Premiere Framserving Field Trouble

[ice_2003]

basically, i have captured a PAL clip which was recorded/broadcasted in PAL. Therefore i am able to perfrom 2:2 pulldown while avoids deinterlacing the video.

when i load the file straight in tmpgenc, it is fine, i check the right field order and the clip is fine, and i am able to perfrom the 2:2 pulldown (inverse telecine, 25fps, 10 pattern).

however, this time i needed to edit in premiere and frameserve to tmpgenc. in the project settings, i have tried upper field, lower field, no field (and kept the same setting as i changed for serving the video) but when i do the "odd-even (field) test, the image is jumping back on forth regardless of which field i choose in tmpgenc.

i was able to perform 2:2 pulldown frameserving from premiere before, though i am not sure what the problem is.

i seem to get the same results with avisynth .03 w/ avisynth-premiere-0.25 and pacplugin.

any ideas ?

thanks in advance

ice_2003

[BJ_M]

try setting "reverse" field order - they may have got flipped

(different than top or bottom first)

[FOO]

I'd like to help but I simply cannot understand why you
would run an inverse telecine on material that has not been telecined.
It is PAL right ? 24 fps film sped up to 25 ?

[BJ_M]

I'd like to help but I simply cannot understand why you
would run an inverse telecine on material that has not been telecined.
It is PAL right ? 24 fps film sped up to 25 ?

i didnt want to bring that part of the problem up - as i could not understand either what was going on ..

[ice_2003]

just in case i confused anyone...

2:2 pulldown is done by using a inverse telecine pattern of "10" at 25fps (no frame rate change).

this way the only the proggressive frames are used on the PAL material, meaning that there is no need to deinterlace, and therefore maintaining a higher picture quality.

the problem is that, when i load the file straight in TMPGENC, i am able to perfrom this.

however, when i try it thru a frameserver thru premiere or even virtualdub, it does not work..all the frames appear interlaced in tmpgenc.

i tried some of the suggested ideas such as reversing the fields (though the pattern 10 would just be 01)...

not quite sure what is wrong, i might try clean reinstalls of the programs in case i changed a setting somewhere.

any other suggestions would be great

ice_2003

[FOO]

ust in case i confused anyone...

2:2 pulldown is done by using a inverse telecine pattern of "10" at 25fps (no frame rate change).

If there is no frame rate change there is no pulldown is there ?

You definitely have me confused. Your video arrives at 50 fields per
second. Every pair of fields constitutes a frame from the source

Either your capture card puts every pair of fields together into a frame
or it captures the fields separately.

You cannot inverse telecine this material as it has never been telecined.

Your only choice is whether to de-interlace it or not before encoding

If that's not right please explain it to me.

[ice_2003]

http://www.richieh.com/tutorial05.asp#53

^ thats basically what im trying to do

(i dont think i explained it very well before)

and for some reason, when i try it through premiere or virtualdub > tmpgenc it does not work.

though if i load the file straight into tmpgenc, it works.

ice_2003

[FOO]

I suspect the difference is Premiere and Vdub are making it progressive.
What did you capture it in MPEG2 ?

[ice_2003]

768x576 huffy codec w/ iuvcr

[FOO]

Next question
Why did you pick that non standard resolution ?

720 x 576 is PAL DVD

[ice_2003]

no idea...i just resize it afterwards

though it would make sense to cap to 720x576 to save encoding time.

[FOO]

It does but that's not what you said earlier.
If you cannot be precise you cannot get help
i give up