Why does the Dazzle DVC II Sample Have

[disturbed1]

Thanks.
I would love to see a straight DVD to a standard VCD cap from a DVCII, if looks great, maybe they're be no need to rip DVD's any more. Still got those pesky VHS tapes though. I've only done, and seen VHS 2 a standard VCD with a DVCII. I'm getting ready to work on the Metallica clip now, I'll cap this one @ 320x480 1800K/S.

The DVD clip was encoded with all default settings, no high quality search, soften block noise may of been on, I forgot to check. There isn't any way a hardware encoder could come close to software with the same bitrate and resolution, so I kept everything default. The Metallica won't have any custom settings at all, all default. I just U/L the MPG, so it should up in a sec.

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[SHS]

Sorry bud but it didn't pass
http://www.geocities.com/shs_3dfx/images/disturbed1.jpg
Anyway I be back later to today damm this not a good day
Over it look good

[monster]

Come and get it! I ran home home, connected my svideo cable to the DVC II and pressed record. I didn't have long enough audio cables so no audio . I'm not worried though, the audio is not the issue, right? Anyway I left everything on defaults. I'm sure with some teaking it might get better, but I think everyone wants to see the DVC II capture with raw default settings, right?

DVD Clips:
ftp://24.9.52.241/dazzle/clips/dvd


VCR Clips:
ftp://24.9.52.241/dazzle/clips/vcr

BTW: I captured the DVD clips in 15 second intervals instead of 30 seconds this time (save download times).

[disturbed1]

WOW!

Your really analyzing the errors from TMPGenc's resize, fit to aspect ratio 2. All I see (zoomed in at 12 x) is a line that runs atop the border that my radio shack box (2 S-Video, 2 Composite, and 2 coax in and out) displays when ever I output through it. You ought to see it wave on my trinitron TV. I could of cropped it out, but that would have stretched the image. Glad I did the VHS cap with a direct input. UH OH :roll zoomed in at 6x, I see square pixels. Oh wait, I'm looking at this zoomed in full screen on a monitor because I didn't bother to burn it to a CDRW and watch on the TV, my fault. What ever!
That's right VCD only has an output of 250 scan lines, SVCD only has 350 scan lines, VHS is 240 SVHS is 400 and DVD is 500 through the S-Video. I believe anything with that low of a resolution would look like crap on a monitor.



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[disturbed1]

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Looks pretty good:0 for hardware. Be carefull, you've got a line across the top like my file did, must mean you didn't pass either.

A little color correction, and maybe lower the sharpness to help cut down on some blocks, you'll have a really great DVD rip.

Like I said before though, if you're wanting to copy store bought VHS tapes or DVD's the Dazzle may be good enough, but I'm still more impressed with the MJPEG to MPEG VHS conversion, I like quality more than quanity. Granted you could capture really high quality MPEG2 than re-encode, but that kind defeats the purpose of having an MPGEG card, plus the price difference.

Hands down, I'd say that dazzle clip you just did knocks the socs off the WINTV PVR. Hope you can get better use out of it than I did. Looks like a good DVD coppier.
One question for you though, did it meet your expectations?
If it did great, me, I'm always looking for something better.

[monster]

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On 2001-07-10 14:33:37, disturbed1 wrote:
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Looks pretty good:0 for hardware. Be carefull, you've got a line across the top like my file did, must mean you didn't pass either.

A little color correction, and maybe lower the sharpness to help cut down on some blocks, you'll have a really great DVD rip.

Like I said before though, if you're wanting to copy store bought VHS tapes or DVD's the Dazzle may be good enough, but I'm still more impressed with the MJPEG to MPEG VHS conversion, I like quality more than quanity. Granted you could capture really high quality MPEG2 than re-encode, but that kind defeats the purpose of having an MPGEG card, plus the price difference.

