How can you make an authored DVDR more compatible?

[rayban]

Hello! I have created a DVD using Studio 8 and have burned it using Nero onto DVDR (general purpose purple-colored discs). I picked UDF/ISO and 1.02 and did NOT relax any settings. I have also used the DVD Video setting in Nero V 5.5 to burn as well. Both attempts always play in my dvd player which I bought specifically so it can play DVDR and DVDRW. My older player (Toshiba dual disc player) just says DISC ERROR when I load the DVD.

I know not all players support DVDR but I have since tried to sell my authored DVD to customers who are NOT able to play them on their DVD players. Some just bought them within the last year or so. It plays on both of my cheap players I bought being Toshiba SD3900 ($79) and the LANDEL brand ($39) from Frys.

Now, is there something I can do to make my DVDR more compatible with older players or just more compatible? Since it works in my 2 new players ( I researched and made sure these 2 played DVDR and DVDRW), then is it that the other players just don't support these formats?

I also backed up a commercial DVD using Decrypter which played great on my 2 cheap players but it got the DISC ERROR on my older Toshiba player. Is this something that is a fact and have to live with it?

Is there something that I can do to make it readable on those players that can't read it? Am I doing something wrong?

Please advise. I need to reauthor/burn if I can make it more compatible. Thanks in advance.

[kv5]

Run the VIDEO_TS folder through INSTANT COPY (Only takes around 7 to 10 minutes) which will then generate an image file which IC will burn direct to DVDR.... Trust me on this one.... it really works.

Your completed DVDR will play on alot more players (Please dont ask me how it does what it does) FFWD at full speeds without frame freezing, moves back and forth to chapters much quicker.... Either way, its worth a try...... "Works for me.... and alot of other people I Know"

Paul (UK)

[dudeman316]

Run the VIDEO_TS folder through INSTANT COPY (Only takes around 7 to 10 minutes) which will then generate an image file which IC will burn direct to DVDR.... Trust me on this one.... it really works.

Your completed DVDR will play on alot more players (Please dont ask me how it does what it does) FFWD at full speeds without frame freezing, moves back and forth to chapters much quicker.... Either way, its worth a try...... "Works for me.... and alot of other people I Know"

Paul (UK)

Will this help me as well??
please see this post:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=183430

Also is there a guide for INSTANT COPY

[racer-x]

There are a lot of things that effect compatability. It is not easy to get 100% playability. I'm currently gettin 100%. I am the oficial video dude for my son's Baseball and Football teams. I distribute DVD copies of the games to parents. I've distibuted to over 75 different customers with no playback problems whatsoever. There may be other ways, but this is what really works:

1st, if you have a -R or a dual-format burner, just sell it! Get a +R that lets you change the bitsettings(like a Ricoh 5125 or 5140). When you burn the video in Nero, make sure you select DVD-ROM for the booktype.

You also need to make sure the dvd files are comliant. These are the methods I use, but your results may vary:

Video = Premiere > Mainconcept encoded @ 8000 kbps(CBR).
Audio = AC3 encoded with Beesweet @ 224 kbps.
DVD = Authored with DVD-Lab
Burn = Burned with Nero with DVD-ROM booktype.
Disks = Fujifilm or TDK DVD+R(witch ever is on sale)

Use what you want, but my methods work.

[dudeman316]

Where does one choose booktype in NERO??? Also I am using Shrink.

[Captain Satellite]

There are a lot of things that effect compatability. It is not easy to get 100% playability. I'm currently gettin 100%. I am the oficial video dude for my son's Baseball and Football teams. I distribute DVD copies of the games to parents. I've distibuted to over 75 different customers with no playback problems whatsoever. There may be other ways, but this is what really works:

1st, if you have a -R or a dual-format burner, just sell it! Get a +R that lets you change the bitsettings(like a Ricoh 5125 or 5140). When you burn the video in Nero, make sure you select DVD-ROM for the booktype.

You also need to make sure the dvd files are comliant. These are the methods I use, but your results may vary:

Video = Premiere > Mainconcept encoded @ 8000 kbps(CBR).
Audio = AC3 encoded with Beesweet @ 224 kbps.
DVD = Authored with DVD-Lab
Burn = Burned with Nero with DVD-ROM booktype.
Disks = Fujifilm or TDK DVD+R(witch ever is on sale)

Use what you want, but my methods work.

[lal]

dudeman316,

Check this guide http://www.dvdshrink.info/nero-video.php

It will tell you how to use DVD-Video but you will know how to select
DVD-ROM as well.

