New Copy Protected CDs

[cplevel42]

A minor bump in the road.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/09/10/bus2.feat.cd.save/index.html

Will the protection be cracked? Yes, or course

[pixel]

It seems to me as if they are just making a CD Extra disc. Am I wrong?

On CD Extra discs you can only access the files on the CD Extra section, but not the original audio files (well, it just doesn't show up in the browser window).

You can easily access the original audio files by using the audio extractor in Nero.

The limited amount of copying the compressed files may just install info into the registry, easily accessible when used on another computer.

As I already said the "encryption" described just seems like the specification of CD Extra audio CDs.

[The village idiot]

Haven't had a problem riping CD extra to mp3 yet. So if that is all it is, won't slow all those evil music pirates down one bit (or is that byte)

[House de Kris]

As it is always said, if it can be played, it can be copied. The only truly effective copy preventer would be to create an unplayable disc. But, who would buy a CD that doesn't play on any machine?

The article states that protection software companies stand to make over a $100million. Who will pay for this? The consumers. Increasing costs is not the answer to help increase CD sales.

[pixel]

Haven't had a problem riping CD extra to mp3 yet. So if that is all it is, won't slow all those evil music pirates down one bit (or is that byte)

Well, I don't know, but it sure seems to me like a tweaked version of CD Extra from the specifications on the link posted.

[The village idiot]

You might be right. There may be some kind of evil DRM code embeded in the Extra part. Something that gets loaded when you put the disk in the drive. Or something that DRM scans for when a disk is put in the machine.

I'll tell you one thing. If I can't rip a title to play on my Archos Pukebox, I won't be buying anything from that artist again!!!!! And I'll make sure to tell them why!

Then you'll see what that flag in my avatar really means! :P

[pixel]

You might be right. There may be some kind of evil DRM code embeded in the Extra part. Something that gets loaded when you put the disk in the drive. Or something that DRM scans for when a disk is put in the machine.

I'll tell you one thing. If I can't rip a title to play on my Archos Pukebox, I won't be buying anything from that artist again!!!!! And I'll make sure to tell them why!

Then you'll see what that flag in my avatar really means! :P

Ah, but I have found a method to overcome DRM protection on audio files. It kinda long winded, but it worked. Some files have a limited amount of burn times, and only let you burn in media player.

Burn it in media player, then use whatever software you normally use to extract audio, and that is you, you can now create an MP3 or WMA from the audio CD without the problem of DRM protection if you want to put it on your Jukebox.

But remember there will also be the original files on the CD, so you can rip them as you conventionally do. (You do not know how compressed the CDExtra files may be.)

[cotton168]

Read the report and that is a yuck. However, it is an interesting fact that the Asian and European markets that have CDs with the bogus copyright protection on them are still on the decline. Wish the RIAA would get the hint. =p

[RabidDog]

it doesnt say the euro & asian copy protection is bogus, it simply says it has caused problems in car stereos..

[MOVIEGEEK]

pixel wrote:"Ah, but I have found a method to overcome DRM protection on audio files"
Me too it's called CamStudio.

[cplevel42]

MOVIEGEEK wrote:

Me too it's called CamStudio.

Yes, yes!!! But have you tried Camtastia Studio? It's CamStudio on steriods. See here. http://www.techsmith.com/products/studio/tour.asp

[beric3236]

I am wondering if Philips (the copyright owner) of the CD logo will allow these people to put the CD logo on the disk. My understanding is that the CD must be able to play in any cd player, if not they cany not use the CD logo. I have been known to be wrong tho. It would be a start tho. [/b]

[Romper]

I have a Dave Gahan "5 inch diameter round shiny thing", that has Copy Protection on it. No-where on the physical shiny object or on its casing or on the printed inserts does it display the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo.

It does say on the back of the cover that this "title" (I think - I don't have it with me) has copy protection and may not be compatible with all CD players.

I think that answers your question beric3236.

[LanEvo7]

Just go buy a Male to Male stereo cable and plug it into your line in/line out jacks. There, bypassed.

[cplevel42]

RabidDog Wrote:

it doesnt say the euro & asian copy protection is bogus, it simply says it has caused problems in car stereos..

Sounds BOGUS to me!!!

[House de Kris]

Just go buy a Male to Male stereo cable and plug it into your line in/line out jacks. There, bypassed.

Oh, but that is a terrible solution quality wise. Forget the computer since all copy protection is aimed at it. Make a near perfect digital copy with a standalone CD recorder. Then use the newly created un-copyprotected disc in a computer as you do with any other today.

[cplevel42]

House de Kris Wrote:

Oh, but that is a terrible solution quality wise. Forget the computer since all copy protection is aimed at it. Make a near perfect digital copy with a standalone CD recorder. Then use the newly created un-copyprotected disc in a computer as you do with any other today.

