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  1. Член BJ_M's Avatar
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    International treaty will force 34 democracies to change copyright, IP laws


    A REPORT from civil liberties organisation IP Justice claims today that a proposed treaty that will affect the 34 democracies in the Western world will mean wide-ranging changes to domestic laws including intellectual property rights.
    The organisation said that a draft chapter in the FTTA treaty greatly expands criminal procedures and penalties against IP infringements in North America and the west.

    A clause of the treaty will mean that non commercial infringers of peer to peer files will be sent to prison. The IP Justice report says that unless "the second clause to article 4.1 is deleted from the FTAA treaty, Internet music swapping will be a felony throughout the Western Hemisphere in 2005".

    The treaty will also prevent people from bypassing technical restrictions on CDs and DVDs, in a way similar to the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

    The draft treaty, says IP Justice, also has new conditions for fair use and personal use which, the organisation claims, will stop consumers from backing up their media collections.
    The treaty will also make democracies change their copyright laws to force the term to extend to 70 years after an author dies. This extends the US copyright scheme to the 33 other democracies.

    The US Constitution, says IP Justice, forbids companies to copyright facts and scientific data, but this will be overridden by the treaty.

    Internet domain names will be decied by ICANN, which IP Justice describes as a "private and unaccountable organisation... ill equipped to determine the limits of freedom of expression rights or the scope of intellectual property rights".

    According to Robin Gross, the organisation's executive director, "The FTAA Treaty's IP chapter reads like a 'wish list' for RIAA, MPAA and Microsoft lobbyists".
    The treaty is due to go into effect by December 2005.


    read more about it here http://ipjustice.org/FTAA/whitepaper.shtml

    Top 10 Reasons to Delete the IP Chapter of the FTAA:

    1. Threatens to imprison millions of people for P2P filesharing of music
    2. Restrains trade and prevents competition
    3. Chills freedom of expression and scientific research
    4. Stifles innovation
    5. Undermines democracy and national sovereignty
    6. Outlaws bypassing restrictions on one's own property
    7. Limits personal use and fair use rights
    8. Permits copyrighting of facts and scientific data
    9. Threatens privacy and due procses rights
    10. Threatens to impose life + 70 copyright term on other nations




    Sign the Petition to Delete the IP Chapter of the FTAA Today!
    http://ipjustice.org/FTAA/petition.shtml
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    This has got to be a wind up mate. OK I can just about get my head around extending IP rights to 70 years (Disney must have sucked some serious hole for this), but copyrighting facts and scientific data. Man welcome to the dark ages.
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    Great user name! Why didn't I think of that???
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    Roundabout,

    I just signed the petition. I really thought BJ_M was having a laugh, but I don't think so.

    Mate any of those video nazis come round to my place are in for a shock, I'll set the ball and chain on them - she's a brutal little rotweiler.

    As for Ironballs, I think I heard it on Red Dwarf - Oh no copyright infringment!!!!!!!!!!
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  5. The lifetime + 70 IP is pure crap and everyone knows it. 20 years was (and still is) to long. This is just a way to try to protect the one golden egg that many companies possess. Will have to look into this nonsense some more, so thanks for the heads up...
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    Originally Posted by ironballs
    As for Ironballs, I think I heard it on Red Dwarf - Oh no copyright infringment!!!!!!!!!!
    Busted!!!
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    Roundabout,

    I just signed the petition. I really thought BJ_M was having a laugh, but I don't think so.

    Mate any of those video nazis come round to my place are in for a shock, I'll set the ball and chain on them - she's a brutal little rotweiler.

    As for Ironballs, I think I heard it on Red Dwarf - Oh no copyright infringment!!!!!!!!!!

    no -- its a serious and real thing -- but so wacko that it seems a sick joke ...
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    I think it will be safer to commit violent crimes. Time to start a new hobby.

    Now where did I put that knife....
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    @#$% EM ALL...they will never take me alive...i live in the caribbean and i do everything for free, wiyth no hassle, us small nations need to stay strong and dont sign onto this measure......FREE P2P..FREE DVD & MUSIC..FREE DVD JOHN...HOLLA BACK
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    Originally Posted by Roundabout
    Originally Posted by ironballs
    As for Ironballs, I think I heard it on Red Dwarf - Oh no copyright infringment!!!!!!!!!!
    Busted!!!
    We'll take up a collection and bring you some cigarettes to enjoy while rotting in jail for your oh so horrible crime.
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    Oh no, I just thought about something that is copyrighted material!! That must mean I formed a memory of it, and can recall it whenever I want!! Ahhhhhh!!!!! Are they going to come and throw me in jail now?!?!
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  12. I personally think the scariest thing about this legislation is being able to copyright facts and scientific data. So now the question is, if somebody decides to copyright the idea of gravitational pull...will I have have to pay some gravity fee for staying on the Earth's surface due to gravity for the rest of my life?
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  13. man,that aint gonna stop me from backing up anything.
    ill still do it,and so will millions of other users.
    there going to have to get the bedroom police to stop people.
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    No problem with that. If that legislation passes, the Earth will
    suck so bad that you will stick just fine.
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    I want to copyright H2-0 - then sue people when they use water
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    Ther is no gravity.

