Best MPeg2 editor

[Raylyns]

Can anyone tell me the best MPeg2 editor on the market please. I dont want the easiest to use I want the best . Thanks.

[mats.hogberg]

Mpeg is not a format intended for editing.

/Mats

[Gees]

"Best" means nothing except to you. :c) Depends on what your criteria is.
Best to one could mean feature-rich, to another, ease of use and a pretty interface. Or quality vs. speed. Lots of people here, lots of opinions. That may or may not help you narrow your choices.

Have you checked in the TOOLS database on this site yet? Go there and then Advanced Editors and you can see what's available and read comments other owners have posted there, along with prices, features and links right to the product pages.

All that info in one place may help to make a choice based on your needs, not others'.

Happy hunting.

[The village idiot]

I am trying a demo now that might work fairly well. Try EditStudio and the mpegXS encoder. You need both for the editing. I've got a mpeg2 from my Pinnacle Bungee going right now, hopefully this will work the way I want it too.

[Nelson37]

The easiest to use (VdubMod) won't output MPEG, only frameserve for re-encode.

The easiest and cheapest that outputs Mpeg (TMPGenc) isn't frame-accurate.

The most frame-accurate (M2-EditPro) has a terrible interface and won't handle IVTC'd files.

Many like Womble but I had no success with it.

Without further parameters, your question is difficult to answer.

[FOO]

Hey Nelson
What does womble do wrong for you. Just curious
I have never seen it miss on my ATI mpeg2 interlaced Tuner captures.
NTSC Film , however gets a A/V sync offset at every joint.

[Specialist]

Can anyone tell me the best MPeg2 editor on the market please. I dont want the easiest to use I want the best . Thanks.

Depends entirely on your budget.

Pinnacle markets the high-end LIQUID SILVER product, which is a native MPEG-2 editor described at the following link...

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage.asp?Product_ID=492&Langue_ID=7

In the sub-$500 price range, you can edit MPEG-2 with Ulead's MediaStudio Pro 7.0 described at the following link...

http://www.ulead.com/msp/features03.htm

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

[BJ_M]

both of the above products re-render the mpeg don't they ?

vitec dvdtool box pro works the best ive seen .. and doesnt re-render .. it also can cut ac3streams and has a few other tools with it ..

a lot of people say womble works good for them --i tried it some time ago and had problems ..

[BJ_M]

LIQUID SILVER also is for I frame only editing i believe .. or IPPP at the least ..

[FOO]

Any frame accurate MPEG2 editor HAS to re-encode
at least part of one GOP.
I tried VS7 and if you are careful with matching in and out settings
it won't re-encode all of it. However I was trying to edit NTSC Film
and it screwed up the A/V sync.
I think I tried MS7 too , but was unable to make it happy enough
to avoid encoding the whole thing.

Shrink keeps the sync OK in NTSC Film but ..
1.Very tedious for multiple edits.
2. Not frame accurate

[BJ_M]

yes -- they all re-encode an I frame at the split -- i meant re-encode the whole darn thing .. which as FOO points out -- most of them do ..

[FOO]

That's why womble is amazing. I generated a bunch of
video with the frame numbers on them with Avisynth just
to test all these editors. Encoded with 15 in a gop and edited
one at deliberately odd places , and it did it right.

[mnkyboy]

Im trying to remove commercials from a SVCD file using the method found on lordsmurfs guide (http://lordsmurf.com/), but the audio/video keep going out of sync. Ive tried a number of times without any luck. What could I possibly be doing wrong?

I did find a program that work almost like womble mpeg2vcr, but it uses windowsmediaplayer as the video player in the program. The program is called nanopeg Editor. It is very slow when moving through the frames in the video, but it produces a synced file in the end.

If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

[FOO]

Why on earth would someone make an SVCD with commercials in it ?
I don't understand the question , If NanoPeg works , what's the problem ?

[The village idiot]

My suggestion with link is posted above.

[FOO]

Doesn't that require an encode ?

[The village idiot]

I haven't tested it enough yet to know. All my source is CBR, and I normally want my final to be VBR, I did a few of those and they look just as good as the original CBR file. No glitches at the edits, or sync problems. BTW the VBR is CQ not multi pass, but it still makes very small files and is very fast. Based on the MainConcept engine. I do however still need to buy the upgrade, right now I'm on the demo for the editor, and the mpegXS pluggin is good with my old registration. I like it. It is easy to learn and covers all the basic things you need a editor for, no real 3D engines yet, but they made room for companies to hook into the interface. I think the mpeg output is just fine, and now allows for oddball sizes too. Before it would not let you do 352x480 and mux the stream for any kind of disk output, now no problems.

