Aspect Ratio 2.35:1 without the black bars.

[twinegar]

I can remove the black bars at the top and bottom on a 16:9 movie in TMPGEnc by setting the output to 16:9, clipping the top and bottom and setting it to Full Screen. If I try this with the 2.35:1 aspect ratio the picture is squeezed horizontally to 16:9. Is it beyond the capability of this encoder? Is there an add on filter to TMPGEnc that will allow me to set the output to 2.35:1. IFOEdit also lacks the ability to alter 16:9 to 2.35:1.

[FulciLives]

I can remove the black bars at the top and bottom on a 16:9 movie in TMPGEnc by setting the output to 16:9, clipping the top and bottom and setting it to Full Screen. If I try this with the 2.35:1 aspect ratio the picture is squeezed horizontally to 16:9. Is it beyond the capability of this encoder? Is there an add on filter to TMPGEnc that will allow me to set the output to 2.35:1. IFOEdit also lacks the ability to alter 16:9 to 2.35:1.

I think the problem is you don't understand aspect ratio very well.

A normal TV is 4:3 which is basically the same as saying 1.33:1

A widescreen TV is 16x9 which is basically the same as saying 1.77:1

A movie that is 2.35:1 will have MORE black below and above it on a 4:3 TV but less black below and above it on a 16x9 TV

But either way there will be black above and below the image.

The only way NOT to have black is to either blow the image up so it fits from top to bottom but this of course cuts off the sides OR you can stretch it to fit like the old westerns used to do on TV during the opening credits but that looks rather ridiculas too (makes everyone too tall and thin looking).

So unless you ALTER the aspect ratio of 2.35:1 you will have some black above and below the image ... even on a 16x9 TV

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Forum Troll]

Choose the 16x9 option in TMPGENC, and clip 60 pixels from the top and bottom, so that your size is 720x360. This will give you an anamorphic video, and preserve the aspect ratio. There will still be some black bars, but not as large as if you letterboxed the 2.35:1 in a 4x3 window.

[Gurm]

Guys,

I think he's trying to create barless AVI videos or something... not to create more DV for playback on ANY kind of TV.

Correct me if I'm wrong, original poster.

- Gurm

[FulciLives]

Choose the 16x9 option in TMPGENC, and clip 60 pixels from the top and bottom, so that your size is 720x360. This will give you an anamorphic video, and preserve the aspect ratio. There will still be some black bars, but not as large as if you letterboxed the 2.35:1 in a 4x3 window.

This is how you convert a 4:3 widescreen NTSC movie to a 16x9 widescreen NTSC movie but I don't think that is what the original post was about.

It sounds to me as if the original poster wants to somehow make a 2.35:1 widescreen film FILL UP the entire TV image ... sort of like FULL FRAME PAN & SCAN transfers.

It can be done but to do so would be idiotic as it would alter the Original Aspect Ratio.

That just doesn't make any sense.

Deal with the black bars. That's the way it SHOULD be.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Thunder In Paradise]

Nope, the bars are there because the aspect ratio of the movie doesn't fit the normal 4x3 TV screen size. The only way to drop them would be to size the movie up to 4x3, thereby destroying the movie (stupid PAN and SCAN!), or getting a widescreen TV.

[FulciLives]

Nope, the bars are there because the aspect ratio of the movie doesn't fit the normal 4x3 TV screen size. The only way to drop them would be to size the movie up to 4x3, thereby destroying the movie (stupid PAN and SCAN!), or getting a widescreen TV.

Even on a widescreen TV a movie with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 would still have black both above and below the image. A widescreen TV is only 16x9 or 1.77:1 (actually 1.7777777777 and so forth)

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[vhelp]

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yeah, as Fulci said.. all widescreens are 1.777, and that means NO
black bars on top/bottom !!

This means that the source is Crop(60pixTop x 60pixBot) = (720 x 360)
final video source. When you encode your video, assuming the following
under TMPG:
* Video: Size [720] x [480]
* Video: Aspect Ratio [16:9 Display]
* Advanced: Video arrange Method [full screen (keep aspect ratio)]

Your final encoded output video will be a 720 x 480 but w/ black bars on
top/bottom. BUT, when played in a STANDARD 1.777 (or 16:9) Widescreen
tv set, it will play (fill completely) the whole screen !!

Your problem is probably like this. You don't fully understand what WS format
is being used, and am assuming that when it says WS, it is suppose to FILL
the whole screen. But, actaully, you have to LOOK for evidense what the
actual aspect ratio is. And, the only way ou can obtain that info is by only
looking at the DVD box itself. It will usually tell you somewhere inside where
they talk about "special featues" or down at the bottom in tiny letters ie,
1.77 or 1.78 or 1.85 or 2.35 etc etc.

So. . .
* 1.777 ( or 1.77/1.78 ) will fill completely your ws tv set
* 1.85 will put slite black bars top/bottom
* 2.35 will put even more black bars top/bottom

The 2:35.1 compresses better in quality. I use this in my DV cam footage
converstion now, instead of the standard 16:9 that it (the cam) uses (which
by the way, fills the ws tv screen)

The above three format are the most common in use today. And, in my
experience, the 1:85 is the most common one of all (in dvd movies) w/ the
2:35.1 following a short second (though you may find some 1.77 out there
too)

So, if you're looking for that sources to FILL COMPLETELY your ws tv set,
then you have to make sure that it is TRUE 16x9 (aka, 1.777 or 1.77) but
also note (or factor in) that sometimes, they will say 16x9 enhanced
but could mean 1:85 or 2:35 as well, for that given movie.

Its my opinion though, that when they say "enhanced 16x9" or "16x9 enhanced"
that they are saying that they had to slightly add in some black bars to keep
the aspet w/ in a "reasonable" ratio for the norm in ws tv set of today.. but
that the original true source was probalby using an odd aspet ratio ie,
1.78 or 2.31 or some domb crap like that or the reverse.

-vhelp