CORRECT! But another solution is to NOT buy any of those copy protected discs in the first place. I mean, really, we need to boycott the music industry if they are going to take away our "fair use" rights. Ripping individual songs off of CD to make compilation CDs is "fair use".
I don't want to have to burn a disc, just to rip out my favorite tunes. There is going to be a HUGE backlash against these new CDs. I won't buy them!!!

[The village idiot]

Maybe they need to be purchased and returned as defective when you can't rip them to your mp3 player, etc. That might make a larger statement.

[m2x]

We've had some of these protected CDs in England. When inserted into a PC CD/DVD drive, it freezes the PC, which forces you to rebootThe easiest way to get by this is to connect your stereo to your computer and record the CD through the line-in connection. Sound Forge is great for this.

[g_shocker182]

CDs are overpriced anyway. I would buy them only if they were in the under $5 range. I just can't afford $15 CDs. I mean, if you buy just 5 your already down $75. Thats hours on my job just for some CDs who only probably only have three good songs I like.

[flaninacupboard]

Well if the "protection" is as good as that on the recent kings of leon album newest radiohead and the last foo fighters album, no-one has anything to worry about. How do you rip these discs? simple, open isobuster, extract the tracks to .wav, done. I do this so i can put the discs on my jukebox mp3 player, i don't want the 32khz 64kbps mp3's, they suck. Actually, once i rip the .wavs i burn to a CDRW, then use my normal cd-ripping/encoding software as it picks up track and title info.

My room mate has had problems ripping these titles on an old creative cd burner, by my liteon cd burner does it no questions asked.

We've had some of these protected CDs in England. When inserted into a PC CD/DVD drive, it freezes the PC, which forces you to reboot.

What? They're not supposed to do that, there's something up with your computer. Plus, just turn auto-run off. Then it won't, well, automatically run.

[cplevel42]

Thanks for the info flaninacupboard. If I ever need to rip out some tracks from one of these new CDs, that someone bought for me (gift), I'll use isobuster.

OK, I may buy a few of these CDs, but it will be very limited, like maybe 3 per year. I buy alot of used CDs for about $3.00 a peice. I have gotten some good deals buying 100>200 quantity CD collections on Ebay.

[holistic]

Just go buy a Male to Male stereo cable and plug it into your line in/line out jacks. There, bypassed.

Oh, but that is a terrible solution quality wise. Forget the computer since all copy protection is aimed at it. Make a near perfect digital copy with a standalone CD recorder. Then use the newly created un-copyprotected disc in a computer as you do with any other today.

Terrible solution quality wise. ---- You are kidding me right !?

I'd rather listen to an analog copy of a CD (wave/RAW) then a MP3@192 anyday. MP3's are best for computers with shitty speakers and kids that have no clue as to what real music should sound like.

Totally agree with you LanEvo7 a simple solution.

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[MOVIEGEEK]

holistic wrote:"MP3's are best for computers with shitty speakers and kids that have no clue as to what real music should sound like. "
I'm 37 and the 192kbps MP3's I make sound pretty damn good on my home theater system.

But to each their own....

[flaninacupboard]

Yeah, an anlaogue recording would be much better than the included MP3's, but it's just a lot of hassle to do that if you want to (quite legitimately!) record the album onto an MP3 jukebox. Connect cd player to recorder, wait 50 minutes for it to record. Find track splits, and split them. encode each wave to an MP3. Rename and re-tag the MP3 files, and finally transfer them. when the alternative is click "rip to jukebox" i start to get irritated.....

And woe betide i make a CD-r to use in my car! i bet 99% of car break-ins are the RIAA. they steal your cd's from your car, and then sell the same disc back to you at your local record shop!! Damn peg-sellers!

[cotton168]

i bet 99% of car break-ins are the RIAA. they steal your cd's from your car, and then sell the same disc back to you at your local record shop!! Damn peg-sellers!

LOL flaninacupboard! It does make one think.

[Jukka]

Do you think copy protected CDs will survive?

After all MS and other PC and CE companies are trying to put PC based machines at the heart of the home as entertainment centres. If the discs don't play them this kills their market, something they won't like as they have spent $$$ developing products (some are even launched).

Just a thought.

[Coby Dax]

There's only one true weapon against piracy... a lower price.

They would rather spend millions of dollars on copy-protection schemes than to just lower the price.

If a new CD cost the same (or a dollar or so more) as a blank CD-R... Why go through all the trouble?

It defies logic.

[falken]

Just go buy a Male to Male stereo cable and plug it into your line in/line out jacks. There, bypassed.

You just violated the DMCA by telling me how to bypass this copy protection. You will be brought to justice! And the people selling these so called, "Male to Male stereo cables" will also be taken down!
RIAA forever! Customers never!

[Cobra]

Surely, if every person who was taken to court over downloading MP3s were to fight it, it would become uneconomical for the industry to do so.

After all, that new Bently looks awful nice. And they wouldn't be able to afford it in this week's colour if they lost their profit margins.

Gimps.

They want a fight with their customers, they've got one.

Round one. DING!

CobraDMX