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Several people have asked me if it is possible to keep the original menu of a DVD after certain sections of video have been cut out. I still haven't found an easy and acceptable way to do this. DVD Shrink makes it easy to do the reauthoring, but does anybody know an easy way to incorporate the original menu after the movie has been reauthored? I can't come up with a way using all the tools I have...
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Try CloneDVD. It let's you keep the original menu.
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No that won't work -- I am taking out sections of video while reauthoring, not just titlesets...DVD Shrink does the same thing as CloneDVD, only I think it is a much better program.
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There is a guide on this site that accomplishes keeping main movie and menus. It requires using DVD Shrink and DVD X Copy. It's a bit complicated, but it works. -
OK -- you don't know what I am saying here. I am taking sections out of the video with DVD Shrink. In doing so, you can't keep the menu (not a option when reauthoring w/DVD shrink). The VIDEO_TS.IFO file would not match up if you just copy and pasted it over the new one DVD Shrink creates -- VTS and VOB ID's will be off and messed up. X Copy will allow you to put in blank VTS's, but this is not what I am looking for. Anyway, hope this makes a little more sense...
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Maybe IFOedit is what you need.
Guides are listed below it.There's no place like 127.0.0.1
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Yo Jimmy!
chjohnnie is talking about a guide that uses both programs to keep the menu while reauthoring.
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175347You stop me again whilst I'm walking and I'll cut your fv<king Jacob's off. -
OK -- it appears that nobody knows what I am talking about...I must be very unclear in what I am trying to do. That guide is great for doing backups -- I use variants of it all the time. IFOEdit would probably do it, but you would need to correct like a million things...the real question here is why the reauthor mode in DVD Shrink won't allow you to keep the menu -- it is probably very complicated or something...Don't get me wrong, I think it is the best program out there for doing backups. The problem here is that when you do a reauthor, it makes its own VIDEO_TS.IFO which controls the menu...you can't just put the original one back in because it won't work. I think I am just getting more confusing here....
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I am guessing you want to create a DVD that has...Originally Posted by Jimmykicker
1... the MAIN MOVIE with bits and pieces edited out
2... the Orginal Menu
Uhm, it might be possible, but your menu system would not work properly. After editing the main movie, all your chaper start points would be off, so the the menu system might crash. You would have to do a lot of navigation relinking using IFOEDIT or some other program.
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Kelso --
Yes!! That is what I am trying to do -- I am trying to do it because friends want a backup copy of some of their DVDs that make the rating go from maybe an R to a PG-13 or something to that effect. I always just tell them I'll do it, but you can't have a menu. Would be nice to keep the menu though...exactly right, menu system does not work right and I don't know how to fix it all with IFOEdit. My best bet I guess is to see if DVD Shrink comes out with this option in the future... -
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I think your best bet is to do the following.Originally Posted by Jimmykicker
I would not use a program like DVDSHRINK to re-author a R rated movie into a PG-13 movie. That method will basically cut chunks out of your film, and it will work, but it will not be nice to watch.
I would actually strip out the movie and sound and re-edit it in an editor. This way you can cut scenes out frame accurately, fade in and out and fix any sound glitches....
When you are done editing, bring you finished video and audio back into a DVD authoring program.
Then you can use DVD-SHRINK to reauthor the MENU. It will lose all naviagation and just make it watchable. Strip out the video and cut it into the appropiate sections. It will take some work, but you can take those sections back into a DVD authoring program and re-make the menu and link it to the re-edited movie.
I have not done the menu part before, but I am sure it is possible.... after a lot of work....
I have actually done the re-ediiting part before. And it works really well. I took a 3 hour movie and re-edited it to make it 2 hours. It is so smooth to watch, you could never tell where the cuts are. My method to re-editing is as follows....
I used the following programs.
DVD-Decrypter
Ulead MediaStudio 7 Pro
TMPGENC
Adobe Premiere 6.0
BeSweet
Sonic Scenarist (not necessary - but if you know someone who owns a copy, ask them if you can use itt!!)
And a DVD authoring program of your choice
1..Make sure you have LOTS of free harddrive space. (NTFS format)
I'm talking LOTS !!!!! 200GB would be great.
2..Rip the DVD to your harddrive with DVD-Decrypter.
