Disney Disposable DVDs debut today

[Styro]

Another question - is the reaction process dependant on a continuous flow of 'air' (not necessarily oxygen)? An experiment might be to take one of these dvds out of the case and quickly drop it into a container of oil (motor, cooking ?) and see if it changes after 48-72 hours. If the oil dip arrested the process it might be possible to seal the dvd (hubs) with a silicone sealant/caulk type of stuff.

This is all in the interest of scientific investigation; doing a backup of one of these discs would be >MUCH< simpler.

-- Styro

[ebenton]

Another question - is the reaction process dependant on a continuous flow of 'air' (not necessarily oxygen)? An experiment might be to take one of these dvds out of the case and quickly drop it into a container of oil (motor, cooking ?) and see if it changes after 48-72 hours. If the oil dip arrested the process it might be possible to seal the dvd (hubs) with a silicone sealant/caulk type of stuff.

This is all in the interest of scientific investigation; doing a backup of one of these discs would be >MUCH< simpler.

-- Styro

Another way to test this would be to open one up and quickly stick it in one of those "as-seen-on-TV" vacuum sealer bags and suck all of the air out of it and then watch it for a couple of days to see what happens.

[Styro]

Nah, those vacuum-seal bags leave too much air in the bag. I nice oil dip would do nicely.

Want to know another item that will kill this scheme? Vandals. Some kids with pins/blades piercing the boxes on the shelves (or careless stock workers). Stores get dozens/hundreds of immediate (within 24 hours of purchase) returns and the stores will tell Disney where to stick the discs.

-- Styro

[leebo]

Some kids with pins/blades piercing the boxes on the shelves (or careless stock workers). Stores get dozens/hundreds of immediate (within 24 hours of purchase) returns and the stores will tell Disney where to stick the discs.

-- Styro

Great idea!!!

Everybody, go and tell everyone you know about this great idea. Go far and wide. Post on every web forum you know of. Put flyers up on telephone poles and get the word out!

[Styro]

<blushes>

Thanks!

Actually Disney would probably just start putting out metal cases and demanding that stores put the items in security display cases. Then stores would suggest that $7 items being put in security display cases is absolutely nutz and again tell Disney where to stick the discs...

-- Styro
(re-reading the disclaimer)

[overloaded_ide]

Want to know another item that will kill this scheme? Vandals. Some kids with pins/blades piercing the boxes on the shelves (or careless stock workers). Stores get dozens/hundreds of immediate (within 24 hours of purchase) returns and the stores will tell Disney where to stick the discs.

That is my plan right there!

Careless stock workers! I love that one! Ever look closely at some of the things that come packed in cardboard boxes to the stores? All those little cuts in the packages
Cut cereal boxes? Sometimes they just trash em and you never see em, but they get alot of em!

Got finger nails? They better have a GOOD wrapper!

You guys better not be buying these things either! No-one but a moron or a hacker would buy such a thing! THAT is why the are making them. They have the stores under survalance and when you buy one they know you are a hacker/pirate. They have all your info if you used a credit card, and if not they just follow you home. After a week they will come bust you for backing up that disk and search the rest of your home for more disks. UNLESS you open the door like, duh ya huh wha.... Then they think you are the moron ones and will go away

Another thing that will kill this deal is pissed off parents! Let my kid buy one and the store WILL get it back, any arguement about it I'll sue the crap out of them for selling it to her in the first place!

You put candy, toys, or movies in front of a kid and you expect them to stand there reading a label if they have money?? No way, they say I want that movie or that toy and they buy it!

I just bought $80 in DVDs yesterday! Two Towers was $20, the rest was $5.88 plus tax. Why the H*ll would I pay $7 for trash??
Another thing, We opened Two Towers this morning, we decided NOT to watch it till the weekend and then we are going to watch Fellowship AND Two Towers together as a family! Wife doesn't have 6hrs to watch movies till then! Can't do that with those Toss aways.

Ya, there will probably be alot of NUT BALLS buying them for kids to watch on a trip! The same ones that are too stupid to buy a real disk at Wally World when they buy the OIL and ICE!

As for price, hey those same stores should just sell the REAL DVDS for $7 that Wallmart sells for $5.88. They would actually get more sales and make more money that way!

The whole problem is CONSUMERS ARE STUPID!
You let them call you a fat gluten pig and Baldy, then you run out and buy the BIG GRAB, BIG GULP, and spray paint for your head trying to hide the bald spot! All three products are a ripp off!

These same STUPID consumers are the ones that will buy these crap disks and think they are getting a good deal! EVERYTIME they want to watch the same movie! Duh....

[The Unknown]

Disposable dvd = Dumbass Ideal.

But that's true the brainwashed people will go out and buy them, becuase
They are brainwashed by all the bullshit in society.

And my Granparents always used to say(and they still do today) if Uncle Walt was still alive he'd be mad as hell with some of the things they do today, he is probably rolling over in his grave!

[overloaded_ide]

Grave? You mean Ice Chest?
He was frozen you know, to be brought back when technowledgy can bring him back from the freeze and cure him. Technically I think he's not really dead
I don't really know that much about that stuff though!

