The RIAA Chronicles...Continued

[falken]

Buying used Cds takes the buck out of the RIAAs pocket and will get our message across without denying ourselves music. Do it now!

While it is true that will help more than buying new you can't say it doesn't fund the RIAA. Many people selling used CDs result in them purhcasing NEW CDs with the funds from the used ones.
If you didn't buy the used ones, the record stores would stop buying used ones from people, hence the customer wouldn't have the excess money to spend on new CDs. (eg, "Hey, I can trade in these 3 old CD's and grab the newest ***** CD").

[gmatov]

Falken,

Point taken..

And, further, what the hell does "You don't have to deny yourself music" mean

Everybody seems to have 900 CDs. Do you just collect them to have them To show support for the "Star of the Day"?

You can't listen to the whole CD, 1/2 hour to an hour, you have to change every time "your" favorite tune is done, to go to the next CD to hear the next "favorite" tune.

I said before, a boycott would not work because "we" simply have to have the "latest" re-rendition of the song we bought last week "Listen close, you can hear that he hiccupped in this recording"

Cheers,

George

[energy80s]

Has anyone noticed that kazaa has started to become flooded with 1000s of fake mp3s. I think it could be the RIAA that are doing this to make downloaders get frustrated with downloading songs that don't work and give up and just go and buy the CD instead

Yes, I noticed this the other night when I was downloading that new Elvis Rubberneckin' song - took three attempts before I got a clean copy of it. It's getting so that you can't make a dishonest living anymore!!

[harrymj3]

SHEEP NOOOOOO!! BOYCOTT YESSSSSSS!!!!!

harrymj3

[BJ_M]

BJ,

The Glock is a firearm and you, as a Canadian, are not allowed to mention them. :D :D

I hear the vast majority of your "Natives", as well as a lot of the European descent Canadians refuse to abide by the latest "They're bad, and we want you to register them in our super efficient 20 million, cost overrun 1 billion, and counting, registry system.

It seems funny that 1 senator wants to curb the "pirates" unnatural enemy,the RIAA, and another, Orrin Hatch, I am almost positive, said the recording industry should be permitted to send malicious code to "destroy" (His words) your computer.

You think a few bucks might have found their way to his war chest?

......................
Cheers,

George

we are allowed to own handguns (i do legally) , though getting a permit is much harder than in the usa (where im from btw) ..
The "new" gun registry IS a total joke and the cost is now more like 1.25 billion and climbing ... and doesnt work of course....
i just hope its not some thing akin to what happened in australia (yeks)
....

though a new goverment here may (hopefully) scrape or change it .. even the police chiefs don't support it ..

that money should have gone to the police directly (and education system) where it would have been a lot more usefull ..

don't get me started on the canada equal to "homeland security" .. they were a total disaster when the power went out (should have been thier shinning moment - except they had no phones and no computer system codes and the guy that had them was stuck in traffic - though they DID do a good job of repeating what was on CNN later in the day) ......as usefull as tits on a bull... the whole country knows it ...

[Roundabout]

They're at it again - hope you aren't a Charter Cable subscriber...

RIAA to Charter: Give up file-swapper names
October 14, 2003, 4:33 PM PDT

The Recording Industry Association of America is pressing a federal court to ignore cable Internet provider Charter Communications' attempt to keep private the names of 93 subscribers who allegedly traded songs online illegally.

On Friday, the trade organization filed a court memorandum opposing Charter's "motion to quash" a subpoena request for the names. The RIAA charges that Charter is unlawfully withholding the identities of its high-speed Internet subscribers who, it says, disseminated more than 100,000 copyrighted songs in peer-to-peer communities like Kazaa without the permission of rights holders.

Among other arguments, the RIAA is denying claims by Charter that it has not filed proper documentation to receive the detailed information on alleged infringers, including their names, addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses.

"Charter...has the IP addresses of the 93 infringers, a subpoena validly issued...a declaration complying with all of the (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) requirements, and notices listing copyrighted works illegally disseminated by each infringer," the filing says. (I'm not a lawyer, but shouldn't that be "allegedly" disseminated illegally - AFAIK, you are innocent until proven guilty. I like how they have already convicted these users, you think they'd learn, after all the mistakes they've already made) "Charter claims instead that the DMCA requires RIAA to fill out 93 different subpoena forms that will differ only as to the IP address (for each infringer)...Charter's goal is transparent--to increase the paperwork burden on copyright holders." (The RIAA's goal is transparent - they want to sue the world with minimum cost and fuss)

The memorandum, submitted to the U.S. Eastern District Court in St. Louis, was filed a week after Charter motioned to quash a subpoena for the names. In doing so, Charter became the first cable company to fight the RIAA in its campaign to target peer-to-peer song swappers with lawsuits. Telecommunications companies, such as Verizon Communications, have taken similar measures against the RIAA without success.

