do you pay for ketchup/catsup?

[gmatov]

Roundabout,

I'd say ja neznam, or ya neznam

Shto, is in answer to my own spelling of "It costs more money for ketchup, if you please."

The New York Strip is to say they are trying to please investors, so they will adopt American terms to try to please.

I am sure that everywhere in the world there is the cut of meat that is reserved for royalty or the rich. So if you asked for the king of roasts you'd automatically get a rib roast, prime rib, here, or a filet mignon, which is French, and the most expensive here.

I would bet Kruschev, and I think altzheimers is getting me, can't remember who else ruled the USSR, the guy with the map of Africa on his head, in purple, but no names, anyhow, I would bet they ate those top cuts, no chuck, no round steak, no neck bones.

And it would take someone who wanted to rip off the people totally to sell them the tail bones of a cow as a delicacy.

Mebbe with enough ketchup it'd be palatable.

Cheers,

George

[Craig Tucker]

Mikheil Gorbachev

[gmatov]

Craig,

Send me a bottle of the garlic sauce. I don't believe it is for sale here. Have never seen it and I plain ass love garlic.

Have to put in a couple pounds in the next couple weeks, hope to have enough for next winters use.

Lea and Perrins, I do use, love wooster sauce.

Cheers,

George

Yeah, That's the guy, Gorby.

[Craig Tucker]

Craig,

Send me a bottle of the garlic sauce. I don't believe it is for sale here. Have never seen it and I plain ass love garlic.

You don't get a pot with your dominos pizza over there then.

[Gees]

closest thing to HP in U.S. is:



yum

Yeah - I've got to try that garlic sauce too! Never saw it at Tescos. :c*

Is it new?

- Dominos is completely different in the States. There aren't nearly as many topping choices as here.

[Roundabout]

Roundabout,

I'd say ja neznam, or ya neznam

Shto, is in answer to my own spelling of "It costs more money for ketchup, if you please."

Da, Ya panimayu seychas. Ti govorit Horvatski, ne po-Russki?

Geez, it's getting late and I'm trying to think up phrases in Russian. My brain already hurts...my wife speaks Russian to me constantly, hoping I'll pick up some of her language, and I do...but very little. She speaks English fluently so it's not really necessary, but it's fun to sometimes be able to say things that others don't understand. First, I learned Cyrillic so I can at least read - now I can pronounce words in Russian, even if I don't always know what they mean

[gmatov]

Roundabout,

Ne, ja rasgorovim po Srpski. Jasam Srbin.

But I only came back to post another search result, here:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ket2.htm

Good stuff about catchup. Interesting subject.

Cheers,

George

Jeez, another site, and it's ke-tsiap. Look here:

http://homecooking.about.com/library/weekly/aa021400a.htm

[Craig Tucker]

Yeah - I've got to try that garlic sauce too! Never saw it at Tescos. :c*

It is fairly new, and they do sell it in Tescos.

[Roundabout]

George,

So you speak Serb and not Croat? (I always thought they were connected: "Serbo-Croatian" - or are they two distinct languages?) Do you speak any Russian? Why/how did you learn it? Oops...I guess you said you speak Serb and that you are Serb. That would explain it. Like I mentioned, in my case, it's because of my wife. Also for survival, I have to be able to speak some of the local language when I'm over there. They're always amazed when they hear my "American accent" speaking Russian. Yes, I do have a distinct accent, according to every Russian I ask. Makes sense, since they have accents that we hear. I wonder if it sounds strange to them - of course they all say I speak Russian perfectly (the words I know how to speak), but I don't know if they're just being polite or if I sound understandable.

Now we both know more about Ketchup/Catsup than we ever wanted to know, anyway! I guess we're really bored tonight, to spend all night talking about Ketchup...

[gmatov]

Roundabout,

I'm American born, but my father was born in the old country, and my mother was born here 2 years after her mother came here. My mother probably should have been like all the others her age and spurned talking in that language, but didn't.

So, when they married, he was more comfortable in Serbian, now known as Serbo-Croat, and she was fluent in it, so, naturally, it was what we spoke at home, unlike all the other families in my coal mining patch where the old tongue was the secret language spoken when you didn't want the kids to know what you were talking about. They only learned the swear words, as kids will pick up damn and hell and even worse.

As for myself, at about 4 my aunts passed me off to our newest priest, an import, as they all were, as the little boy from the old country. He believed it!!! I couldn't speak English when I started school, near 55 years ago, but was sharp enough, I guess, to grasp it pretty quickly.

