how to make a multiangle dvd?

[v1p0n3]

hello
i have 2 diferent angles from one concert and i'd like to make a dvd with both angles that can be switched when we want during the show, but i'm completly lost about how to do that.
anyone can give me some help about which programs to use, how to encode the videos etc..?

thx

[Saber]

You could try to compress it with DVD2One, the 'full disk' option keeps the entire dvd-structure intact (i.e. menu's, subtitles and such) thus give's you an 'exact' copy of the originall disk though with slightly reduced videoquality, hardly noticable on most tv-sets (audio wont be changed!). Might be worth a try, wont require any 'deep' software knowledge.

"Variable bitrate" provide's for the best result in most case's by the way

b.t.w.
i assumed you'd still have the original source (DVD), otherwise the above information wont be of any use to you, sorry.

[v1p0n3]

i don't want to rip a dvd
i want to make a dvd. i have 2 tapes in vhs, that i have captured to my computer
now i want to crete a dvd with both angles..understand?

[FOO]

I think you have to get Scenarist for that

[v1p0n3]

can anyone tell me a bit more.. please?

[radkid]

I sense some rudeness and frustration.

I suggest you search this forum and the internet for information on multiangle dvds, there is never one simple answer.

[Saber]

i don't want to rip a dvd
i want to make a dvd. i have 2 tapes in vhs, that i have captured to my computer
now i want to crete a dvd with both angles..understand?

Relax mate, seek and thou will find

[mazinz]

i know of only 2 apps that can do that-- dvd maestro is one and im sure its very safe to say Sonic Scenarist can do it too.

pretty much in a nutshell you have a line where you drop your main video, under this you will see some video sublines for the one clip you just dropped in, their is where you can drop your mutliangle version, where ever you want.

When you make your menus, you just use the multiangle button/switch and tell it which video stream it refers to, thats pretty much it

[Vejita-sama]

DVD Maestro and Scenarist are the only programs I know of that can author multi-angle DVDs. Since both of them cost a fair amount (~$35k) you might want to check to see if Adobe Encore can do it (it does everything else).

Otherwise you're pretty much out of luck.

[v1p0n3]

a multiangle video can be changed while it's playing, right? or i have to go back to the menu and choose the angle i want?!?

[FOO]

There is of course the hard way. (free)
I suspect that with Ifoedit, Vobedit, and a reference movie
with angles, It could be done.
You would of course have to be a very persistent maniac.

[adam]

Yes when playing a multiangle scene you can switch between the angles fairly seamlessly by hitting the angle button on your remote.

If your authoring software doesn't support multi angle authoring then you are out of luck.

[Craig Tucker]

I have never actually seen a multi-angle DVD, but I believe (from what I have been told) that this technique is occasionally used on some DVD's with a more mature discerning audience

[LabanB]

Such as Die Hard with Bruce Willis?

Bill Lowery

[FOO]

I have seen a couple with only a very few places
where the video was slightly different. I couldnt
understand at the time what the point was since the
angles were so similar.

The star wars DVDs have multiple angles in the beginning text
scrolling through space, but that's just all the different languages
interleaved about 1 second each. Seems like they could have done that
with different PGCs . I never tried to hit the angle button while that was
happening.

So who knows of a movie where it works like we think it should ?
During a scene you hit the angle button and you get a different camera
view.

[freestyler]

I have never actually seen a multi-angle DVD, but I believe (from what I have been told) that this technique is occasionally used on some DVD's with a more mature discerning audience

Multi-angle porn rocks 8)

[Vejita-sama]

Well besides porn there are martial arts and other sporting events that I've seen with multiple angles. I'm fairly certain that The Matrix has multiple angles and damn near everyone owns that.

[Craig Tucker]

Such as Die Hard with Bruce Willis?

Bill Lowery

No, not really what I was thinking of

[v1p0n3]

i'm using DVDmaestro now
but i'm getting an error when i add the 2nd angle to the time line
i get a msg that says: number of GOPs in Angle Block are not identical.
anyone knows something about this and can help?
both videos as the same length

thx

[adam]

Not sure if this will solve your problem or not but multi angle footage must be encoded with closed GOPs. Also, obviously you must use the same sized GOPs.