A representative from Charter said that the company had not received the filing as of early Tuesday so it could not comment on it. But the company reaffirmed its commitment to protecting the identities of subscribers in accordance with its privacy policy.

"It's all about protecting the interests of our customers and our business," said Anita Lamont, Charter spokeswoman. "Our intent has never been not to comply with the law. We think we owe it to our customers to take it as far as can be."

In one slight discrepancy with the RIAA, Charter said the recording association has requested the names of 150 subscribers, not 93. Lamont said that the company has notified these 150 that the RIAA is seeking their names.

This summer, the RIAA filed 261 lawsuits against individuals that it claimed had violated copyrights belonging to its member companies. Those individuals' identities were obtained through subpoenas sent to Internet service providers and cable Internet suppliers.

[spectroelectro]

"Gasoline, electricity, nat'l gas, cable TV, you have no choice, nor power as a consumer, not even to conserve, as they raise the price to make up the profit shortfall.

"So to think you/we are going to bring the behemoth to its knees with an 8 day postponement is simply asinine."

Certainly a mere 8-day-long boycott wouldn't accomplish much. But a massive long-sustained boycott aimed directly at major stores (Tower, Virgin, etc.) and all non-artist-run labels (the big five and their puppets -- Sony/Columbia, MCA, Time Warner, etc.) might do quite a bit. If the boycott were sustained long ehough -- say 4 months, 6 months, a year -- and if the overwhelming majority of consumers participated, that would do it.
If consumers were suddenly to start buying only directly from the artists at concerts, or only directly from artist-run websites, that would make a BIG impact.

As for the claim that "gasoline, electricity, natural gas, cable TV" are basic necessities of life -- please. When gasoline prices hit $2 per gallon in the Great Northwest I bundled up my bicycle trailer and stopped driving my car. If you live in a rural area, bike. If you live in an urban area, take rail or cablecar or bus or subway. Electricity is a necessity -- but natural gas is not. You can chop wood.
Cable TV is the least necessary "necessity" of all. Pay for a broadband cable modem, learn how to download video from usenet binary newgroups (see? This really DOES connect with digital video on DVD!) and download all the episodes of your favorite TV shows.
I have just about reached that point myself. Very soon, when CBS and the FCC ram through their upcoming mandate for a copy protection flag on HDTV broadcasts, I shall shut down my cable TV and use broadband instead.
If you have no broadband, get on usenet and trade DVDs of your TV shows (from your old videotapes) for DVDs of new shows you want. The Sony Betamax decision makes this 100% completely totally legal.
The consumer is far from helpless. Aside from electricity, anyone can do without any of the supposed "necessities" listed above -- "gasoline, electricity, natural gas, cable TV."
And if you want to get hard-core you can spend a couple of thousand for a solar power array on your roof + an electric generator and then you can blow off A*L*L the monopolists.
Dislike Bill Gates? Buy LINUX. Learn it.
Displike EXXON? Buy a bike. Use it.
Dislike Time-Warner / MCA / Sony / Bronfman / the German media monopoly? Get broadband. Learn how to d'l TV shows DiVX / ogm files from binary usenet groups.
It's not hard. All it takes is some effort.

[Duchess]

Dislike Time-Warner / MCA / Sony / Bronfman / the German media monopoly? Get broadband. Learn how to d'l TV shows DiVX / ogm files from binary usenet groups.
It's not hard. All it takes is some effort.

Yes? And then end up in court for piracy. Not for me! Also you seem to be content to let others pay these organisations, just so long as you don't. Which seems a tad unfair to my way of thinking.

If you don't like what's happening then complain to your Senator/MP or whatever. If enough people do it then they will be forced to act or be thrown out of government, however I suspect that most people are just to appathetic to actuially complain where it matters rather than just to their friends/neighbours/acquaintances.

