Is CS2 CD for real??

[Branroyal]

^ This is a disc that Sono press (BMG plant) kinda pioneered. The problem with it is the CD side dont work in car CD players and some other drives. They did a recall, but you could still find it in the blair witch 2 movie DVD set. Production cost is also very expensive, but it is quite a interesting format.

[mijman]

Are these supposed to be DVD discs, or regular CD discs that these would be produced on? I'm confuzzled. You said both on different occasions. You said VCD and miniDVD, which is fine, let's explore that. VCD video is fine, but not playable on every system, but making a miniDVD takes up a lot of space (and is supported by even FEWER units). DVD discs would solve he sapce problems, but would require DVD drives to play even the audio tracks. You're sticking video, CD tracks, and computer programs on this thing. Cd tracks take up more room than an mpg of the video. On a DVD disc, an album's worth of music would take up about 500-800 MB, depending on artist, and videos about the same.
Unless, of course, you are intending this to be used only for cd singles, (which for $10-$15 is a horrendous waste of money, anyway.) which would fit probably pretty well.
The big question you need to ask yourself is, will anyone care? I don't mean the people here, or hackers, eager to break your codes, I mean the 10 year old NSUCK fans who want to buy a video disc of their favorite "band du jour" and have the brains of potatoes. They aren't remixing DICK. They might play with it for 20 minutes, realize they suck as producers, and never touch it again.
You have a nifty little format for a barely realized medium which is already long in the tooth in the industry, as far as storage medium is concerned. But nifty little formats don't matter, in the long run, except to the ones who create them. Get in, get paid, get out quick, before it collapses around your head...and it will.


And, Branroyal, just for my own sake cause this is driving me APESHIT, "coming" has only ONE 'm' IN IT!
you seem to excell in computer language, but forsake English.




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[d4n13l]

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On 2001-12-10 23:26:34, kinneera wrote:
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because there is multiple index in the mode2 track for CD player playback, this automaticly make an "illegal TOC" on the disc.
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The TOC is just data itself. It is not difficult for binary copy programs to simply copy the TOC without bothering to verify whether it is valid or not.

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track 1 start index happends to start on a lead out point. how can a program copy binary data when their isnt one any?
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Last time I checked, the leadout is data: just a bunch of 0s of a specified length. Again, this is only a matter of whether the software cares whether the layout is technically legal. There is nothing about it that can't be circumvented...with relative ease.
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Branroyal, how comes whenever anybody asks something similar to the above, it never gets answered?

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[d4n13l]

Here, look:
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On 2001-10-04 13:21:51, d4n13l wrote:
I understand what you are saying, in that it is good for consumers: At least you understand what we want . But, I fail to see what is to stop new technology being developed to copy a CS2 CD. You cannot possibly guarantee that nothing will ever be able to copy it, based on todays technology. You cant test it against tomorrows technology, which is what hinders all copy protection methods. Stating that Nero (or any other CD copy utility) fails to copy a CS2 CD, is frankly completly irrelevant. So too is any current hardware. Todays software and hardware is designed to copy yesterdays CDs. An analogy would be a wooden block with a square hole: Only a square block of wood will fit the hole. What you have done is introduced a triangular hole, so the square will no longer fit. Is it too much to expect that someone will make a triangular piece to fit?
It may be an ingenius method, but at the end of the day, its just a collection of bits. A collection of bits that can be imaged and reproduced, all that is needed is a new generation of hardware/software. Would you agree on that?
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You never had an answer for this. Why not? My suspisions are because you dont have an answer for it and I was right in what I said. When anybody starts talking about things like this, you ignore them and only seem to tell us about the gimicks.
You have said nothing to make me believe that your CS2 format will not be able to be cloned at some point in the future, which will inevitably happen will it not?

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