Disney Disposable DVDs debut today

[The village idiot]

Lets just let Disney add to the already overflowing dumps around our country. People who buy these things are just as bad as those who sell them

Umm..... I want a few. Does that make me bad? Of course the only reason I want them is to try and get around the protection feature. Would that make me a criminal for defeating the protection built into the disk. Where would the DMCA and MPAA go with that kind of info? Seems it might be a bad idea to say how it is broken. Foo, you maybe better just say you broke it if you find a way. Don't want you to end up in court over a $7 disk! You could prolly report on the depth of the "infection", but I wouldn't give any details about possible ways to defeat this protection!

Well, actually, I would give details since I'm an anon being anyway. Seems like there would be a few places on Usenet to distribute that info.

[NightWing]

Its pretty sad when the disk itself is more intersting that the product on it.

[The village idiot]

Its pretty sad when the disk itself is more intersting that the product on it.

Yup!

[NightWing]

Looking at the other title on the back of the disk looked pretty poor on other avaiable titles in this form.

Or is that the real copy protection. Stuff you would not want in the first place.

[gmatov]

Nightwing,

I hope its an inert gas.

Just think, if it's a vaccuum, the halves of the clamshell would suck together. Us old farts can't even open "Childproof" medicine bottles. How we gonna overcome a case that the lid won't open on.

Just lost half the population as customers.

Foo,

How you gonna hold that thing down? A vaccuum chuck? Magnetic ain't gonna hack it, and I don't know about glue.

I think the laser focuses from the hub, where it is clamped, so if you do mill it down, don't cut the hub down.

I think better you should try abrading to see how deep the black goes. And, you might have to do it again in a few days, probably takes like 96 hours to be unreadable, turns blacker with more time.

Ah, well, we're havin' fun,anyway, just don't buy the damn things till someone says they can be backed up. Though I doubt Disney puts out all that much that I would buy.

Cheers,

George

[NightWing]

The inert gass makes more sense than a vaccum. Vaccum is a pain to make and do.

How about hit it with one of those cd antscratch device? If a surface thing it may be abble to burnish it off. But I think the layers is more than a skin layers deep.

I think the Chemical X substance is through the bottom layers with either plastic acting as the timers by how much O2 is being amited into the plastic or Chemical X has the timer built in.

Hum. If so clogging its "holes" with something to retard o2 into the plastic. Wait... There was a story about beer fungus changing the sound quality { The researcher had one too many! } of the cd changed. Could beer be the key? Well... Sorry cant try since I dont drink.

[gmatov]

I feel a porous bottom layer that "breathes" like a contact would diffuse the laser. It might be unreadable from the get-go.

Still think it is a surface treatment, similar to "scratch coating" your plastic eyeglass lenses.

Back to the abrasive test. If you sand off 2 thou and it's no longer black, surface coat. If it goes black again in 2 days, all the way through, but air only reacts with the surface.

We'll see.

Cheers,

George

[NightWing]

You could have a material that would allow light and still be porous. The pores can be small enough to allow for o2 molucules { like the membrane in a fuel cell } free passage but look like normal plastic so to speak. Basic physic and chemistry. Nothing really fancy.

I would die laughing if either "Beer" or "Hairspray" would slow or stop the reaction.

The main thing is I did not see any in the list that I would spend 7 on or even the 99 cent monday special at Alberson on.

On a side item. I wish Skippy would come out with Flaming Hot crunchy peanut butter! Just want to see if you were all awake!

[gmatov]

hey, you can go to your local tavern and get hot nuts, don't know why they don't grind them. Course you could just sprinkle a whole buncha red pepper flakes on regular, give it some time to work, think you'd get a kick.

[NightWing]

Actualy took part of a bag of Flaming Hot Cheetos ground them up and mixed them into a jar of Skippy. Wow that was something! I think they could sell it! Greate for these long how to fix somthing late night sessions.

[overloaded_ide]

Hey NightWing,
Keep a lid on it!

You know companies are always looking for a HOT new product to sell. OR ways to market an existing product to new clients/consumers.