My dad died more than 40 years ago, my mother 4 . There really isn't anyone to speak it with anymore, except my younger brother, whom I see rarely, so I am losing it.

It's why I like talking, even in typing to people who can carry on some type of converse (is that a word, in this context?) with people who can do so.

You should pay more attention to your wife, try harder to speak her language, not for marital harmony, I'd never suggest thet, but to learn it. If you can understand a good bit of it, there is no reason you can't wrap your tongue around the words. We use a lot of glottals and rrrrrolling rs, but it is not difficult, if you can understand the words.

Have fun. Hell, she might even think you're not so hopeless if you try.

Cheers,

George

PS: I do think the Croatians have a few morw Germanic words than the Serbs do, so Serbo-Croat is probably a mish-mash of the 2. The Croatians have always considered themselves to be more Germanic than Slavic. It is probably why the Yugoslav Republic broke apart, as well as all the industry being in Croatia, Serbia being the farming breadbasket of the federation.

Hey, we got all the factories, why should we share jobs with you?

And then, you get a Clinton who wants to make a name for himself, that's all she wrote.

[Roundabout]

They only learned the swear words, as kids will pick up damn and hell and even worse.

Isn't it funny the easiest words to learn in every language are the swear words? Maybe it's because you'll hear them more often

There really isn't anyone to speak it with anymore, except my younger brother, whom I see rarely, so I am losing it.

Yeah, even my wife worries about forgetting how to speak Russian, so I make sure she has plenty of friends around here she can hang out with that speak Russian, too. Use it or lose it, I guess.

It's why I like talking, even in typing to people who can carry on some type of converse (is that a word, in this context?) with people who can do so.

Well, I may not be able to understand Serb, but if enough words are similar to Russian or Ukrainian, maybe I can figure it out. I already knew "Srpska" from a while back...if I was 10 years old it would be much easier to learn, too old now. Too bad Cyrillic doesn't seem to display properly on this board - I tried and couldn't get it to work. I have Cyrillic fonts and a Russian keyboard, and the correct codepage (CP 1251) but it still doesn't work on this BB.

You should pay more attention to your wife

She'll love you for that!

If you can understand a good bit of it, there is no reason you can't wrap your tongue around the words.

Takes a lot of practice. I'm trying...

Hell, she might even think you're not so hopeless if you try.

I doubt that!

PS: I do think the Croatians have a few morw Germanic words than the Serbs do, so Serbo-Croat is probably a mish-mash of the 2.

In Ukraine, they have a mix of Russian/Ukrainian called "Sirjik" that is a hodge-podge of different words from both, with some slang thrown in. Apparently, a lot of people speak this there, but it's mostly for talking between friends. Since independence from Russia, Ukraine has resurrected their language and now it is required on all official forms, government paperwork, and many other places. Seems that the people would rather speak Russian, though - and they bitch to high heaven at being coerced into speaking Ukrainian, even though they are Ukrainian!

Great talking to you, George!

[i_am_dave]

I've eaten at McDs in a few European countries. Sometimes, it is out of curiosity. I've found that Germany and the UK get it right. But for some reason France just cannot seem to get it right. Comes out too sweet, possibly because of the bread.
I've had to eat fast food sometimes because I've blown my entire food budget the night before on Bier at the local Brauhaus. (Or beer at the local Pub, depending on country.) (or Pressione at the local Cafe)

[Roundabout]

I've eaten at McDs in a few European countries. Sometimes, it is out of curiosity. I've found that Germany and the UK get it right. But for some reason France just cannot seem to get it right. Comes out too sweet, possibly because of the bread.

Well, it wouldn't be the first thing France did wrong 8)

But to tell you the truth, I didn't notice any difference between McD's in UK, France, Holland, Spain, Belgium, Germany, Czech Republic, Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Japan or anywhere else I've tried it. That's their whole drawing power - that it is exactly the same everywhere. They even imported their potato plants to Russia and grow them there so the Fries would taste the same! Of course, it's not 100% identical, but it's pretty close. The main difference I noted was in service, not so much the food.

[Gees]

I didn't notice any difference between McD's in UK

Yes, the standard menu tastes about the same. But I have noticed, they add new things to the menu here (UK) that would never be tried in the U.S.

