD in two seperate versions/discs, one full screen and one widescreen?? I couldnt figure it myself anyways but main thing is it is backed up now and working fine with the method I showed above and I am a happy camper

[Igit]

Noki, the movie quality is good but the menus etc not so good as expectded due to compression and this is on 54inch tv