Use stream proccessing, and select only the video, and only one 5.1AC3 audio track.
(Use IFO mode. And set "file splitting" to NONE.)
You will end up with one large VOB file containing all of the movie.
3..Using TMPGENC... Demux the VOB file to a M2V video file and the 5.1 AC3 file.
4..Now you need to convet the M2V (Mpeg-2 video) file for editing.
I used Ulead MediaStudio 7 Pro. You can download a 30 day working trail for free. I am sure there are other programs that will do this job just as well. But I found the MediaStudio process very simple, and it handles bad and corrupt files extremely well.
Start the program. Under the "FILE" menu is a "CONVERT" option.
It will ask you for the source file. Load in the M2V file of the movie.
You then select what type of video you want to convert it to.
If you have tons of harddrive space... select "uncompressed" to keep the best quality.
If you are like regular people, select "HUFFY". The file size will still be big, but not outrageous like "uncompressed". (you can download the HUFFY codec off of the internet)
Give the new video file a name, and start the conversion process.
Sit back.. it will take a while.
You will end up with a really big AVI file.
5..Using BESWEET, convert the 5.1AC3 audio file into 6 PCM-WAV files. (48000 KHZ)
LEFT.wav
RIGHT.wav
CENTER.WAV
SUB.WAV
LEFT SURROUND.wav
RIGHT SURROUND.wav
6..Now for the editing.
I used Adobe Premiere 6.0
Start a new project, using the correct video codec setting to match your AVI file. Adjust the audio setting to match the wav files.(Remember each of the 6 wav files is 48000KHZ MONO... so set the project to mono)
Import the video file and 6 wav files.
Put the video on an editing track.
Put the each wav file on it's own track.
Edit accordingly.
If you cut a section of video out, cut the same section of audio on all 6 audio tracks as well.
If you just want to take out a bad word, you can just cut a hole into the CENTER channel audio. The rest of the audio tracks will still play and for the most part will cover the center channel how. (ie.. you will probably not notice a drop.. because the music and effects will still play in the other channels)
CAUTION.. remember what ever you do to the video, you must do the same to the audio. If you do not, you will lose sync.
7..After you are done editing.
select the entire project, with the yellow timeline ruler.
Enable only 1 audio track to play.
click the "EXPORT TIMELINE" / "AUDIO" to export the first channel of sound.
Remember to export as 48000KHZ MONO.
When done, turn off that channel and enable another.
Export that channel of audio.
Do this for all six channels, and you should end up with 6 new wav files on your hard dive. Remember to keep the names so you know what is what. (left, right, center, sub, left surround, right surround)
8..Export the video from the editor.
Remember to export with the same codec it started in... HUFFY, uncompressed, etc.....
9..Recompress the edited AVI video back to DVD-MPEG2-video.
I used TMPGENC. for a 2 hour video, make sure you use Variable bitrate to make sure it will fit on a DVD-R.
Tell the program to make you an "elementary video stream".
You will end up with a M2V file.
10..Now you need to take the 6 edited wav audio files, and convert them back to a 5.1AC3 audio file. There are many programs to do it. Each with it problems. Sonic Foundry's SOFT ENCODE is easy to use... but the sound quailty is not the best. I think BESWEET can do it, but haven't tried it.
If you can, use the AC3 Encoder built into Sonic Scenarist. It does a great job, and the recompressed AC3 file sounds very close to the orginal.
Make sure to set the bitrate for the AC3 file to 448... to preserve as much quailty as you can. (do not go higher, as it is not allowed in the DVD standard)
11..Now the video and audio are ready. You can load the M2V video and AC3 file into your DVD authoring software, and make your new DVD. -
Wow! That is a great guide Kelso!! You should post it as one. Thanks. Just a couple of questions. When you remux the ac3 and m2v files, how do you make sure that the audio is not out of sync? Usually when I edit wav files with Goldwave (insert a mute or something), but then I try and remux and find that the audio is out of sync. Second, how long does it take to export the video from Premiere? I've compiled things in Premiere before and it takes forever. Anyway, thanks for the info. I'll give it a try...
