TMPGEnc v Cinema Craft Encoder

[zak_swan]

when i encoded with tmpgenc if the file is an hour long it takes about 3 hours to encode however i find it easy to use and it works perfectly every time.
i've heard CCE is a quicker encoder i tried it out but didnt find it user friendly.
i started to encode a movie with it and the estimated time for it was an hour i thought "Great"
then after an hour it started second stage of encoding which it estimated at 3 hours! i just cancelled it coz i didnt want to wait for stage 2 to finish then maybe a stage 3 beginning
what i would like to know is if anyone has used the both of them and which do they find easier and quicker?
im still a bit of a newbie so im not interested in doing anything fancy i just want to encode easily and preferably quick (well as quick as encoding goes)

[BJ_M]

if you want speed and quality and dont want to pay 2000$ ..

you should look at CCE basic or main concept encoders ...


no mater what you use -- you will have a little learning curve for best results .

[zak_swan]

i'm using the trial version of cce but when i encode movie and play it, it is all blocky and blue.
it must be a codec problem but i have ace mega codec pack installed which i thought would cover all codecs.
any ideas?

[BJ_M]

need a little more info on what you are trying to encode


cce acually has a preview window of sorts -- if you see nothing in the preview - you will not get anything encoded ..

[zak_swan]

im tring to encoded an avi file
i use goldwave for the wav and use this as >input audio from another file
i set mode to MPEG-2(PS Video + Audio)
it looks ok in CCE preview but when its encoded and i play it, it looks like big bag of crap and mouse pointer turns into a big square!

[jester1x]

Personally, I prefer using TMPGEnc even though it is slower. I find the quality better than using CCE Basic because you have more options as far as settings are concerned.

What I wonder is why do most folks tout CCE as the superior product when used in combination with avisynth? I'm no expert by any means, but CCE's quality is not as good (when utilized without avisynth) as TMPGEnc's quality in my opinion.

Was avisynth specifically designed to be used in combination with CCE? Also, how would TMPGEnc compare to CCE (without using avisynth in conjunction)? Just wondering!?

[zak_swan]

i've been messing about with cce and the only files i can get to encoded properly are 29.970 fps ones.
with 23.976 the picture is blocky as if codecs are'nt installed but avicodec says they are.
with the 25fps ones when i open them with movie factory it says, "warning nothing to output bframe decoder lag"
i have checked files with virtual dub and they are not bad.

i cant recall having all these problems with tmpgenc (maybe i did i just cant remember )

do u have to use avisynth conjunction with CCE for better results?

help please on the fps mystery (well mystery to me)

[BJ_M]

i've been messing about with cce and the only files i can get to encoded properly are 29.970 fps ones.
with 23.976 the picture is blocky as if codecs are'nt installed but avicodec says they are.
with the 25fps ones when i open them with movie factory it says, "warning nothing to output bframe decoder lag"
i have checked files with virtual dub and they are not bad.

i cant recall having all these problems with tmpgenc (maybe i did i just cant remember :? )

do u have to use avisynth conjunction with CCE for better results?

help please on the fps mystery (well mystery to me)

when doing 23.97 , did you remember to check "progressive" and "zigzag encoding and use a progressive type matrix ?

[zak_swan]

i did as u said checked progressive and zig zag but dont know how to use progressive type matrix.
after changing progressive and zig i done a short test and results were the same blue and blocky
maybe i should just stick with tmpgenc? this seems too complicated

[Devanshu]

Tmpgenc...it woks wonders for me. Also, if you're worried about the time, just leave it on for overnight and check the little box that says "shutdown after finished encoding". That's what I do.

[zak_swan]

ive been fiddling about with CCE and have kind of figures it out a bit.
im still having problems with encoding 23 fps files and some 25 fps files has anyone got a good link expaining how to do it?
CCE does seem to encode a lot quicker than tmpgenc for the sort of stuff im doing.

why does CCE basic look excactly the same as CCE sp and one costs 40 times more than the other?
is it someting to do with better programming and alogorithems (whatever they are) to a newbie it seems bizzar
now if i paid £2 for a beer and another one was £80 i would want a couple of extras with it eg chaffeur driven limo and 6 foot blonde (female one that is)

[tsantsa]

with the new mainconcept encoder version, shouldn't this debate include all 3?

Tmpgenc vs CCE vs Mainconcept

[Poplar]

The debate really is between CCE SP and MC. TMPG is great for newbies, who don't really know and care about what's going on, as long as it's easy to use.

Most newbies can't handle CCE SP. They don't know what's behind that simple non-flashy interface and how to get most of it. I am liking and using MC more and more. It got speed and quality......

[tsantsa]

I think it's quality is quite nice myself.

[bigb_y2g]

when i encoded with tmpgenc if the file is an hour long it takes about 3 hours to encode however i find it easy to use and it works perfectly every time.

LOL 3 hours! With my system 1 hour of video take 15 hours to encode

[BJ_M]

when i encoded with tmpgenc if the file is an hour long it takes about 3 hours to encode however i find it easy to use and it works perfectly every time.

LOL 3 hours! With my system 1 hour of video take 15 hours to encode :o

what's your point? people have different systems ..

[zak_swan]

i'm starting to like CCE, after a couple of days it's as easy as tmpgenc to use (without getting involded in the complicated bits which i dont get involved in with in tmpgenc either, come to think of it i don't get involved in anything complicated)

ive encoded short tests and burned them on dvd rw and they have worked perfectly and they encode 3 times faster than tmpgenc!

give it a go newbies (well almost newbies dunno when u advance, do u one day decide im not a newbie or do u get an email saying,"Congrats u have wasted 1000 hours of your life in front of pc making dvds u are now officially not a newbie, click here > to collect your prize)

[digicube]

"warning nothing to output bframe decoder lag" This error only comes up on XVID videos converted to MPEG-2 for me and it only last 1/10 of a sec. Does cause any problem but still a nuisance.

[Beev]

Personally, I use TMPEGEnc and occasionally, I use Canopus ProCoder.

Canopus ProCoder outputs about the same quality as TMPEGEnc, but is faster, in my experience. For example, I use TMPEGEnc and it takes me roughly 1 hour and 20 minutes to encode an hour long video into a DVD format mpg.

With Canopus, it takes roughly the length of the film, so if it is 58 minutes, it will be encoded in 58 minutes.