[gmatov]

Gees,

They haven't gotten around to bangers and mash, or bubble and squeak, have they?

They're a little desperate to raise sales, so they keep trying different things that don't go over very well. There are only so many people to go around, and I don't care what they have on the menu, it will not be my every eat out meal. Too many other decent chains, and variety is really the best spice.

I like fish, Chinese, Mexican, whatever, once in a while, and of course would rather have a nice red steak over any of them.

Cheers,

George

[Gees]

gmatov - :cD no, not yet.

But they did an Indian food version - can't remember what they called it. And they always have veggie burgers, which some of my family in States would love but don't get there.

Here, Dominos even does tandoori chicken on pizzas! :c)) It's great and there are potato chip flavors like you wouldn't believe.

Still, lots of U.S. foods & treats I miss though.

[Roundabout]

And they always have veggie burgers, which some of my family in States would love but don't get there.

Actually they do have veggie burgers here too:

From 5/14/2003:

McDonald's Debuts Veggie Burger In Southern California

DES MOINES, Iowa (Dow Jones)--Several hundred McDonald's Corp. restaurants in Southern California added a meatless hamburger to their menus this week.
Called the McVeggie Burger, the sandwich features a soy-based patty, made by Hain Celestrial Group Inc. , on a whole-wheat bun.

With eight grams of fat and 350 calories, the vegetarian sandwich is a lightweight compared with the flagship Big Mac, which has two all-beef patties, 34 grams of fat and 590 calories.

The McVeggie is part of a new "Salads & More" menu at some McDonald's. Company representatives couldn't immediately be reached on whether plans call for the sandwich to eventually go national.

Archrival Burger King added the BK Veggie Burger to its lineup early last year after testing the product in Canada. Burger King's patty is an amalgam of ground mushrooms, water chestnuts, brown rice, rolled oats, wheat protein and wheat gluten, carrots, onions, red and green peppers and potato starch.

The world's No. 3 burger chain, Wendy's International Inc. , doesn't offer a vegetarian burger, according to its Website.

Yummy.

[Gees]

Oh! Maybe they'll make their way cross-country to New Jersey. :c)

[Roundabout]

I don't know if the "Salads & More" menu is nationwide yet, but BK has veggie burgers everywhere in the US already:

>>In March, Burger King introduced nationwide its Veggie Burger, a 2.4-ounce patty of vegetables, whole grains and spices tucked under the comforting camouflage of lettuce, tomato and 11/2 tablespoons of reduced-fat mayonnaise. It has 330 calories, 10 grams of fat, and 770 milligrams of sodium.<<

I remember a few years ago, they had the "McLean" veggie burger, and it failed dismally. I'm surprised they're trying this again. Salads seem to sell fairly well, but I don't know about the burger. Time will tell.

[Gees]

tucked under the comforting camouflage of lettuce, tomato and 11/2 tablespoons of reduced-fat mayonnaise

LOL So... it's a low-fat camo burger!?

Marketing, it never ceases to amaze me! :cD

[mrtristan]

In Japan, the traditional all season condiment is shoyu, or soy sauce. Ketchup is also readily available everywhere, including the big chain fast food places. Last time I went, they didn't charge for packets.

Kim chee is chinese cabbage pickled with garlic and crushed red pepper. They have an unbelieveable amount of side dishes in Korea, called "namul." Kim chee isn't limited to chinese cabbage, though. They also make it out of cucumbers, radish, and other assorted vegetables. I'm pretty sure each kind of kim chee has it's own name, but I'm not Korean, so I can't tell you.

In the Philippines, Vietnam, and a majority of Southeast Asia, they use a fish sauce. It's called "patis,"" in Filipino and "nuoc mam" in Vietnamese. There's a Thai name for it as well, but I can't remember what it is. They also use a spicy sauce made from chiles called "sriracha."

I don't know what they call it, but the Chinese also use soy sauce as a condiment, as well as chinese mustard. They also use a lot of sauces in cooking, like hoi sin and oyster sauce.

We pretty much eat all of that stuff in Hawaii in addition to the "normal" American condiments, so there's no shortage of sauces over here.

[Craig Tucker]

I think they are trying out healtier options because they are worried about being sued by obese customers

McDonald's is seeking to have a federal class-action lawsuit dismissed. The lawsuit was leveled by parents who are blaming the fast food giant for their kids being obese. Is someone suing the parents for being stupid?