[drisley]

Thank goodness that here in "The Great White North" (Canada), it's legal to download and burn copies of music, because of the media levy we pay to the recording industry.
:P

[spiderman2k1]

Stupit RIAA. I do not pay for music at all I get all the top song's for free. How do I do it. Well I use my Dazzle 2 or ATI AIW. Rocond MTV or VHS over night for three hour's. Then Take MPEG2VCR edit the video's then take the MPEG2 file give it to winamp then winamp spit's out a wave file. This is nt stealing I pay for my Satellite Dish. And some of that money goes back to the record companies. Record of the radio with a Fm tuner on your PC there are many way's to get free music with out breaking the law.

If any one think's this is stealling it's not. I record Star Gate SG1 from SCI-FI channel. With my Dazzle 2 that's not stealling.

[Duchess]

If any one think's this is stealling it's not. I record Star Gate SG1 from SCI-FI channel. With my Dazzle 2 that's not stealling.

I don't know where you are but I'm betting that what you are doing is illegal, although mostly it's ignored. In the UK we are supposed to delete any recordings older than 1 week if we want to be strictly legal, and it's usually much the same in most countries.

[Tommyknocker]

Duchess, in the U.S., we are allowed to tape TV and watch it later. It was tried and proven to be time-shifting. You may be insinuating to do this may be illegal. If you are, you are doing Spiderman2k a huge disservice, Milady.

[Duchess]

Sir Tommyknocker,

in the U.S., we are allowed to tape TV and watch it later.

We are in the UK too, but there is a caveat that it must not be for more than 1 week (I think, not sure on the time period but there is a limit and quite a short one too) before we are legally obliged to delete it. OK nobody takes any notice of it and I'm not aware of anybody being prosecuted for breaking the law, but it does exist. And guessing, there is probably a similar ruling in most countries but I don't have the time to dig around to find out.

BTW I'm as guilty as anyone at breaking that law!

[energy80s]

No, there's at least a three year "viewing" period. The one week rule only applies to online recordings made available to everyone (like the BBC Listen Again service).

[Duchess]

No, there's at least a three year "viewing" period. The one week rule only applies to online recordings made available to everyone

Ooopppssss! Got that a bit wrong, but there is a limit just the same.

[SWjedi]

Hi,
A couple points...
I last purchased a new CD 1 year ago.And it was 5 years before that for the previous one.

On the other hand,I have purchased many used CDs at less than 8 dollars each.All like new!!

A question...does anyone remember ten years ago when Garth Brooks(Man,I hate country) came on tv commercials to chastise those who purchase used music?

My point is if more of us buy used music,we are supporting the music shops,not the recording industry.It is the only method of purchasing music that makes sense to me.Where would the RIAA be without music shops anyway?And I dont mean SAM GOODY'S!!

Secondly,the US SUPREME COURT ruled nearly 20 years ago that recording from television for personal use on tape is 100% legal!!

[BJ_M]

if you couldnt buy used music and dvd's or other videos -- how would you expect to buy a Spinal Tap DVD which is out of print ?


Or Apollo 13 DTS edition on laser disk (awesome sound - blows the dvd version out to space - so does Jurasic Park DTS laser disk)

[kirpen]

I think they really are to change the fines for not for profit sharing down to maybe 10-20 bucks per song. The current copyright law was meant to stop people who open stores selling fake cds not the guy who is soing what amounts to pressing the record button.

[luvvbuzz]

2 questions.
1. is it illegal to download a music file to which you dont own on cd or official release casette tape, but not share it with others?

2. is it illegal to own a song on cd or official released tape and let others download it from you? i mean you dont know if the person downloading from you own an origional or not do you?

[drisley]

Yes, and yes, but only if you live in Canada.

In Canada you can download music from P2P legally.
You can also lend discs to friends, and they can make copies legally.

However, it is illegal to make a copy yourself, and then give that copy to a friend *l* funny eh.

In other countries, I believe both those options are illegal.

[BJ_M]

Yes, and yes, but only if you live in Canada.

In Canada you can download music from P2P legally.
You can also lend discs to friends, and they can make copies legally.

However, it is illegal to make a copy yourself, and then give that copy to a friend *l* funny eh.

In other countries, I believe both those options are illegal.

all this ends when this passes https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=184201

[Roundabout]

New Math???


The RIAA Can't Count
October 26, 2003
Fromlyck

Not all of the 260 or so people who were originally issued with a lawsuit by the RIAA are settling. A few brave individuals including Lynette Neuman and Janet Bebell are publicly stating that they will not settle with the RIAA. The lawyers that are representing those individuals are currently uncovering evidence of how the RIAA complied information; some of which they believe was fabricated.