You may have the next HOT new product idea, so keep a lid on it and find out how to market it. OR sell the product Idea to Skippy or Peter Pan! Protect it best you can first, those big companies often will steal idea's in a heart beat and try not to pay!

ANd when you make your own, keep a lid on that too, don't want bugs in it
You know what I mean, and HOT and Keep a lid on it were meant real and also joking

As for those disks!
We might all want to run out and buy a few CASES of the throw aways!
We all agree this is gonna be a flop! What might those COLLECTOR disks be worth unopened in 10 yrs? Disney most embarasing moment, collectors edition volume one!!
Get a case of the first movie released on those disks.
Preferrably UNOPENED case so you can be sure they have not been pin punched yet

[FOO]

Expiration date was 1 year unopened.

[Gees]

And what's the status now, FOO? Is it still playable?

[FOO]

Appears to be dead now. Noticeable dark stuff creeping in from the
outside edge

[Styro]

"Creeping in from the outside edge" - I think you may have an answer here. Maybe seal the outside hub with some spray/sealer and see if a new disc goes bad in the same timeframe.

Anyone thought of doing a patent search on EZ-D? Might be some info about the manufacture technique in the patent claim.

-- Styro

[FOO]

There are also dark streaks all over it. Sealing the edge won't get it.

There won't be any new disks. I'm only willing to sacrifice $7.00 for science.

[TBoneit]

Given that there are very few new rental titles I want to rent and thus a once every month or two suffices for me. I would buy them if the content was something I wanted to view just for the pleasure of not having to return the disk.

Not to hi-jack but: Recycle, I'm still burned up about manditory recycling instead of voluntary recycling. Thus as a form of protest when i shop if I have a choice of recylable packagng or non recyclable packaging I buy the latter. I don't buy newspapers now, they were getting boring anyway.

I create more waste now than before.

Anyway back on topic. I would buy with content I want. I only rent one a month now from the video store so if I can avoid the wear and tear and gas useage from returning the title, then great!

Maybe it is in part because I can remember from before rentals were available. I still have somewhere the original MagVid release of M*A*S*H

Then pseudo rentals... Buy new (pay more) and sell back or buy used (pay less) and sell back. Keep as long or short as you wanted. And that was an hour drive and closest at the time too.

Then Rental stores with hundreds of $ membership fees that were refunded in free, coupons so many per month, rentals.

Then credit card needed to join free memberships, and now only driver license needed memberships.

But there seems to be a form of implosion in rental locations where I am in central NJ. Most of them seem to have gone away. I can think of three within a 15 minute drive. 2 big chains and one little chain.

I do use netflix for older titles and things the chains do not carry, but then I also drive by the post office going to work so it isn't an imposition.

Cheers

[FOO]

If I were you I'd go ahead and start tossing all your garbage
in the street too. That will show those evil recycling people
that you can't be pushed around

[overloaded_ide]

Tboneit
Perhaps you meant that because you use netflix often?

Given that there are very few new rental titles I want to rent and thus a once every month or two suffices for me.

Otherwise I would have to say just BUY them. Ain't netflix like $15-$20 per month? So if you only want to rent 1 a month, it costs as much as buying it! Perhaps I did miss-read what you meant? Maybe you meant you get alot from Netflix so only rent rarely locally?

I'll tell ya all what people should do instead of buying this crap! GET A FREIND! Maybe Two!
There is absolutely NO LAW that says you have to keep a disk after you buy it!
SO, instead of throwing away your money, and $7 is alot to throw away, just buy the dang thing with a friend! If you can throw away $7, exactly what you are doing when the disk goes bad! You can throw away $10 each and have a disk that lasts! Two friends, $7 each! You can BUY a real disk! Only a few DVDs I have seen over $20, unless it is a set and I bet you won't get those on $7 trash disks!
OK you ever want to watch it agian just swap disks! This month you get to keep half the disks or a third, Friends keep the rest! Next month swap collections! Get more freinds do more swapping! If a few get lost or trashed, who cares you would have thrown that money in the trash anyway long before! As long as everyone has the disk 2 days each they break even on the deal!

