Best frame serving program.

[GG028]

Which program do u guys use to frame serve??

I'm using VirtualDub but it crashes when the file is too big, so I'm looking for another one.......

[Tommyknocker]

I use Virtual Dub to TMPGEnc and Video Studio 6 to TMPGEnc via a Ulead video server.

[Gees]

What version of VirtualDub are you using? It works well for a lot of people. Maybe you have an older version or improper setup.

I could never get Vdub Mod to run on my system, but VDub 1.4.8 is very stable for me and takes any file size.

[Vejita-sama]

Avisynth, great program. It uses script files so some people tend to shy away from it, but it's actually very easy to use and very very powerful. You can frameserve to either CCE or TMPGenc.

[Ejoc]

AVISynth hands down the most powerful, and faster then Virtual Dub, even when using Virtual Dub Filters

[GG028]

I tried with VirtualDub 1.5.4 and 1.5.4.1 (vdub mod), and they both crash if the file is too big (like a movie). They crash a few secs after I start encoding the vdr file on TMPG. I bumped both vdub and tmpg's priorities but it doesn't help.


So u guys think avisynth is a good choice.... Ok but I want to frame serve it with a permanent subtitle (I use vob sub's plugin, wich is really easy with vdub). Is that possible with avisynth? Cuz I don't really know how to use avisynth.... how can I frame serve an mpeg2 (with a permanent sub) to TMPG using avisynth?


Thanks in advance.

[Ejoc]

LoadPlugin("MPEG2dec3.dll")

LoadVirtualDubPlugin("c:\program files\dvd\vd\plugins\vobsub_vd.vdf","vobsub",1)

MPEG2source(".d2v")

ConvertToRGB32()

vobsub("vts_01_0")

[sterno]

LoadPlugin("MPEG2dec3.dll")

LoadVirtualDubPlugin("c:\program files\dvd\vd\plugins\vobsub_vd.vdf","vobsub",1)

MPEG2source(".d2v")

ConvertToRGB32()

vobsub("vts_01_0")

You don't need to use the VirtualDub plugin, vobsub's DLL works as a native avisynth plugin. With a standard vobsub installation you can do something like:

LoadPlugin("C:\winnt\system32\vobsub.dll")

instead of loading a VirtualDub plugin. The vobsub function is exactly the same, but it can work with both YUV and RGB instead of just RGB.

[tweedledee]

Can I just ask a question of either of the last 2 posts, who seem very cluey about V-dub? If I want to save "as avi" and DON'T want a large file,how do I go about it? ( please keep it simple)
BTW I've tried the video compession but with crap results. If you are going to recommend a plug-in please give details about installing. Thanks

[ZippyP.]

If I want to save "as avi" and DON'T want a large file,how do I go about it?

Here's a guide to frameserving with Vdub, no large intermediate file needed.

[FOO]

You want to save an AVI with perfect quality but no size
Well I want my car to get 500 mpg.

If you save with no compression it will be unnecessarily large
What you need to do is use a good compressor with settings
such that the size is minimized and the quality is tolerable.

The huffyuv codec loses NO quality and reduces size to about 1/3
The PicVideo codec has compression settings and reduces the size
lots more. #18 or above is good.

Why do you want the AVI ? If you will process it later you can avoid
saving completely by Frameserving to the next processing step.

[tweedledee]

You want to save an AVI with perfect quality but no size
Well I want my car to get 500 mpg.

Hey, I didn't say I wanted to save with "perfect" quality, I understand that smaller files reduce quality. I just looking for a " reasonable" quality.

[tweedledee]

Thanks foo for the huffy codec. I have that but I'm struggling to know what to do with it.
it may seem simple to you, but it's a mystery to me.

[Ejoc]

You don't need to use the VirtualDub plugin, vobsub's DLL works as a native avisynth plugin. With a standard vobsub installation you can do something like:

LoadPlugin("C:\winnt\system32\vobsub.dll")

instead of loading a VirtualDub plugin. The vobsub function is exactly the same, but it can work with both YUV and RGB instead of just RGB.

Well slap me silly and call me Susan, thanks. I wonder if this will improve encoding time.