    The Earth sucks.
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    Originally Posted by j1d10t
    I want to copyright H2-0 - then sue people when they use water

    fat chance proving you invented it and created it in the first place -- though i'm sure some lawer would go for it ...

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    Remember Coach Riley (ex of the nba Miami heat/NY Knicks/LA lakers)
    He copyrighted the term "THREEPETE
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    All this crap just for more money for mpaa and riaa
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    Originally Posted by BJ_M
    Originally Posted by j1d10t
    I want to copyright H2-0 - then sue people when they use water

    fat chance proving you invented it and created it in the first place -- though i'm sure some lawer would go for it ...

    I'm sure there is a lawyer out there hungry enough to take the case :P And if I could somehow bring God into the case... It would be in court for years, and then fill a jury with 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty... I'm sure I could make a fortune
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    the american dream ........
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    Sci-Fi becomes reality.

    How many movies and/or books have there been about a future ruled more by BIG corporations than "real" government or "by the people"?

    As is the usually the case with Sci-Fi what was once Science Fiction is now (becomming) Science Fact.

    At least in the end we know that the machines will take over and more-or-less kill us all off.

    Unless we terraform Mars by then.

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    Originally Posted by BJ_M
    the american dream ........
    You better believe it
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    Originally Posted by FulciLives
    Sci-Fi becomes reality.

    How many movies and/or books have there been about a future ruled more by BIG corporations than "real" government or "by the people"?

    As is the usually the case with Sci-Fi what was once Science Fiction is now (becomming) Science Fact.
    I wonder if sci-fi writers could copyright all future (made up) technology used in their books, then when a scientist actually comes up with it, the writer already has the copyright? Because couldn't they copyright it as IP, describing what it does, and to some extent how it does it? I mean, how far-fetched can you get if you can copyright facts and scientific data? Can I copyright the fact that the Earth revolves around the sun? Or copyright the fact that water is 2 parts Hydrogen, one part Oxygen? Then whenever anyone mentions that it does, sue them for using copyrighted information?

    If so....... Should I start by suing 12 year olds? :P
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    Originally Posted by j1d10t
    Originally Posted by FulciLives
    Sci-Fi becomes reality.

    How many movies and/or books have there been about a future ruled more by BIG corporations than "real" government or "by the people"?

    As is the usually the case with Sci-Fi what was once Science Fiction is now (becomming) Science Fact.
    I wonder if sci-fi writers could copyright all future (made up) technology used in their books, then when a scientist actually comes up with it, the writer already has the copyright? Because couldn't they copyright it as IP, describing what it does, and to some extent how it does it? I mean, how far-fetched can you get if you can copyright facts and scientific data? Can I copyright the fact that the Earth revolves around the sun? Or copyright the fact that water is 2 parts Hydrogen, one part Oxygen? Then whenever anyone mentions that it does, sue them for using copyrighted information?

    If so....... Should I start by suing 12 year olds? :P
    Hello class and welcome to Science 101. Today we are going to learn that water is made up of two parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen. Unfortuantely we have used up the school's daily allotment of funds which has gone to the j1d10t corporation for allowing us to present this information to you.

    I would tell you now what we will be learning tomorrow but copyright law forbids me to tell you that until tomorrow when our "copyright window" is open for that subject matter.

    Thank you class. You may now read at your leisure for the rest of the day. If anyone is interested I have some pamphlets on "WATER, HYDROGEN, OXYGEN AND YOU" thanks to the kind folks at the j1d10t corporation

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    does this meen if i'm sitting in the joint, next a to convicted serial killer, and asked what i'm in for, do i hang my head and say for " serial downloads ".
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  27. Well at least you will not have to worry about spending too much time in the cell with the serial killer (because you have an MP3 in a shared folder) because the serial killer will probably get out before you.
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  28. This is not a good thing I think
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    I can't believe they'd even try this. I can't wait to vote
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    Quote "Well at least you will not have to worry about spending too much time in the cell with the serial killer (because you have an MP3 in a shared folder) because the serial killer will probably get out before you.
    CloudBurst, thanks for making me feel better.
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