[lal]

racer-x,

I tried to use BeSweet to generate AC3 audio for my home video and
authored it with DVD-Lab (also tried tmpgenc dvd author) but
there is no audio in the resulting dvd. Burned with Nero.

Can you pls explain who you extract audio and convert it with BeSweet.
I followed a guide posted on this site on converting wav to ac3.

[Jester700]

The best way to make a recordable more compatible:

send it to a pressing plant and have a real DVD manufactured. You may have to pay a couple grand and get a minimum run of 500 or 1000, but they'll work!

[tompearson]

use stomp's RecordNow. I used Nero to burn DVD's but they won't play in many standalones. However a few friends advised on the net to use this, I have and have greater compatibility

Hope this helps

Tom

[dudeman316]

Lal thanks so much for the Guide I have figured it out. The DVD-ROM booktype worked. Now my next question:
I have the back to the future triology. I have successfully backed up the main movie files with mneus using DVD Shrink, but i however had to make the extras still images. IS there any way I can make a forth disk with nothing but extras? If so what programs would I need or could someone point me to a guide please. And thank you all for your replies & help.

[racer-x]

lal wrote:

I tried to use BeSweet to generate AC3 audio for my home video and
authored it with DVD-Lab (also tried tmpgenc dvd author) but
there is no audio in the resulting dvd. Burned with Nero.

Can you pls explain who you extract audio and convert it with BeSweet.
I followed a guide posted on this site on converting wav to ac3.

I don't extract anything, it's all my material.

I don't know what video editor and/or encoder you're using, but you need to output the MPG to seperate streams(M2V and PCM wav). You need compliant PCM wav @ 4800 mhz. You should use a good audio editor(like CoolEdit Pro) to check the PCM wav file. You can upsample it to 4800 mhz if you need to.

I use the guide on this site to convert the PCM to AC3 @ 224 kbps.

If you use DVD-Lab, you need to make sure that all audio is the same format. If you use AC3 on the video, then even the menu background Audio should be AC3.

I've never experienced Audio problems with my methods, so I can't help you any more than I have.

Good luck!

[jdizzy40]

And DVD-R will play on older sets while DVD+R will not.

[tompika]

And DVD-R will play on older sets while DVD+R will not.

The original poster has a minus writer so this is a bit off-topic but

my older DVD player that didn't play my -r discs but does play a +RW if the bit is set to tell it the disc is a DVD-Rom.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=683738#683738
While a DVD-R has better standalone compatibility than a "plain" DVD+R,
DVD+R(W) with DVD-ROM booktype on a good media is a never fail.
Ask any Ricoh(type) owner....

[Captain Satellite]

Can someone please explain how burning in DVD-ROM setting in NERO is different from just using NERO Express or the DVD writing tool I'm using in TMPGEnc Author? I followed the guide and used the DVD-ROM setting in my NERO program and it worked but what's the difference? Also, is the DVD-ROM method more compatible?

[tompika]

Can someone please explain how burning in DVD-ROM setting in NERO is different from just using NERO Express or the DVD writing tool I'm using in TMPGEnc Author? I followed the guide and used the DVD-ROM setting in my NERO program and it worked but what's the difference? Also, is the DVD-ROM method more compatible?

Nero's DVD-ROM compilation is not related to booktypes.
Only Ricoh and Benq type burners are capable of bitsetting

[Captain Satellite]

So, what would the difference be between using NERO Burning ROM or NERO Express, being able to customize settings? Does this afeect compatibility?

[tompika]

There's two ways to burn movies in Nero

1. DVD-ROM(UDF/ISO)
exact settings here http://dvdshrink.info/nero-udf-iso.php

2. DVD-Video
exact settings here http://dvdshrink.info/nero-video.php

Nero Express uses the DVD-Video settings and generates the folders automatically, its foolproof.

For me both methods work....

[Captain Satellite]

Thanks, Tom. In your opinion, will the Ricoh burner employing the methods described above, produce discs that are more compatible on a wider range of players? (Thanks for your patience) I believe the answer is yes if I'm reading your response correctly here:

"While a DVD-R has better standalone compatibility than a "plain" DVD+R,
DVD+R(W) with DVD-ROM booktype on a good media is a never fail.
Ask any Ricoh(type) owner...."

[Captain Satellite]

There's two ways to burn movies in Nero

1. DVD-ROM(UDF/ISO)
exact settings here http://dvdshrink.info/nero-udf-iso.php

2. DVD-Video
exact settings here http://dvdshrink.info/nero-video.php

Nero Express uses the DVD-Video settings and generates the folders automatically, its foolproof.

For me both methods work....

What is the difference in the finished DVD using these two different methods?

[tompika]

Only God knows ....