**Originally posted on November 21.**

Lawyers for McDonald's say that a federal class-action lawsuit attempting to hold them liable for the obesity of children should be dismissed, arguing that under the theory, you could even sue mom for cooking fattening foods.

"They are seeking to hold McDonald's and McDonald's alone accountable for the growing problem of youthful obesity," said Brad Lerman, a lawyer for the restaurant chain.

What we are seeing is the fallout of life-long smokers suing tabacco companies after getting cancer. I think what's missing here is a dose of common sense. What we are seeing is another dose of I'm not responsible for my actions taking place.

What these people should also add in the lawsuit is their IQ to prove how stupid they are also. In fact, if I was on the McDonald's legal team, I'd make a motion to administer IQ tests.

"The understanding and comprehension of what hamburgers and French fries do has been with us for a long, long time," Lerman argued. "People don't go to sleep thin and wake up the next day suddenly obese. They realize it when their clothes are too tight and their pants don't fit."

One teen, Gregory Rhymes, who likes to Tubby-size his orders, said he weighs 400 pounds and is 5 feet, 6 inches tall and has been diagnosed with diabetes.

Ashley Pelman, 14, of the Bronx, submitted an affidavit saying she weighs 170 pounds at 4 feet, 10 inches and has been eating at the chain three to four times a week since she was five.

Another named plaintiff, Jazlyn Bradley, 19, of Brooklyn, said she weighs 270 pounds and is 5 feet 6 inches tall, and that during a four-year-period she ate twice a day at McDonald's.

The parents of these children say they never saw posters in the restaurant explaining the nutritional content of the food.

I'm not sure who is to blame here. Some of these kids should have been taught that shoveling grease into your piehole would result in picking up a few extra pounds. The blame lies in a lack of common sense and parents that clearly don't care about their children.

I'd like to know if these children also have an Xbox, Playstation or GameCube and have the habit of playing it, or partaking in some other inside activity - like watching TV - for a good part of the day.

I had a mother that would walk over to the TV and turn it off, regardless if I was in mid-program, and make me go outside. That gave me the appreciation of the outdoors to at least a small degree.

I wonder about a parent that would let their child stuff that mutton in their gullet at such an extreme rate, then not cut them off when they noticed the ill effects. Do mom and dad not care that little Susie is a walking coronary? Of course not, when you can make Susie's eventual heart attack into a few million dollar lawsuit. So while she's getting her veins vacuumed out, mom and dad can party in Costa Rica while working on a buttery tan. Speaking of butter, Susie probably put plenty of butter fat in her ass handles while mom and dad were busy not being involved in her life.

So who should we sue? The parents. Those kids should be turned over the protective services and saved from that child abusing home.

A few days ago, I drove in my Cherokee to Wendy's to get some lunch. If I noticed a few extra pounds because the heavenly #6 I ate, could I sue Jeep for providing the car that drove me there? How about I sue the unholy, PETA hating chicken farm that provides Wendy's with poultry?

How about I skip my next Wendy's run and use that $4.84 to buy those kids a f*cking clue?

[gmatov]

Craig,

That's all well and good, but some people are gonna get fat,at least according to some people I work with, with absolutely NO caloric intake. They get fat on air, according to them, because they never sees this cook sit down to eat anything at all.

Those fat asses have been stuffing their faces since birth, and the more you eat, the more you want to eat, and the more you have to eat.

There is not a fat person extant who does not eat a lot of food. You will never see a 400 pounder eat a cup of spaghetti, as is the serving size on the box.

Hell, I eat a gallon, myself, and I'm downright skinny..

Any person will eat till they are satisfied, some will cram more into their gullets, but, generally, a fat person will eat more just because there is more of him to sate.

You might eat a ham sandwich and say, boy, am I stuffed. He will eat a ham and say, what's for dessert?

In all of man's history, getting enough to eat has been the prime goal. Now we have TV and movies, and everyone has to be 22 year old sveldt.

Even 50 years ago, a corpulent body meant that you had it made, you were rich enough to eat enough.

Today, we got the Twiggy syndrome, as well as those who say you are not allowed to be fat because it offends me.

Well, hey, they can kiss my ass, and if I were a little fatter, they'd have more ass to kiss.

I do hate ascetics, and anyone who'd choose an alfalfa burger over ground beef, 27% fat, is an assholle, period.

Chopped mushrooms and sawdust? You MUST be kidding. And at a premium price, I would assume.

Cheers,

George