But you can bet your *$$ with the state that disney is in today they will never do it, even if they could! To many execs heads would roll, and all that Disney Greed ain't gonna give up those purse strings, even back to Walt Himself!

But yes, I am sure he is pissed over the whole thing if he knows about it, where ever he is!!!

[DivXExpert]

I don't know how true the cryogenetic bit is. Just a rumor really. Might be true.

[leebo]

He was frozen you know, to be brought back when technowledgy can bring him back from the freeze and cure him. Technically I think he's not really dead

I heard some air got in and made contact with the body and now he's all black.

[Cornucopia]

ROTFLMAO! :P

leebo, the irony is sweet.
just had to respond.

Scott

[NightWing]

I remember the last time this item was covered. Yep the fingers rough handling and normal human reaction will doom this product. Its not consumer proof. Or shoud say idiot proof.

Hum. A small box, DVD player with gloves could be built fill with an inert gas. Wonder if nitrogen would react to it. It would not be hard to do. If not nitrogen maybe Kripton, etc. Any inert gass would work. Any thing with a full shell.

Saw on their site that the stuff that does it is throughout the special plastic from GE. Asume its lets air in where norma disk material does not. Kind of like laser rot.

The title listed on the back would doom this product anyway!

Wait a minut! Wonder if ladies hairspray would work. Works great on slipping belts. Any ladies in the group would mind wasting a bit of hairspray to spray a disk for science?

[FOO]

Update:
I know you are all hanging on the edge of your seats about
this...
The official DVDHelp Forum Test Guinea Pig EZ-D
is now over 60 hours old and plays fine.
It has developed some strange discoloration patterns, however

[leebo]

I would expect they would make the disc actually last much longer than 48 hours to guarantee the 48 hours.

[NightWing]

Wonder what UV radiation would do to it. Or IR radiation?

[gmatov]

Doesn't seem feasible that the oxide or whatever is incorporated from GE's plants. That would mean it would have to be made, extruded or whatever, in an inert atmosphere, packaged, shipped, cut into disks, pressed, dyed, glued together, printed, and packaged, in the same inert atmosphere.

Unless, of course, it simply needs dipped in an activator of some kind after manufacture, then sealed in the vaccuum case.

Anyone want to waste 7 bucks to take some abrasive to a part of the disk to see if it still turns black all over, or just in the unabraded areas? That might indicate that it is a surface treatment, and a disk doctor kind of spinner might just remove the black oxide.

These things might last 2 weeks in Denver, with the thin air.

[Bob W]

Just store the discs in a container filled with nitrogen and they may last forever.

[NightWing]

The plastic is special from GE and I think they add secret ingredients into the mix at the plant. Could be wrong.

[gmatov]

That's possible. I think most plastics are sold to fab plants as pellets, melted there, and, in this case, pressed, molded into half disks. They could add X amount of the oxide or whatever at that time.

Hey, since the reflective layer is in the center of the disk, and since the new plastic almost surely costs more than the regular, let's clean the top of the disk and play it upside down!!!

Movie might run backwards, or upside down, but what the heck? Convert it!!!

( The smilies mean I am kidding. Don't jump on me.)

[NightWing]

How do we know its a vacum in there. Could be an inert gas.

I tkink the kids will finally kill it off.

[The village idiot]

Foo, sounds like it is almost time to try the disk dr (scratch dr) on it

Does anyone think the kind folks at Disney are reading this?

Hey Mickey, you worried yet?

[FOO]

I ain't got no disk dr.

[leebo]

I ain't got no disk dr.

Well, get on it dude! What did you buy that POS for if not to test ways of making it playable again?

[spiderman2k1]

It's sad to say, but I don't give it a month. Why? Because your average consumer is a MORON!!! Come on people. Why do you think Best Buy and all the others have their on Mail In Rebates? Because consumers never mail the stuff in. And along those lines, they NEVER read the signs. People are going to be returning these things left and right when they stop working. When you can buy new DVD's for $9.95 , what's up with $6.95 for 2 days? Even new releases are on sale for $15.95.

DVD's are even down to $14.95 LOL this thing will die faster then DIVX LOL

[The village idiot]

Some stores have a demo disk dr set up for you to play with. Maybe you have some place around you. Media play might. As well as Electronics Boutique. Possibly other record stores too.

[FOO]

I have a strong suspicion that the coating is on the INSIDE
of a thin outer layer of plastic.
I will start working on it when it fails.

I have a small milling machine. I will try taking a couple of mils off and see what I see

[The village idiot]

Yes a milling machine might work. You could cut a ramp from center to outside edge getting thinner as you procede. See how far down the coating goes.

[FOO]

Very difficult to do this at required precision without
attaching disk to solid block.

[NightWing]

Have seen DVD down below 10 dollars.

I think the stuff goes through the material with the material being porous to O2. This could be adjusted to allow the "rot" to be variable on time to set in. I would asume they have thought out the normal tricks. The only two they cant stop are DVD-R disk and inert gas.

[dvdguy]

Lets just let Disney add to the already overflowing dumps around our country. People who buy these things are just as bad as those who sell them