subtitle are not synchro in maestro?

[atlas]

Hi!

I have a pal movie that i want convert in ntsc.
So i convert the video to 23.976 fps and i put the NTSC resolution.
I convert the ac3 track with besweet in 23.976 fps too.
After that, i make a pulldown.exe on the video so, dvd maestro tell me the fps is 29.97.
When i compile the dvd and when i look it: It's perfect. The ac3 tracks are synchronize with the video.
But after, i extract my subtitle from my DVD with subrip in BMP and a .son file. I tell to Subrip that my video has 25 fps, after that, i convert the son file with Subtitle workshop in 23.976 fps. And when i add them to my project, at the end of the movie, the subtitle are not synchro (of few secondes! but they are correct in the begining of the movie...)

I also try to convert the .son files in 23.978 but it's just a little little better but it's very not perfect yet

I also try 29.97 and 30 fps but it's worst...

I don't know what can i try...
Do you think that's a pb of Subtitle workshop??

Thx a lot


and the ac3 tracks 25fps to 23.976: Their is not pb here, the video is synch with the audio.

[Paradebh]

I have the same problem. The beginning is perfect but after some minutes......... I will try another version of subrip.

[SLK001]

Use MaestroSBT to convert the timing to 29.97 DROP FRAME timing. Or convert your video to 29.97 NON DROP FRAME.

[Paradebh]

My original framerate is 29,97. I ripped the subtitle from this movie (29,97) with subrip. Why i need to make a ssa subtitle?? I used vobedit to rip vob to m2v, is there a problem?

[atlas]

Yes, i agree with you: Why should I must create a SSA file?
I want to put the real subtitles of the DVD. So i can't use them in STB MAESTRO...

If someone have an idea thx

[Paradebh]

Atlas i tried it and works (but i need to convert to ssa.....):


"If you have 29.97 fps /NTSC / subtiltes when importing them into MaestroSBT you should ALWAYS set 29.97 for fps IN but 30.00 for fps OUT. Don't touch anything else and see how it works. "

Now works fine. I think it's a Maestro's bug

[atlas]

Ok thx, i will try that

But i find this too on a doom9 guide, look:

First, use the following command line:

Pulldown project.mpv output.m2v –prog_frames p

then use this one…

Pulldown project.mpv output-drop.m2v –prog_frames p –drop_frame true

You will now have a “output.m2v” file and a “output-drop.m2v” file that can be imported into Maestro.

Place the “output.m2v” video file on the timeline and your audio file. Next, right-click in the chapter section of the timeline and import your *.CHP chapter list you made earlier.

Once the chapters have been imported, REMOVE the video from the timeline and replace it with the “output-drop.m2v” file. This will allow for proper subtitle import. You MUST NOT import the subtitles when the other video file is on the timeline! They will NEVER be in sync if you do, even if you replace the file with the “output-drop.m2v” file later. You MUST place the “output-drop.m2v” file on the timeline BEFORE importing the subtitles. Right-click on the subtitle line and import your *.SON subtitle file you created earlier.



have you tried this?

[Paradebh]

Yes I try it too. But my audio stay out of sync and lost more time with two pulldown convertions. The subtitle convertion works great.

[SLK001]

My question, is why do you insist on making this so hard?

Here's how I do subtitles:
1) OCR with SUBRIP, then save in SubStationAlpha format.
2) Edit the subs in SSA, add subs that are missing, correct the spelling, etc, then save the file.
3) Open the file in MaestroSBT.
4) Set timing to 29.97 DROP.
5) Format the subs how you like them.
6) Create the bitmaps.
7) Import the *.SON file into DVDMaestro.
8) Enable the subs, then PREVIEW the timeline with subs on.
9) If the subs are out of sync (which they usually will be if you remove parts of the intro, like warning screens, etc), then either use a stopwatch, or the Maestro clock to find out how much they are out.
10) Go back to SSA, and adjust timings to sync up your subs, then save the file and go to step 3) above.

It almost takes more time to write this than to follow these steps. If you follow these steps, your subs will easily be sync'ed with your dialog.

[Paradebh]

There is another observation: i don't need to recompress my vob file (with cce or tmpgenc) my vob was intact. If you use CCE i think you need to use pulldown. Maybe thats explain the out of synch audio in my project.

[Paradebh]

Hard??? In subrip (1.17) you can rip to Maestro directly. The subtitles was the same of original. You don't need to make OCR, bla, bla, bla. So much easier, but don't works.

[SLK001]

If your audio is going farther and farther out of sync, then your problems are entirely drop frame related.

I suggest that you stop what you are doing, and actually try to learn about what you are doing.

[Paradebh]

SLK001, I understand your solution, and it works. But I can understand, in my case, if i have one DVD with 29,97fps, why i need to make a ssa file? Vobsub has the option to convert it directly to maestro, (with bmp and colors, etc) but the subtiles always is out of sync. Why it happens? Is it a problem in vobsub? (1.17)

[SLK001]

I know that you can rip the subs directly to BITMAPs, but I find that I always have to edit the substream in some way. Even casually watching parts of the movie, I find that some dialog is completely missed by the original "subtitler". I like to "fix" my subs. (For instance, in THE MATRIX, when Trinity is trying to extract the tracking device from Neo at about 25 minutes into the movie, Neo says, "Oh, God, it hurts!" then "You mean that thing is real?!" Both of these were not put in the original subs.)

You must remember that the original subs are sync'ed to the original video track, and the subtitle timings will reflect the original. If you change anything, then these subs will no longer sync to your dialog, hense, the need to "reduce" the subs to their simplest form.

[Paradebh]

"You must remember that the original subs are sync'ed to the original video track, and the subtitle timings will reflect the original".

But if you don't change nothing?? That's my case. The mv2 are the same, without recompress. The only diference is: I want re-autoring with another menu.[/b]

[atlas]

"If you have 29.97 fps /NTSC / subtiltes when importing them into MaestroSBT you should ALWAYS set 29.97 for fps IN but 30.00 for fps OUT. Don't touch anything else and see how it works. "
Now works fine. I think it's a Maestro's bug

So, if it's work with this solution, we should try to convert the .son file to 30 fps.. I don't know which soft can do that..
And if we find a soft which can do that, we don't need to create a ssa file! We will be able to use the original BMP files.

[Paradebh]

No atlas, pick your ssa file (29,97fps), open it in "MaestroSBT" and do that (29,97 in and 30 out). SSA to SON in MastroSBT, not SON (MaestroSBT don't import SON files, only ssa). I know that make ssa files is a shit, but thats the only way to work for me.

[atlas]

yes i understand, but the good solution will be to NOT use maestroSTB.
But directly SubRip to DVDMAESTRO
Subrip can create a son file.
I know few soft which can open .SON file like "subitle workshop".
If subtitle workshop can convert 29.97 fps to 30 fps and save in .son format, you don't need anymore a ssa file and maestro STB no?

[Paradebh]

I think it is a bug in subrip.

[atlas]

Maybe.
I don't know really... Cause i don't understand all in NTSC dvd (23.976 fps, 29.97 fps, 30 fps, DROP frame, NON DROP frame......)


But i will try all of this tonight

[atlas]

Ok
So yesterday i have tried this method:
Pulldown project.mpv output-drop.m2v –prog_frames p –drop_frame true

And after that i have inport my subtitle and they were synchro
So this method works great