(because AHEAD Software AG does not )

[Phil Thomas]

@ rayban

Have you tried using Ritek disks ?

[lordsmurf]

Use a good player, use good discs, burn compliant DVD-Video.

DVD-R does not have any kind of "booktype" change. That being said, realize it does not make DVD-R inferior, but simply allows DVD+R to have a compatibility nearer or equal to that of DVD-R.

[tompika]

Use a good player, use good discs, burn compliant DVD-Video.

Correct.

DVD-R does not have any kind of "booktype" change.

Who said it does? I admit DVD-R doesn't need it

That being said, realize it does not make DVD-R inferior, but simply allows DVD+R to have a compatibility nearer or equal to that of DVD-R.

I'm questioning that.
Tell me about your personal experiences of testing different booktypes and their compatibility.


I just let you all know:
The new Nu-Tech 8xDVD+R, 4xDVD+RW burners write ROM booktype by default!
8xZ-CLV writing on 4xmedia.
And they are cheap!

[lordsmurf]

Tell me about your personal experiences of testing different booktypes and their compatibility.

Several dozen DVD+R and DVD+RW with varied booktypes. Problems on DVD-ROM DVD+R same as DVD-R with players used on. DVD+R DVD+R compat sucked. Only exception is an altered DVD-ROM DVD+R didn't work on one player, only took DVD+R DVD+R and DVD-R and DVD+RW and DVD-RW. Variations of burning done too. Was test conducted with assistance of willing friend, over period of several months. One player took nothing. One took only DVD+RW and DVD-RW, no -R or +R. One only took DVD-R. Every time I saw a new player, I tested. Had a stack of discs, labeled with what they were. Think at this point in time, I have one left, tossed most of them or gave them away. Did this earlier this year. I think I tested 20 or more players.

That good enough for you? I do test things. Neither one is better, booktype changes can help, but not always.

I know you'd like to think it made it 100%, but it's not. Sorry. I'd change it if I could and invest in DVD+R myself, but that's not the case.

I could break it down for you on paper someday, but right now, I've got better things to do. Just trust that I tested thoroughly, those are the results.

[tompika]

I could break it down for you on paper someday, but right now, I've got better things to do.

You are right, I would love to see it "on paper" with all the details.
I'm always interested in compatibility testings!
I guess this is the first time you mention this testing on dvdrhelp or lordsmurf.com
But I know you are very busy!

[tompika]

Just trust that I tested thoroughly , those are the results.

booktype does change this, but 100% is an exaggeration (at least on a large scale, your personal experience excluded). It may bring is closer to 90-95% (making the formats identical),
but tests have not been done as of yet
My personal experience shows a 99% compatibility using DVD-R, but that just means I've not found the 4-9 percent of players that hate DVD-R. Sounds like you're having the same good luck, Thayne.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=655401#655401


Oh yeah I do trust....

[lordsmurf]

You love to pick on me don't you? :P

Not done, as in final results (easy to read stat analysis) not finished. One or two discs done recently to cap off studies, most discs done in past months, stats worked out in scribble now. But nothing makes sense to anybody but me, reading my notes. So it's still not REALLY done. It's done, but its not. Are you following?

Takes time to move notes into final statistics.

But at the moment, I've got other projecst to complete. Calm down, things come out of me as I find time.

And even then, there's two more test I just came up with, so this is a living test to be honest, never going to be finished with all the possibilities. I'll attempt to make stats eventually, hopefully in a format that I can update, another problem to compound time on it.

[tompika]

Right. I think I can follow you now.

When you say "TESTS HAVE NOT BEEN DONE" that later means
"Not done, as in final results, so it's still not REALLY done. It's done, but its not."

Wait, I think I'm confused again just like when you say you "had no player refused the Nero created discs" but two weeks later you post a thread: you did not count your old APEX1100 because you considered as junk but now it reads the discs created by TMPGEnc's burning engine.

[lordsmurf]

Don't try to analyze words to much. We all have the right to reclarify as needed, and advice for all situations are based upon the information needed at the time. If I always included extraneous data, for the sake of avoiding potential argument, nothing would make sense.

The Apex case stands as it is (not considered a player by my terms of the argument due to reasons stated) and the DVD+R tests stands as a complexity unexplainable in detail at this time, only available in short summary. Take what I can give. If it's not enough, sorry. I'm sure if you dissect everything I ever written, you could make a lovely book of potential inconsistancies, typos, errors, conspiracies and a generally boring read. And I'm sure this goes both ways.

Do you also ask the doctor and dentist to explain so much? Wow. I can imagine you as the kid that sat and asked "why, why, why, why, why" without end. :P