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Sync question-- Following my guide you should not have any sync issues. (At least I have never had) Since you are exporting both the video and audio from the same program (Premeire) there is no audio delay/offset to deal with. And when you re-encode the WAV files to an AC3 file just be sure to start the encoding with no delay. And since the DVD authoring program is doing the remuxing, things usually go very smoothly.Originally Posted by Jimmykicker
For your second question... how long does it take to export from Premiere? It can take a while. I actually frame-serve my projects out from Premiere directly into TMPGENC, to save on time and harddrive space. Depending on the options you select in TMPGENC your times can vary anywhere from a few hours to over 90 hours. I think my last job took about 18 hours total, and I was very happy with the results. The quality was excellent.(remember that is exporting and encoding to MPEG-2DVD at the same time) If I lowered the quality then it would have been faster.
You said you have done stuff in Premiere and it took forever.? Hmm. Just exporting from Premeire is usually pretty fast. The most I ever had to wait in the most WORST case was "real time". A 2 hour movie = 2 hour export. As long as you export with the same settings as the initial project settings, things should go pretty fast.
Thanks for the compliments on the guide. I might actually post it as a real guide, but I will have to go and make some screen schots first. Anyway, I hope the guide helps you. Good luck on your re-edit !! -
Kelso --
You method worked flawlessly...it's great. I just had one more question: is there any possible way to keep the original menu??? I mean, is there any program I can use to redo all the links and fix the IFO files? It would be fantastic if I could do this. While I am on the topic of menus, I have another question -- I am trying to put a 6.5 gig movie w/2.5 gig extras on another disc onto 2 DVD-5s. Problem is I don't want to put all the 6.5 gig on one disc -- I want to split is across 2 dics and just add in the extras on the second dics. I also want to keep both main menus (one from each disc). I asked this question about 6 months ago and nobody had a real answer for me. Is there any way to do this and keep the working structure of both menus? Any help would be appreciated... -
JimmyKicker,
There is another much simplier method but if you REALLY must have the ORIGINAL menu, then read no further.
Thus, if the original menus are not that important but only a method to navigate through the movie then it is possible to reauthor with DVDShrink import the resultant IFO/VOBs into DVD Author. DVDAuthor will generate chapter points (which can be adjusted to just about any place you like) and regenerate a complete new VIDEO_TS folder that can also be burned within DVDAuthor.
This process works quite well for me. However, as I mentioned above, if you absolutely have to have the original menu, then the above will not meet your needs.
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Thanks Ed -- use that method all the time and love it. I really must have the original menu in this case. Really, I just want to know if it is possible...
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I am glad my method worked for you.Originally Posted by Jimmykicker
As the re-linking the menu....Uhm. No, there is no way that I know of. Sorry. But like I said before, you might want to use DVDSHRINK in re-author mode. Select only the menus. This will make the menus into viewable mpegs (not functional menus.) Then take those mpegs cut them up, and redo the menus in your DVD-authoring program, with the movie you just re-edited. It should not take you very long to get it looking good.
It will never be the same, but you will have a good facsimile.
Depending on the size of the movie and extras, there are several ways. Here are two quick ways..While I am on the topic of menus, I have another question -- I am trying to put a 6.5 gig movie w/2.5 gig extras on another disc onto 2 DVD-5s. Problem is I don't want to put all the 6.5 gig on one disc -- I want to split is across 2 dics and just add in the extras on the second dics. I also want to keep both main menus (one from each disc). I asked this question about 6 months ago and nobody had a real answer for me. Is there any way to do this and keep the working structure of both menus? Any help would be appreciated...
One.. If you JUST want the movie and menu on disc one..... and extras and menu on disc two... The you can use DVDSHRINK and DVDXCOPY. Follow the guide I made....
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175347
Using the above guide you can also make a DVD with just the menu and extras.
Two.. If you don't mind surplus stuff floating on the disc somewhere...Use DVDSHRINK in normal backup mode.
For disc 1 - select all EXTRAS to "STILL PICTURES" for smallest size.
Compress the menu and movie if needed to fit on disc.
Burn away.
For disc 2 - select all MOVIE to "STILL PICTURES" for smallest size.
Burn away.