[Cornucopia]

Let me tell you what I know about Multiangle (and it's a good amount, since I do it alot for a couple of Federal clients in particular)...

THese are the apps that can do multiangle:
Scenarist (9 angles)
Spruce Maestro (9 angles)
Spruce Conductor (2 angles)
Sonic Creator (High End Mac-9 angles)
Pinnacle Impression DVD Pro (2 angles)
Apple DVD Studio PRo (Mac-9 angles)

I think ReelDVD might be able to (if so, 2 angles)?
I guess you could say IFOEdit does, but who'd wanna work that way.

To have the app allow multiangle, you must do these thing during encoding:

1. CLOSED GOPS ONLY!
2. DO NOT HAVE "Scene Change Detect" (i.e. all Gops should be same length and structure)
3. All angles at same bitrate (whether VBR or CBR)
4. Max bitrate is 8 Mbps for 2-4, 7.8? for 5-8, and 7.3? for 9 angles
5. All segments/titles that are multiangled must start at same time and be of same length.
6. VTS's that have multiangles must have the same # of additional angled titles throughout (No 2 angle followed by 3 angle within same VTS)
7. Remember that multiple angles doubles, triples, etc the space used. Set bitrate accordingly!

If done correctly (and I usually use a TMPGEnc template so it doesn't mess up), you should be able to live switch between them seamlessly (with a slight 1/2-2 sec delay from button push to execution).

Uses for Multiangle:
1. Porn, obviously. You do realize that Porn is often cutting-edge techwise.
2. Sports, cool!
3. Martial arts, yes!
4. Instructional videos
5. Flyovers with maps (1 of my clients)
6. Concert Music Video --Check out King Crimson!!!
7. FUTURE USE--Stereoscopic 3d Video (one of my ideas, also happens to be in the works at Matsushita/Panasonic)!!!
8. FUTURE USE--Hi-Def video (also Panasonic)!!!
9. "Clue"-type mystery shows.

I'm sure there are others.

HTH,
Scott

[dcsos]

The real annoying thing about multiangle DVD's is that the switch is
worse in all cases than a poorly hidden layer break.

If the multangle technology actually worked well, you'd see some titles using it.
I tried to do it on creator but as the previous poster pointed out..there's many hoops to go thru

The most important being

YOU CANNOT SWITCH if all the tracks do not match perfectly in length, and bitrate exactly....

[dcsos]

By the way SARAH McLachlin's concert film has one song in multiangle if you wanna look at a good one
MOONLIGHT i think its called...about $9.99 these days

[Vejita-sama]

dcsos - multiple angles allow you to switch back and forth from the same audio/runtime in reel time. That's what nice about them. It might be a pain to author, but that's not really a consideration for the viewer

Layerbreaks and multiple PGC just don't act the same way as multiple angles.

[Cornucopia]

I hope nobody misunderstood me when I was talking about seamlessness and delay. Here is a clarification:

Video Angle A-
A1|A2|A3|A4|A5|A6|A7|A8|A9

Video Angle B-
B1|B2|B3|B4|B5|B6|B7|B8|B9

If I push the button to switch from A->B at time A3, what I'll get onscreen will usually look like:

A1|A2|A3|A4|A5|B6|B7|B8|B9

NOT
A1|A2|A3|_(freeze)_|_(freeze)_|B6|B7|B8|B9

...Just to make sure.

Of course, if that Stereo3d/HiDef thing ever comes to market, it shoulld also be able to switch right at time A3 like you wish it could. 8)

Scott

[chazzie]

Also, it's possible to select whether you want the user to be able to switch streams whilst playing the title. Star Wars Ep 1 uses multiangles (reg 2) but you cannot change them duing playback. And the only scene in SW1 that has the multiangle is the first scene (with the scrolling texts) that are availible in Swedish, Norwegean, Finnish, Danish, Icelandic and English.

So there are other uses as well, but I suppose Porn and Concerts are the biggest areas of use. Check out the Metallica DVD, Garage. Inc, I think, it has like 4-5 songs where you can change angle and watch any individual in the band... cool.

[v1p0n3]

Concerts are the biggest areas of use. Check out the Metallica DVD, Garage. Inc, I think, it has like 4-5 songs where you can change angle and watch any individual in the band... cool.

it's S&M