Fault copying from DVD+RW

[DougB]

I have a Philips DVDR 890 real-time video DVD recorder. I've recorded DVD+RWs on the unit and are trying unsuccesfully to copy them. My copying setup is a fast pentium computer with a Sony DVD-ROM DDU1612 drive (clearly specd by Sony to be compatable with DVD+R/W as well as -R/W), and a Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-104 drive.

Note that I can play the DVD+RW without problem on either DVD drive in the computer (I'm using CyberLink Power DVD as a player).

My intention is to rip off the Sony ROM drive, then subsequently record on the other drive. The problem is that after several minutes of ripping time I get an error and can't proceed further. Attempts to rip from the Pioneer drive give similar results.

The error occurs whether I'm copying using the 'build global image' function in Veritas RecordNow DX, or using Nero Express, or even attempting to copy contents of VIDEO_TS folder using windows explorer.

The error reports error px engine error (command:28 Sense: 03 ASC:11 ASCQ:06) in Veratis, CIRC UNRECOVERED ERROR (031106), in Nero, or Cannot copy VTS_01_1: Data error (cyclic redundancy check) when attempting to copy in windows explorer.

I have tried a number of different DVD+RWs recorded on the Philips real-time recorder. The fault occurs with each of them.

Note that I can succesfully rip from DVD-R, or DVD-ROM disks on the same system.

Any advice?

[tompika]

Do not try to rip image from rewritable media

Try DVD Decrypter in file mode (ALL FILES!!!)

Burn the VIDEO_TS with RcordNow or Nero using the proper settings

[tofo]

I don't know the Philips dvd-recorder model DVDR 890, but I do have the Philips R70 dvd-recorder. After having made some coasters with dvd+r discs (my fault, not Philips), I have now started to record to DVD +RW discs as a rule - and then afterwards I copy the recorded (and edited) material on to DVD +R or DVD -R disks using the copy disk function in nero 6.0 on my PC (and NEC 1300 dvd burner)

I don't know why you have problems with this type of copying, but I believe you have to "finalize" the DVD +RW disks in the Philips recorder before you can make copies with your PC. On my Philips R70 model, I press the "Arrow up" button in order to reach the disc menu from the start menu. Here a menu option is available to "finalize" the record - I think Philips use words or expressions like "making the record compatible with other dvd-players".

Pls note that this option was NOT available to me when I first used the recorder, I had to download and install an official firmware upgrade from the web in order to make it work even though this menu option was described in the Philips manual that was delivered with the R70 model - which I bought some 3-4 weeks ago.

Perhaps you have to do something similar with your Philips DVDr 890 model in order to copy your DVD +RW disks?

[tompika]

I believe you are mixing the "finalizing" and "applying compatibility bitsetting on a DVD+RW"

Do DVD+RW discs need to be finalized?
No. Everytime a DVD+RW disc is ejected, either from a DVD+R/+RW drive in a PC or from a DVD+R/+RW video recorder, it automatically contains the needed information for the disc to be read in a normal DVD-Video player or DVD-ROM drive. There's no need to perform a time-consuming "finalisation" process on the disc, as is required for all other rewritable DVD formats, and for CD-RW. Likewise, there is no such thing as "unfinalizing" a DVD+RW disc: you can always make modifications or add new contents to a disc without performing some special procedure in advance

I dont think its possible to make image of a DVD+RW due to the lack of finalization.
You need to rip ALL files in file mode with DVD Decrypter.

[Phil Thomas]

Data error (cyclic redundancy check) normally means Windows is having problems reading the data from the disk.
This could be a bad burn, poor media, damaged disk etc.

Have you tried again with another disk ? or a new disk ?

[tofo]

I believe you are mixing the "finalizing" and "applying compatibility bitsetting on a DVD+RW"

No, I was sitting at work - not having my Philips dvd recorder or its manual at hand. I knew that "finalizing" was not the correct word, that why I added the quote-unquote marks:

Here a menu option is available to "finalize" the record - I think Philips use words or expressions like "making the record compatible with other dvd-players".