The RIAA have pursued lawsuits against those who share over 1,000 files who the RIAA have labeled as a ‘major offender’. Nicholas of Downhill Battle, who is collecting funds for those sued, told Slyck about an incident where the RIAA managed to count 500 songs as 1,000.

He told us that the lawyers have been saying "the RIAA is being very sloppy about how it counts files in shared folders and people who have some music and then a bunch of other things are sometimes being targeted if their total adds up to over 1,000". Nicholas told us about a lawsuit pending against 1 individual who according to the RIAA shared just over 1,000 files. The reality was that "He only had about 500 songs, so he thought he was ok” but he was using Windows Media Player to share the files. "WMP automatically downloaded album art to go with the songs so it doubled the number of files, the RIAA counted the 500 pieces of art work as songs and then he got slapped with a suit”. Something which is “pretty crazy” as Nicholas put it.

Lynette Neuman, Janet Bebell and many others are currently at the early stages of their legal battle against the RIAA. Downhill Battle is collecting funds to help them with their lawsuits.

I guess no one told him that the RIAA didn't guarantee that they wouldn't sue someone that had less than a thousand songs in their shared folder...which is a lot of songs to be sharing anyway.

[Roundabout]

More nonsense from today's news, and I would say that people are getting smart enough to burn the music off their hard drive, not just delete it...

Music-File Erasing Is Increasing, Research Company Says:


LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - More than a million households deleted all the digital music files they had saved on their PCs in August -- a sign that the record industry's anti-piracy tactics are hitting home, said research company NPD Group on Wednesday.


NPD credited the ongoing anti-piracy campaign by the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites) (RIAA) and said publicity about the move led more consumers to delete musical files.


In August 1.4 million households deleted all music files, whereas prior to August, deletions were at much lower levels, according to Port Washington, New York-based NPD.


When it first began to track deletions in May 2003, NPD found 606,000 households deleted music files from their PCs.


A related NPD survey of consumer perception, however, found that consumers' overall opinion of the recording industry is suffering due to the RIAA's move to sue hundreds of people alleged to have illegally shared music online.


The RIAA represents big record labels such as Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Music, Bertelsmann AG (news - web sites)'s BMG Entertainment and Vivendi Universal's Universal Music.

[RabidDog]

8) and how do thye track these deletions? they ring up a random sample of people and say "have you got any music files on your pc?" joe public says "No sir no way Have I got any music on my Pc" ok fully deleted?

[BJ_M]

8) and how do thye track these deletions? they ring up a random sample of people and say "have you got any music files on your pc?" joe public says "No sir no way Have I got any music on my Pc" ok fully deleted?

good point - that number sounds as if it was made up , unless they hacked into your system (possable) ...

maybe those 660,000 people switched off p2p or went to another service ... or just lied ...

[BJ_M]

660,000 is also a small number compared to the 25++ million using p2p ( i think i heard those numbers)

suprised they didnt say 666,000 or would that be devilish ..

[Roundabout]

maybe those 660,000 people switched off p2p or went to another service ... or just lied ...

Or they finally figured out what "disable sharing of files with other users" meant...

[mysticgohan17]

Everyone is able to share. Having 56k isn't an excuse

yea it is an excuse. those 12 year old kids use kazaa and their parents cable connection to download movies fast! :P

[brokenback]

one thing i haven't quite accepted is that i believe any RIAA law suit should name the person who downloaded the illegal music & that they used it in an Illegal manner....

Of course, this begs the question...how can they prove who was at the terminal at the time the offence was comitted?


The answer is, they cannot!, Maybe it was the dog????

[tigerman8u]

it's amazing. this country(USA) was originally founded on the principle of (no taxation without representatin). What happened ? The constitution gives the American ppl the right to over throw the government if it gets out of line. What happened ? In a recent pole, app. 1 year ago, 75% or more of senators and congressman were admitedly 1. alcholics 2.drug addicts 3. gay 4. a combination of the above. What does this tell you about our representatives. In simple words they're f**ked up. They have one purpose in mind. $$$. Thay promise this and that when campaigning but when elected what do thay do ? Give in to the big $$. It's about time the American ppl take back their heritage and pride before it's to late. But they won't. the average American will sit on his/her fat lazy ass and think why should i do this when somebody else will do it for me. Makes me wonder why did my grandfather serve in WW1, my father in WW2, my brother and me in the Vietnam war. To give all our fought for and earned liberty to rich a**holes who control the country. Bullshit, most of them probably hid behind their $$ and were either conciensious objecters or bought their way out. Wake up Americans and show that the majority can and still rules. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness