DVD+R 9 and "MAYBE" DVD-R 9 To be out in 2004

[WildParadise]

According to this news http://www.hardware.fr/news/lire/03-10-2003/ which is in french, Phillips will sell the writers and verbatim the medias for 8.5 gig dvd+r 9. Pionneer said they would do the same but nothing is sure..

[Faustus]

My understanding was that a tech for dual layter +R was developed but the guys who made is (Phillip?) said it would not likely actually ever be released to the public. And in that time Pioneer has claimed to have such a drive in the workings also, but seems to have intentions of releasing it eventually.

[WildParadise]

well, hardware.fr is always based on news so if you check on phillips and verbatim website (generally in japansese) you'll find the official news. I know french and that what it means Philips is a big electronic company http://www.philips.com/InformationCenter/Global/FHomepage.asp?lNodeId=13&lArticleId= and that they will present it in a computer show called CEATEC Japan

[kirpen]

http://www.dvdrw.com/press/duallayer.htm

New dual-layer DVD+R technology developed by Philips in cooperation with MKM increases DVD recordable capacity to 8.5 Gbytes

Philips will demonstrate its new dual-layer DVD recordable technology at the DVD+RW Alliance booth at the CEATEC* JAPAN 2003 exhibition in Makuhari (Chiba, Japan) from October 7 to 11. Developed by Philips Research in cooperation with MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media)/Verbatim, the technology virtually doubles data storage capacity on DVD recordable discs from 4.7 Gbyte to 8.5 Gbyte while remaining compatible with existing DVD Video players and DVD-ROM drives.



Both Philips and MKM regard the introduction of dual-layer DVD+R technology as the next important milestone in the drive to continually improve and expand the optical data storage options available to consumers. Users will benefit from the additional storage capacity of the DVD+R disc as it will enable them to record 4 hours of DVD-quality video or 16 hours of VHS-quality video, without the need to turn over the disc. PC users will be able to archive up to 8.5 Gbytes of computer files on a single disc, which almost doubles the storage capacity compared with the 4.7Gbytes for the single-layer DVD+R discs currently available.

The dual-layer DVD+R system uses two thin embedded organic dye films for data storage separated by a spacer layer (see figure). Heating with a focused laser beam irreversibly modifies the physical and chemical structure of each layer such that the modified areas have different optical properties to those of their unmodified surroundings. This causes a variation in reflectivity as the disc rotates to provide a read-out signal as with commercially pressed read-only discs.

Initial investigations were started by Philips Research around 2 years ago at a time when there was general scepticism throughout the optical storage industry that compatible dual-layer DVD recordable would ever be possible. Developments since then, initially by Philips and later in cooperation with media manufacturer MKM, have dispelled this scepticism and the new dual-layer DVD+R technology is now fully endorsed by the DVD+RW Alliance.

“Very soon after the initial developments by Philips, MKM recognized the potential of this new technology and contributed its media expertise to help drive the technology forward,” says Dr Yoshimitsu Kobayashi, CEO of Mitsubishi Kagaku Media. “The technology is in line with the strategy of the DVD+RW Alliance which is currently active in finalizing the new format to bring backward-compatible dual-layer DVD recording to the consumer.”

A major challenge during development was to maintain compatibility with the DVD-ROM standard to ensure that the new dual-layer discs would be playable on commercially available DVD players. “Compatibility with the installed base of DVD Video players was the key factor in our research for a dual-layer DVD+R disc,” explains Dr Frans Greidanus, Senior Vice President of Philips Research. “Although dual-layer concepts have been proposed before, our team here at Philips Research was the first to be able to record on both layers of the dual layer DVD+R disc and play it back in a standard DVD video player.”

Compatibility has been achieved through the use of a thin silver-alloy as reflector material in the upper layer giving a reflectivity from the layer of at least 18% in compliance with the dual-layer DVD-ROM standard. In addition, the transmission of the upper recording layer is greater than 50% to allow for read-out and recording of the lower recording layer. This layer has high power sensitivity since the upper layer absorbs and reflects part of the incoming light. It also has a much higher reflectivity (> 50%) which after double transmission through the upper layer also results in an apparent layer reflectivity (at the disc surface) of at least 18%. These high transmission and reflectivity values have been achieved through careful optimization of the dye material and deposition, groove shapes and silver deposition. In addition to optimizing reflectivity, other parameters such as signal amplitude and tracking signals were also optimized to ensure full compatibility with current DVD standards.

The DVD+RW Alliance is setting an aggressive feature and performance roadmap, and the dual-layer DVD+R format book is expected to be ready within this year. Recorders for both the PC and consumer electronics markets are expected to become available during the course of 2004.

[mysticgohan17]

this is great, even the logo looks cool

[Maverick-DBZ-]

WOW that's assome news! No more 2 DVD backups for me. 8)

[lordsmurf]

What amazes me is how people can be so concerned with something like this. Sure, it's neat and all, but why so much hype? With all the messages being posted on dual-layer burnable DVD media, you'd think it was a cure for cancer or a manned spaceflight to Mars.

Calm down, people. Use what you have. If and when new stuff comes out, then worry about it. It's just a disc.

So much speculation and questions of "what should I buy" and the thing is still in R&D phases. And again, new bait for format wars, especially for those not reading dual layer info from both camps.

Simply amazing. There's several post per day on this.

[Faceman101]

LORD SMURF HAS SPOKEN!

Let people get excited, who cares. It's their hobby and they enjoy new and exciting news. If this product delivers what it claims, bye bye DVD-Rs.

Happens.