Hands down, I'd say that dazzle clip you just did knocks the socs off the WINTV PVR. Hope you can get better use out of it than I did. Looks like a good DVD coppier.
One question for you though, did it meet your expectations?
If it did great, me, I'm always looking for something better.
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Lines? I must have missed that. Anyway, all the clips I did, both VCR and DVD, were straight from the DVC II with no other software intervention. Happy? Well so far I'm pretty happy. I want to play with it a lot more though. I really have had it that long or done that much with it. My original intent was to copy old VHS home movies and preserve them to CD.

[pixel-cacher]

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The card use's hardware compression, using a better OS wouldn't have any effects on quality of the capture. In WINME I only use 4% cpu at max size and bit rate. If you only have 2K or NT, this a big down fall, but many people do dual boot from lack of compatibilty in these OS's which why I dual boot.

The DC10+ has met my standard for $70 + time to encode, anyway you look at it, that's better than $275 + time to encode.
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disturbed1, do I understand correctly that your $70 card captures while taking (almost) all the load off the cpu? What cpu is in your system or does it matter? Maybe the hard disk speed is more critical than the cpu for your set up. I have only a P233 and am looking for a way to get VHS tapes to VCD with no noticeable quality hit. I have ide 5200 rpm maxtor hard disks.

Thanks for the info.

[disturbed1]

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On 2001-07-10 19:23:08, pixel-cacher wrote:
Maybe the hard disk speed is more critical than the cpu for your set up. I have only a P233 and am looking for a way to get VHS tapes to VCD with no noticeable quality hit. I have ide 5200 rpm maxtor hard disks.
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I use a Duron 850, my drives bench at 23,400K/s (almost 24 megs a second with a 1000 MB test file). They happen to be Maxtor 5400 rpm ata 100 non raid drives. The drive speed needs to pretty fast maybe 12MB/s or so, the DC10+ caps upto ~6MB/s MJPEG.

Your P233 fits the min. requirements for the DC10+, I really don't think you'd be able to cap @ full size/rate. The standard VHS setting still give great quality though. I only capture 640x480 6,000KB/s for important stuff, I usually use the SVHS setting (608x464 @ 3000KB/s).

With that slow of a CPU, your encoding time to MPEG would take forever. You'll also need tons of space to capture, a 4GB drive will hold about 34 minutes (304x464 1800 KB/s VHS setting). If you don't mind these short comings check out the review on this site for more info http://www.vcdhelp.com/reviews/dc10/dc10peng.htm

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[SHS]

Sorry I couldn't to guys a lot soon have ever had one thoses day at doctor and nothing gose rigth 2 trip & still send home I wented kick his butt so bad for making me wiat hours "10hour" on end ahhhhhhhh.
Why don't you do real full screen capture not this 16x9.
monster your VCD look ok but SVCD has lot algorithm artifacts not only it kind of hard tell win useing a dark movie like Xmen.

[monster]

Well sorry SHS about the 16x9. I was in a rush (ran home from lunch, borrowed a long svideo cable, and made the captures). The dvd I own is the widescreen edition of X-men. The reason I used X-men was because disturbed1 posted a clip. I wanted to give people somewhat of a comparison of the two.

[SHS]

monster if you can plase make full size & one req I like see cartoon capture VCD full size.
I know your useing the very latest drv so I like to see the diff.
You have under stand at the time I got the card last yrs 11/2000 it real did look VCR capture even know I was useing S-Video the drv suck so bad and didn't help win Dazzel never return my phone call's nor any email's that real piss me off even more.
That ok monster that why I'am for ask for non 16x9 capture.

[monster]

Ok SHS, I think I understand what you are asking.

You want:
1) A clip of a cartoon (what source, tv, vcr, dvd?)
2) What type, vcd template, svcd template, etc...?
3) How long of a clip?

[SHS]

1)S-Video if runing cable box if not RCA will do (Off TV).
2)vcd template.
3)15 to 30sec is good.

[monster]

Ok I'll work on that. I'll capture straight from the tuner of my VCR with RCA (composite) connections

[SHS]

thank monster really look forward to seeing it.

[monster]

Ok...

ftp://24.9.52.241/dazzle/clips/tv