[mnkyboy]

Why on earth would someone make an SVCD with commercials in it ?
I don't understand the question , If NanoPeg works , what's the problem ?

Why not make the file SVCD? I am capturing tv shows with my Winfast PVR. SVCD is better quality, thats why im using it.

As for the question, its Why are my files getting out of sync with the audio/video when using mpeg2vcr? Like I said before, Nanopeg uses WindowsMediaPlayer to go thru the file, so its VERY slow.

mpeg2vcr is very fast, and easy to use. So here is my question, What do I do to prevent the audio/video to go out-of-sync?

[FOO]

My question was why would you not get rid of the
commercials before you made the SVCD .

and the other answer is I don't know. Tell us all the settings

and the player probably has nothing to do with it.

[mnkyboy]

[quote="FOO"]My question was why would you not get rid of the
commercials before you made the SVCD .
[quote]

What do you mean before I made the SVCD? I capture video as SVCD format. If I do it a uncompressed AVI, I would have to buy another harddrive just to record on.

[Nelson37]

FOO - it has been quite a while but as I recall Womble just kept crashing. Got M2-Edit figured out so I didn't spend much time on it.

When I cap with commercials included I turn off the real-time IVTC and either cut with TMPGenc or M2. For uncut movies I turn on IVTC and trim with TMPGenc, with minor issues. Lately I have been remuxing the file with sound converted to AC-3 and using the TRIM function in Sonic MyDVD, which works well, though the interface is not ideal. I have not made multiple cuts with this.

Most of my after-edit synch issues went away with MMC 8.1, or perhaps with the change to DVD MPEG-2 capture. The padding file is still present but has no significant size.

[BJ_M]

m2 edit pro is 1500$ and i don't think it handles VBR (maybe it does now) .. its also written in that crazy java gui .... though it certainly has some nice features ...

[haloblack]

What do you mean before I made the SVCD? I capture video as SVCD format. If I do it a uncompressed AVI, I would have to buy another harddrive just to record on.

There's your answer.

No, seriously.

If you're planning on hanging around here and doing much capturing, you're going to learn a lot - and quickly! The first thing you'll learn is that capturing as AVI is the best way 99.9% of the time - and that goes double if you're planning to do any editing. At first it confused me too, but once you read up on the way mpg compression works (hint: keyframes) you'll see why AVI is best. You really save yourself a lot of headache going from avi -> encode -> burn. The second (third?) thing you'll learn is that a separate capture drive makes life much easier. Fewer dropped frames, easier defragging, many reasons. Have you priced drives lately? You can regularly get 100 gig drives for under $100 if you read the Sunday sale papers. Save your beer money for a couple of weeks - you'll be happy you did.

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[FOO]

My confusion was evidently about terminology. I
don't consider SVCD the same as 480x480 MPEG2 .
I thought someone was actually authoring an SVCD
with commercials. I understand why you would record
in MPEG2

[mnkyboy]

My confusion was evidently about terminology. I
don't consider SVCD the same as 480x480 MPEG2 .
I thought someone was actually authoring an SVCD
with commercials. I understand why you would record
in MPEG2

Ahh! Ok, sorry for the confusion. I am capturing in MPEG2 format. While the previous poster is indeed correct about capturing to AVI for editing purposes, I dont burn 'most' of the files I capture. The main reason I want to delete the commercials, is so I can watch it commercial free, then delete it if I dont want to keep it. Like I said, I keep some files, maybe 1% of what I capture.

I still would like to figure out how to edit a mpeg2 file with mpeg-vcr without having audio/video out of sync. Mpeg-vcr is extremely fast, as far as cutting commercials out (compared to nanopeg). As far as OPTIONS in mpeg-vcr, everything is on default, not to many options anyway.

So if anyone has any suggestions, please post them. Thanks.

[FOO]

I capture mpeg2 all the time and never have problems with
MPEG2VCR. I almost always have problems with any MPEG2
with Soft pulldown.
I am working on a solution. One of the other problems is
incorrect timestamps. .

[The village idiot]

BTW Editstudio does re-encode always