Fit more than 650mb in a 650mb disk. Impossible on mac?

[cacahuet]

I'm trying to do all the process of conversion AVI files in XVCD in my PM 7300 G3, in order to play them on a home DVD player.

I encode with ffmpegx , and I'm trying to burn with Toast.

Ffmpegx 0.0.8d works perfect -the ffmpegx encoder-, and generate the mpeg1 files. I've problems to playback the "like it" in the DVD. I've solved it demuxing and muxing with Tmpgenc and it work. I'll think the 0.0.9 has correct this problem, and I supposed the main mpeg conversion can be done with the mac.

The burning on the mac is my main problem now. Let me explain.

When I do the cd-burn with Pc-Nero's, I can fit more information (mpeg file) that the 650MB limit of the disk I have to use (compatibility with the DVD player)

For example: A 680 mb mpeg1 file:

· Nero, in a non-standard videocd mode fits in a cdrw 650mb disk. Unit. USB Freecom CDRW
· Toast 6: The same 680 mb mpeg1 file does not fit in the same cdrw 650mb disk. Unit. SCSI Yamaha CDRW2260

I've read something to make a VCD image file with ffmpegx or vcdtoolsX 1.1. I tried it, but the vcd image has more kb and the toast does not ft it in the 650 Mb again.

I think it has to be possible, but cannot understand which is the way.

[AntnyMD]

Take the VCD image file from your XVCD MPEG-1 file. Doing this will probably make a .cue file and a .bin file. In Toast 5.2, click/hold Other, then select VCD. Drag the .bin file into the VCD window and burn. You'll fit up to 795mb onto an 80min/700mb CD-R.

In Toast 6 you can tell it to select the .cue file (or the .bin file) directly and burn. I forget the steps, I deleted Toast 6 after less than a week.

[cacahuet]

Thanks!

[ps2daddy]

if I am not mistaken .bin an .iso files define the block sizes slightly different so you are able to fit larger .bin files than .iso files onto a cd
I have gotten a 812MB .bin game image to fit on my 700MB CD using toast 5

[straifer]

Hey AntnyMD,

you said you killed Toast 6 shortly after it's debut because of the bin/cue issue? Or in regards to the "cramming" of lotsa data onto one(1) vcd? (Like one full 90 min movie) I've been using toast 6, (forced to make a movie into 2 vcds) but if you say toast 5 is more capable, whe-hell! That's good info to know!

[AntnyMD]

No no ... I blitzed Toast 6 because it wanted to re-encode everything whenever I'd go to make a VCD or SVCD, even when the streams were already compliant. I expected more/better from Roxio on this, I was very disappointed ... the re-encoding, no entrypoints, no CDDA support in VCDs ... Toast 6 is just Toast 5 w/Empty Promises wrapped in a new box.

[galactica]

of coarse an easy solution to all of this is to just use 700 meg cd-r's

do they even sell 650 meg cdr's anymore?

[ps2daddy]

if I am not mistaken .bin an .iso files define the block sizes slightly different so you are able to fit larger .bin files than .iso files onto a cd
I have gotten a 812MB .bin game image to fit on my 700MB CD using toast 5

.isos are 2048 bytes per sector.
.bins are 2352 bytes per sector.

So if you know the sector size you can calculate how large the .bin file will be and the .iso file will be

Info taken from the afterdawn forums

when you talk about images must think on SECTORS not on DATA SIZE.

The rules are:

1)A standard 74 min CD is made by 333,000 sectors.
2) Each sector is 2352 bytes big, and contains 2048 bytes of PC (MODE1)Data, 2336 bytes of PSX/VCD (MODE2) Data or 2352 bytes of AUDIO.
3) The difference between secor size and data content are the Headers info and the Error Correction Codes, that are big for Data (high precision required), small for VCD (standard for video) and none for audio.
4)If you extract data in RAW format (standard for creating images) you always extract 2352 bytes per sector, not 2048/2336/2352 bytes depending on data type (basically, you extract the whole sector).

This fact has two main consequences:

a) You can record data at very high speed (40x) without losing information, but if you try to do the same with PSX or Audio you get unredable CD (for PSX) od audio CD with lots of clicks because there are not error correction codes (and error are more likely to occur if you record at high speed.

b) On a 74 min CD you can fit very large RAW images,up to 333,000 x 2352 = 783,216,000 bytes (747 Mb). This should be the upper limit for a RAW image created from a 74 min CD. Remember that if you store standard data (backup files), you can burn only 333,000 x 2048 = 681,984,000 bytes (the well known 650 MB limit).

Please note that an image size is ALWAYS a multple of 2352 bytes (you extract SECTORS), if extracted in RAW mode.

[ZeroSix]

Galactica --

i was thinking the same thing. i havent seen a 650MB CD-R in YEARS.

[MikeBell]

No no ... I blitzed Toast 6 because it wanted to re-encode everything whenever I'd go to make a VCD or SVCD, even when the streams were already compliant. I expected more/better from Roxio on this, I was very disappointed ... the re-encoding, no entrypoints, no CDDA support in VCDs ... Toast 6 is just Toast 5 w/Empty Promises wrapped in a new box.

Exactly!!! Toast 6 sucks ass! I want my money back as well

[schwinn]

I agree despite the cheer leading by several people here Toast 6 sucks . I also would like my money back