Guess it was an ufortunate choice of words. Having now looked at the Philips manual, Philips calls the menu option I suggested that DougB shoud try "Make edits compatible".

I don't know if this will work or not, but this menu option "locks" (I'm avoiding "finalizing" now) any editing you may have done on the DVD +RW record. I use this command on my recorded DVD +RW discs as a rule because there are always some chapters I want to delete/hide and I have never had problems with copying these recordings to DVD +R (or DVD -R) afterwards via my PC + nero6 + NEC1300.

My suggestion was just that DougB should give it a try the next time he wants to copy a DVD +RW disc - if the menu option "Make edits compatible" is available to him. If this doesn't help, I will have to leave it to somebody else to come up with new ideas.

[tofo]

The quotes came out all wrong in my reply - making my reply very confusing to read. Sorry about that. Guess it's not such a good idea to skip the preview option whenever a reply is posted...

[tompika]

OK.

1. I use Memorex(RICOHJPNW01) and Philips(PHILIPS.010) DVD+RW (rewritable medias) with great success.

2. Some brands have poor reflectivity that can cause problems

3. Ripping DVD+RW (plus-rewritable) media as ISO image is problematic but can be done (check my previous posts or do a search)
I suggest DVD Decrypter file mode (ALL files!)

4. Philips standalone recorders get lots of complaints.

5. Philips stanalone recorders write DVD-ROM booktype on DVD+R (write-once) media by default for better compatibility with players.

6. The same can be done with DVD+RW (rewritable) media after burning applying the following procedure:
http://dvdplusrw.org/resources/bitsettings_video.html
New models probably have it in menu.

7. DVD+RW (rewritable) doesn't require finalization.

[tofo]

Tompika, after having read your latest reply - I think that we agree on most issues exept that you prefer to use DVD Decrypter file mode when copying a DVD +RW disc.

Personally, I have only used the "Make edits compatible" method offered on Philips R70 model to prepare the DVD +RW disk to be copied with Nero's copy-disk function. You are probably right that this is the same as "applying compatibility bitsetting on a DVD+RW" (I haven't taken the time to check it out as I'm only online for a few minutes now)

Anyway, the above method works fine for me - that's why I wanted to suggest this to DougB (which we seem to have lost on the way in this discussion). I'm sure that DVD Decrypter file mode also can be used, I've never argued against that and in fact I'm not on this forum to argue against anybody - only trying to be helpful (if I can).

Philips standalone recorders get lots of complaints

I don't really see why you use this thread to mock Philips, but it is true - I also had second thougths before buying my R70 some time ago because I was unsure if the quality would be up to "japanese standards". So far it has worked very well indeed, and with a purchasing price which was far less than some of my (japanese) dvd-players

[tompika]

I don't really see why you use this thread to mock Philips, but it is true

If a recorder didn't write properly it could be a reason for a bad ripping. I did not mean to hurt anybody.

I think that we agree on most issues exept that you prefer to use DVD Decrypter file mode when copying a DVD +RW disc

OK here's the deal.

I'm a big fan of DVD Decrypter and I use its ISO reading-writing feature very often.
I always use my Ricoh DVD+RW for ripping as it rips faster (up to 8.2x) than my Toshiba DVD-ROM.
Every time I tried to rip from DVD+RW (rewritable) as ISO I got thousands of "Logical block address out of range" errors. I found some posts that talked about the same problem. I thought it was common. However ripping in file mode was OK
Read tests showed the same it was all red at the end of the disc but a quick erase made the same disc perfectly readable from the first bit to the last one. Strange.

Today I tried the same in the Toshiba DVD-ROM and these problems did not come up.
ISO ripping completed, read errors dissapeared.

I discovered the following:
Although the movie was only 4.1GB the burner wanted to go further and tried to read the rest of the disc that a regular DVD-ROM wouldn't do.
Please click here to see the screenshoots
http://www.dvdrrw.org/ DVD Media -- Ripping +RW as ISO