[overloaded_ide]

Hey, here's another idea!

Anyone that makes so much money they don't care about trowing away $7 on a 2day disk probably needs tax deductions to offset that income!

Buy a DVD once a month or more, watch it for 2 days, then donate it to a charity. Maybe a Childrens hospital if correct type movie for kids!
Right off the Purchase on your taxes and do a good deed at the same time!

Still throwing away the money, but for a much better reason! AND you can deduct it too!

[TBoneit]

Foo, I recycle, Despit eloosing my front porch to recycling containers, and having stacks of Cardboard waiting until I have enough to cut to size, and tie for pickup. What I have against recycling being pushed by law is the same thing I have against anything being mandatory that isn't health related. What next a law mandating that before I can order a Big Mac or a Wendy's Baked Potato, I have to get on the scale to prove I'm within weight guidelines? I expect more lawsuits against fast food chains despite the loss of the last one.
I don't smoke but cigarette Nazi's get to me too. I can't stand the smell, a smoky room makes my eyes water, and my throat gets scratchy and I start sneezing. But if it is a legal area to smoke I don't go around complaining, I leave. One reason I only stay a few minutes at my one brothers house. But that is his choice.

Or maybe it is just those that know they are right and anyone not agreeing is wrong.

overloaded_ide:

You will notice I said few new titles. And local rental stores have few older, more than 5 years, titles.

I do netflix more than enough to make it pay. But for older titles and offbeat things and because I don't have to rush to view, even with 5 day policy, and return them.

Cheers

[Styro]

Just putting in my 2cents...

I am an avid recycler and supporter of laws requiring reasonable recycling. I believe every community and every developed country in the world should have the goal of recycling +90% of goods. If an item is manufactured that cannot be easily recycled and/or breakdown within 50 years then that item should not be produced. Corporations should make goods that fit the specs of easy recycling with no toxic waste and/or 50 year environmental breakdown, and should be fined if they make goods that don't conform. Consumers should be educated into examining goods and only purchasing goods that are recyclable and/or environmentally sound. Goods that need to have a life greater than 50 years should carry a premium cost that would go into the eventual recycling/disposal of the goods. I'm going to stop here as this topic should be continued in the off-topic foum.

As for rentals - I use Netflix almost exclusively. I'm on the the 3-at-a-time plan and with my close proximity to a distribution site I can do 3 a week with no problem. That is more than enough shows to watch. Especially when considering I might record 6 hours of TV per week. I almost never go to Blockbuster unless I have a coupon - I usually go to Hollywood Video for rentals that Netflix can't get to me. Also because HV usually has widescreen version whereas BB has full-frame.

-- Styro

[NightWing]

I know what will work! In the sign industy there is a substance called... Frog Juice. I am not kidding. That is what they call it! Its use to coat printed signes to keep moister out. Its clear and add nothing. it does work. Cant rember if its an acid based or not.

The idea of Disney colectable is not too far off. Next to Coke products like bottles trays signs, Disney stuff is pretty far up there. Even beats Starwar's stuff. But like anything the colectable has to be rare or unique so hope this dies quickly! For ten years if you can keep one beyond its year life then you may have something.

The plastic does sound like it is porus to the atmosphere. So any transparent coating on the disk that allows the laser to go through may work. But must not react with the polimer material of the disk.

PS: Been think of kung pow flavord peanutbutter also. Yep I am one of those type that will empty a hole pack of hot stuff on ONE slice of piza! Hey no pain no gain!

[TBoneit]

If I were you I'd go ahead and start tossing all your garbage
in the street too. That will show those evil recycling people
that you can't be pushed around

Foo, did you ever stop to think that recycling isn't totally thought out and free from its own problems?

My town has stopped recycling some things because they couldn't sell them for enough to make it pay.

Sure I could buy milk in plastic that rcycles, food in cans that recycle. But I happen to think the waste of potable water used to clean them out causes more problems than buying them in throwaway packaging. The country has been prolifigate in its wate of clean water resources. In many east coast states NJ, Long Island, Ny and others the building and paving over of water sheds continues and the rain just runs off and is wasted. I do not think it'll be too many years before where I live is in a state of constant drought warnings and restrictions. And having to wash out the recyclables does not hep that situation. Other parts of the country they have to drill deeper and deeper for water....