Of these two methods I would use #1. It will give you the cleanest and lest compressed results. (since the extras you are talking about are 2.5 GB big, you would not have to recompress anything if you used method #1)
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Thanks for all the info...you've come through again
I don't think I was clear enough the first time, so check this post out and maybe you'll get a better sense of what I am talking about:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167449&highlight=
It might be impossible or take forever right now, but you never know what people out there might come up with... -
Originally Posted by Jimmykicker
Okay. I read your oringial post, and it explains more. You actually have two DVDs.
One DVD 6.5Gb with the main movie.
One DVD 2.5GB with the extras
Both DVDs are from Harry Potter II.
Okay. lets get into it.
You want to split the movie across two DVD-Rs.
#A DVD-R filled with main movie.
#B DVD-R contains rest of movie + extras.
And you want the original menus on both DVD-Rs.
Problem. What menu do you want on the #2DVD-R? Do you want the Main Movie menu from disc #1 or the EXTRA FEATURES menu from disc #2? Either one you pick is gonna give you problems. If you choose to have the Movie menu, then you will not be able to access the extra features. If you choose to have the EXTRA features menu, then you will not be able to select movie options. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And there is no way to combine the menus.
Personally I would do the following. DVDSHRINK the disc #1.
Deselct any extra audio tracks & subtitles you don't need to save space.
Then compress the movie and menu just enough to fit on the disc.
(I have backed up Harry Potter II this way it was fine.)
Although I seem to remember disc #2 being more then 2.5GB.... Anyway, you can back it up to it's own disc also.
This is your quickest and easiest solution to your question.
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If you still want to do it your way, then the only way I can think of is....
It is not the best..... but like you said, until technology catches up, all we can do right now is make workarounds.
1.. Use DVDXCOPY to put the movie (disc#1) across 2 DVD-Rs. Don't actually burn them.... just place the files in temp folders on your harddrive. You can burn the first DVD-R if you want. But hold onto the second DVD-R files...
2.. RIP the extras (disc#2) to your harddrive into a folder.
3.. You need to place the VOB files from the second half of your movie into the folder you just ripped the extras to. So check out what the last VOB name is in the RIPPED directory, and rename the 2nd half of the movie files accordingly.
4.. Add the 2nd half of the movie into the RIPPED directory.
5.. Go into IFOEDIT, and load the IFO files from the RIPPED directory. Find the command that tells the DVD what to play BEFORE the menu. Change it to play the VOB files you just added that contain the 2nd half of the movie.
Now you have a disc, that when inserted will play the 2nd half of your main movie. When done, it will then play the menu for the EXTRA features. Sadly you do not have a menu for the movie part, and to watch the movie part again, you would have to eject the disc, and re-insert it.
As you can see this method would be kind of sucky.
I still think DVDSHRINKING disc#1 onto one DVD-R would be your best bet. The new v3.05Beta compresses really well.
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I'll have to give that method a try...I have tried a ton of things with no success. If all fails, I think I might just do the DVD Shrink thing with a deep scan. V3.05 wasn't out when I tried to do this last time. However, I know that I am going to have to compress this more than 30%. The most I have ever done is 28% on a deep scan. How do you think it will look on an HDTV projector? You've been a great help. Thanks again!!
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Quality on a HDTV projector.?? Hmm. No idea. Do a test on a DVD-RW, so you do not waste a DVD-R. If you do not like the quailty, then I would suggest just straight DVDXCOPYing the movie across 2 discs. I know you wanted to use only 2 DVD-R in total, and this way you will end up with 2 DVD-Rs for the movie and one DVD-R for the extras. But hey.... DVD-R media is like $1.50 a disc. An extra $1.50 to save the quality is a small price to pay. Just forgo a coffee at your local coffee shop for one day, and it is more then paid for. :)Originally Posted by Jimmykicker
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LOL...true enough...all this runaround to save like $1.50...I guess the idea of being able to do it on two disks is what I am really after -- It's just cool to see innovation sometimes. As for keeping the menu on an edited disc, I guess I'll just have to try and be innovative myself or wait for further developments....in all, you've been more help to me than anyone in these forums and I really appreciate itQuality on a HDTV projector.?? Hmm. No idea. Do a test on a DVD-RW, so you do not waste a DVD-R. If you do not like the quailty, then I would suggest just straight DVDXCOPYing the movie across 2 discs. I know you wanted to use only 2 DVD-R in total, and this way you will end up with 2 DVD-Rs for the movie and one DVD-R for the extras. But hey.... DVD-R media is like $1.50 a disc. An extra $1.50 to save the quality is a small price to pay. Just forgo a coffee at your local coffee shop for one day, and it is more then paid for.