Corse TMPGEnc still wants it in RGB... Time to break the stop watch out, and do some testing

[FOO]

Install huffyuv
In vdub: Video -> Compression -> Pick your compression - Save AVI

[Ejoc]

Hmm sterno, didnt work. Do you do this w/ AVISynth 2.5 or 2.0 ? I use 2.5 and it says it isnt for version 2.5...

[Ejoc]

Went over to doom9, for avisynth 2.5 you need VSFilter.

LoadPlugin("VSFilter.dll")
...
vobsub("vts_01_0")

[GG028]

Ok I was going to try it but I realized I dunno where to put that code! Sorry for the stupid question but I've never used avi synth (separated) b4 since I could do everything with vdub.... so what exactly do I have to do with that code? How do I frame serve from avi synth to TMPG??

[Ejoc]

make a text file w/ the extension AVS, put the lines in there. Then just open the AVS file.

[GG028]

Ok I made the .avs file with the vobsub code in it. Now I opened TMPG, loaded the movie I want to encode, configured the settings, and I'm rdy to encode. So how do I add that avi synth script I made?

[Ejoc]

Load that as your Video Source.

[GG028]

I don't get it man, plz explain what exactly I have to do.

I loaded that .avs file as my source file.... now what?

[Ejoc]

Uh... encode it like you normally would.

[tweedledee]

HI EJOC, I'm following this thread too and find it hard to grasp. You obviously know what you are talking about, but can you dumb it down a bit for us beginners?

[Ejoc]

To frame serve with AVISynth you create script files, they have the extension .avs Here's an example avs script, we will name the file DaMovie.avs.

LoadPlugin("MPEG2dec3.dll")

LoadVirtualDubPlugin("c:\program files\dvd\vd\plugins\vobsub_vd.vdf","vobsub",1)

MPEG2source("DaMovie.d2v")

ConvertToRGB32()

vobsub("vts_01_0")

Ok, things to point out:
- You have to have downloaded the MPEG2dec3.dll plugin http://www.avisynth.org/~warpenterprises/
- This assumes you used DVD2AVI to create the .d2v and wav files.
- You have VobSub installed, and ran VobSub configure to get the subs.

If you double click DaMovie.avs, WMP should open and begin to play the movie, with the subtitles in it. Note there will be no sound, not a problem in TMPGEnc.

Run TMPGEnc, use the wizard if thats what you normally do. When it asks for the video source use DaMovie.avs and DaMovie.wav as the audio source. Continue thru the wizard as you would normally and encode it to MPEG-1/MPEG-2

[tweedledee]

Cheers, I'm going to try that. BTW I was in the NAPA valley area last year, I could easily live there.

[GG028]

Sorry, I forgot to mention my source file is an avi. DVD2AVI won't open it, I guess I can't use avi synth then.....

[Ejoc]

Check out the avisynth website.

Use:
AVISource("Filename.avi")

[GG028]

Ok I've read your post and avi synth's guides and I'm starting to like avi synth.... but I have 2 problems:


1) This vob sub code doesn't work, it says "VirtualDubFilterProxy: error calling satrtProc":

LoadVirtualDubPlugin("F:\VirtualDub\plugins\vobsub_vd.vdf","vobsub",1)
It says

When I use this one, it works but the subs won't show on the encoded video:

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\vobsub.dll")

2) How do I create a wav file with DVD2AVI? It creates a .mpa sound file instead.....




Thanks ahead of time.

[Ejoc]

Since the AVI has the audio imbeded in it, you dont need to save the audio out as a wav. So when you are in TMPGEnc and load the video source avs file, it will automaticly place it in the audio source as well. TMPGEnc can also read the .avi or .mpa as valid audio source(just so you know).

As far as the error w/ the VobSub filter, Im not too sure. is it giving you the error on the line with the LoadVirtualDubPlugin() or when you call it with vobsub()? It should give you the line with the error on it.

What version of AVISynth are you using? I use 2.5.2, you can also get the VSFilter.dll, which is the vobsub plugin for AVISynth 2.5.2, with that you would use:

LoadPlugin("VSFilter.dll")
...
vobsub("subfilenoextension")

And what format are the subtitles in? There are other ways of adding subtitles if they are in different formats with AVISynth.