My take on it is that recycling contributes to other problems.

YMMV

[The village idiot]

OK. Here is the final thought about all things recycling related.

Life creates waste ------> We should all die!

[NightWing]

Tht is the problem with recycling. Newsprint is another examples. Recycling may both cost and be more poluting than just leaving an item along.

Untill we can break the materials down into atomic particles recycling will be as inefficent as making the orginal. Yep the revers of a "Father Christmas Machine".

Has anyone try any coating yet?

[Tommyknocker]

Could someone help me please? Why does a DVD without this special process cost more than one that has it? Why not just sell DVDs without the process for $7.00 and call it a day? You make your customers happy, the environment heaves a sigh of relief, and the world will make a little more since to me.

[gmatov]

TBone,

Don't pick on Foo.

He didn't start the recycle thing, I think it was Styro, which is a hell of a monicker for an avid recycler. There's more styrofoam used in this country than most anyplace else on Earth, and more of it than pillow wrap, you know, the plastic cushions, or bubble wrap.

You buy a Happymeal, styro container, you ask for a "doggie bag", styro container, you "supersize your Coke, styro container, you buy a vid card, BIG box, full of styro peanuts, half a bushel for a 4 X 6 card.

You go to Wallymart, buy a 2 inch long Matchbox car, comes on a 6 X 8 cardboard with a plastic bubble.

But the pipple are the ones expected to recycle. Well, it's understandable. We're all such crooked pipple that if it isn't on a card too big to hide under your t-shirt, we'd rob 'em blind. Just like we'd rob 'em blind if they didn't have those electronic chips in the junk they sell.

I don't know what the chip is worth, but if they can put one in a 25 cent item, then the chip costs nothing, or the item is worth nothing.

I bought a pair of shoes at a KMart, left the store, no prob, went to a local supermarket, beeped the detector, Mediaplay, beeped, a few other stores, beeped, made me feel like a crook.

Went back to Kmart, took my shoes off, slammed them on the desk, an asst mgr said "Oh, they probably ran the wrong shoe over the deactivator, it's in the left heel."

We'd rob 'em blind, guaranteed. The Waltons wouldn't be worth 50 billion bucks if we were able to get a small item in a small package. They'd need at least another dozen pipple per store to give you the product and march you to the checkout with it.

Ever buy a VCR or something, better, a TV, at Wallymart? They call over the loudspeaker that a potential thief may be coming through the front doors, and if he doesn't have a slip, nail his ass.

You want to make it a law that all the peons HAVE to recycle this crap. Oodles of cardboard, styro, plastic wrap, whatever. Gimme the damn thing in a plastic bag, I'l worry about slamming it into the doorjamb or something, don't need you to make it safe for me to take home.

And, what happened to the cardboard and paper recycling effort? The price went so low that the communities couldn't give the stuff away. So they have hundreds of tons sitting somewhere rotting down, and you are paying for keeping it there. When there was a market for used paper for cellulose insulation, everyone saved it. That market is gone, so it just piles up.

This is not aimed at FOO, more at Styro, who seems to want to make a law for everything except what he wants to do. A zillion laws on the books, and he wants more. "He who governs best, governs least."

Cheers,

George

[gmatov]

Tommy,

Because they hope you will either like it so much you will buy another throwaway, or you'll buy a "permanent" copy. Best, to them, if you just grab another throwaway every once in a while. "Hey, hon, we haven't seen this one for a month, let's buy it again."

I'd like to know what the diff is in mfg/distro costs. If it costs 2 bucks, press to retailer, and retailer sells it for 20, well, let's just get rid of the retailer, put 'em in gas stations ("What an antiquated word"), and just sell em like we would a pay per view movie, except we'll give 'em 2 days to watch instead of right now.

Cold day before I buy one.

Cheers,

George

[leebo]

I don't really worry about recycling. I figure those who are still around after I'm "recycled" can worry about it.