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Thank you for the nice comment.....in all, you've been more help to me than anyone in these forums and I really appreciate it
I was glad I could help you with your problem. Happy DVD'ing !!
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@ Kelso
I don't post much, I mostly just lurk, but I must say......way to go bro. It is so kool to see a guy goto the trouble u did to help a fellow forum member out. Keep up the good work!!!!!sFX WE -
I am not sure this will work, but this sounds the easiest way to me.
Follow this guide here to rebuild your DVD. Steps 5 and 6 are the main ones.
http://www.doom9.org/mpg/ifoedit-basic.htm
You would demux the video out of the VOBs using VOBEDIT. Then you would edit out the parts of the movie you don't want in your favorite mpeg2 editor.
You would then follow the guide to remux your edited movie back in to the DVD without losing the menus. It should not take that long. Then when that is finished, you would run DVDShrink on the DVD you just edited to shrink it to a 4.7GB DVD-+R.
I tried this once myself, and it seemed to work. Maybe I got lucky with the DVD I was using. I don't remember which one it was, as it was many many DVDs ago. -
Hmmmm...it seems like I tried that before, but maybe not...I'll give it a try and see what happens. It seems like I remember having a bunch of sync issues and the menu didn't work exactly right...I can't remember. We'll see...
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Like I said, I got lucky. If you read this post, it can't be done easily.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63880
"4) I kind of recall that when DVDR just started out, there was a way of just encoding the MPEG2 file, and remuxing it back to the original authored DVD. Why don't we use that?
That solution is perfect in concept, but fails misserably when being performed. In order to mux a MPEG2 file back to the original authored DVD it has to match the original. This means that it has to be of the exact same GOP structure, timecodes, locations of I,B,P frames, and FRAME TYPES (progressive/interlaced).
5) Why does it have to match the original? What difference does it make?
The IFO file of the original authored DVD contains many pinpoints and properties of the original M2V file. These pinpoints and properties indicate and affect the syncing of the audio, subtitles, chapters, scenes, and many other variables especially in Infinifilm and other menu-driven features.
6) Okay, let's do that! What's the problem?
ReMPEG2 is the only encoder that could make this work, as it used to read the original M2V file and encode a new file at a lower bitrate that matched the source in every aspect. The problem with that was the poor (and unacceptable) quality." -
Someday soon we may be able to though:
11) Okay, so we obviously can't use remuxing as well. What is the way to go?
Who said remuxing isn't the way to go? it IS! just not the way it was grasped by people until now. We always assumed that we have to make an M2V file that will match the original. That assumption is again, false. We need to have the IFO adjusted to match the new M2V file, and not vice-versa. You have to analyze the new M2V and compensate for the differences. this is the ONLY way of to make a perfect DVD9->DVD5 conversion that will ALWAYS work, be 100% compatible, fast and efficient, and as a bonus, won't even require the sacrifice of alot of free space for the process.
12) Don't we need the official DVD-Specs to be able to compensate for the differences between the M2V files in the IFO?
No. This is a common error. As of today (to the best of my knowledge or what I had researched), we have the knowledge to change EVERY SINGLE THING within an IFO file. We are just not sure of what needs to be changed, and how to 'translate' the analyzed M2V file into data that needs to be placed in the IFO. Once we accomplish that a simple front-end program which can be done by Eyes`Only (already talked to him) will be able to give you a complete solution for DVD backup, while maintaining the highest quality and highest compatibility, with minimal space requirements, minimal error margins, and most importantly, minimal effort. -
Thanks for that info -- it is some interesting stuff. I AM waiting for that program to come out that modifies the IFO file with a few clicks -- it would be nice. DVD Shrink seems like a good canidate, but we'll see. On a separate note, it is obvious that DVD Shrink reduces quality (as stated in the Q&A), but can you even tell the difference? I can't even tell (up to like 15%) on an HDTV projector that is on like a 120" screen.
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